I didn't really know anything about Petro and now that I see his stats he is a little iffy to me.
i see petro's stats now:
5 points and 2.9 rebounds per game. wow.
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what do all you petro lovers estimate he will average in the nba next year? i think malik rose at 6-7 would be a more productive center than petro at this point. just cuz hes a 7 footer doesnt make him so great.
I didn't really know anything about Petro and now that I see his stats he is a little iffy to me.
I don't know, Aguirre can transform him into something very special. He is a kid and he has enourmous potential. If he is good for us right away, he might be able to start for us.Originally Posted by a knick fan
The thing in Europe is many players don't get minutes. Martynas (long last name i can't remember) Is thought to being a top 3 pick in the draft even though he's not dominating. The draft is about potential and Petro has that. Remember, in Europe the veterans get the most followed by NBA draft snub college students, then young guys.i tried looking at his stats in europe, and i couldnt make them out because they were in a foreign language (so maybe someone can get firsthand info and confirm them), but from what i could tell hes not doing much in europe. if he cant dominate in europe, whats he gonna do here.
But they don't get any time. And there is no way Darko can be a bust already. The guy gets garbage minutes in usual Piston blow outs. He is still a very special player. He just needs time and veteran coaches such as Larry Brown usually don't play rookies. What about big men here? Michael Olowokandi was drafted 1st he put up incredible numbers and did he live up to expectations? What about Kwame Brown, Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler. Haven't they been dissapointing to a certain degree?darko milicic. what about that guy from greece sofokolis shorstiantis or something, the "baby shaq" - whats he done? we shouldnt get so enamored with big men who we know nothing about and cant even dominate in europe.
When will Darko actually be able to play quality minutes? Will Kwame stop complaining and fighting and play like a 1st draft pick? Can Curry and Chandler lead their team into the playoffs in the up coming years??? So many questions about these young people. I think it's better to take a matured college player
First yes if you look at Petro's stats they are less than incredible but he his height, wingspan, athleticism/ability to run the court is outrageous. He is young yes, and does need time to develop, but say he goes somewhere else and they let him develop...they have the possibility of getting a future star and we look like the idiots for not taking a chance...
If you ever get to see him play or watch highlights, hes an amazing athlete especially for his size. remember stats dont mean everything if he can stand in the middle, defend, and block shots we have the rest of our core who can put in the numbers. In no way is he going to be dominant his first year or maybe even two but its a risk worth taking....i was reading a report on him and they said he has the shooting touch and ability if given the minutes to develop into a great offensive game, just no body works with him and teaches him...i think we have those teachers...look at Sweets development. You also have to acknowledge that this kid played for the under 18 national team at 16 years old, its remarkable. yes he only is 18 but that just means he has more upside...and i dont see anyone in the draft that can come right on the court from college and make a dominant presence, starting one at that in the draft so far...unless its for the Hawks, Orleans or Bobcats..
I dont think we should rely on him to be our savior, and i still believe we should trade Kurt or someone for a starting center, its just to gain a youth that could turn out to be great as backup...
by the way heres Petros average so far....
he can improve given more minutes...and if u actually look at some of the bigman around the league that get paid more and play the same amount of minutes...he beats them stats wise and of course age wise aswell...
and Darko? well thats a rough statement...this kid is actually good. we just dont see it because Larry Brown has a history of not playing rookies...OLYMPICS COMES TO MIND!!! He doesnt play them and he doesnt play Darko. Look at his stats, in two seasons hes only played 61 games. for an average of 5.3 minutes!!! can you tell how good someone is in that? especially a rookie? Impossible...
What are you doing...playing not to lose or playing to win? Yes, there's a big difference. Those times you give up on a high schooler, you are possibly missing out on a Kobe, Tracy, KG, Amare etc. Not drafting overseas, you are missing out on a Dirk, Peja, Sabonis, Kirilenko etc. We should draft on potential not just playing it safe. Even the "safe" college players sometimes turn out as busts. I'll give you a good one. Olowokandi was #1 in the draft and averaged 22.2ppg 11.2rpg 2.9bpg Those are some solid numbers right there, but look what he turned out to be. He was taken over Dirk Nowitzki. Also Kwame Brown was taken over Pau Gasol. The safe college players were all taken over Amare and he was the rookie of the year. With the Knicks playing it safe, they can be missing out on the next big thing. Let's draft on potential and not play it safe. Besides even if we don't, Tim Thomas and Penny Hardaway's 30 million dollars worth of expiring contracts can get us a good player. Look at this, the Hornets traded Bron Davis for about 14 million or so, now imagine 30. I think we can get some yonug talent or at the very least lock up our own.Originally Posted by H20 OFFdaHizZLe
First off, nbadraft.net doesn't try to predict who's gonna get drafted where. Not right now, at least. They usually don't bring out the mocks until the season is over. It's just that any team can finish with a decent, good or bad record. We still have a chance to land a pick in the top 5 if we were to lose every single game from here on out. But realistically, we'll get the #7 at the highest and 10 at the lowest. And the draft has become like this: lottery teams draft on 75% potential and 25% team needs. Teams after that go best avaiable unless they really like someone, hence a trade up or down for that player. The the second round is more or less good college players that have a chance to make it in the league, like Chris Duhon or Royal Ivey. I think we got a steal w/ Ariza. I think we go big w/ Petro, then w/ the Suns' pick (though San Antonio) we draft best available big man, then in the second round, draft a defensive-minded combo guard or swingman like Ishmail Muhammad or BJ Elder. In case anyone's really worrying about who's gonna go where, calm down for now. The draft is still three months away. Wait until the announcement of the lottery order. The one thing I liked about the trades was Isiah got a couple picks. Granted, they're gonna be low from here on out, and we won't have another first rounder until 2007, but at least he tried, even though our cap situation is even worse now than it was when we had Nazr, Moochie and Vin. Sadly, the first round is starting to go to youth. Teams are trying to rebuild through the draft, which in the NBA, is hard. Look at atlanta. Even though they screwed themselves over, they still have a chance to land Bogut or Martynas, whichever they like, to give themselves a potential top 5 frontline in Josh Smith, Al Harrington and the Ute Andrew Bogut. I'm fine w/ Petro. We need a defensive-minded center to block the shots of players that Steph and Jamal let by. I'm already making my predictions on the draft, but I'll make a new topic for that. Peace, for now.
i dunno, ive never seen petro play, so i have no idea how physically gifted he is. i do think that isiah has a good eye for talent though (his gm skills are pathetic, he should become a head scout instead), so if he liked what he saw when he went to see petro play, then i guess he should take him.
but im just saying, be realistic, dont expect petro to do much for the next few years. we will only start to benefit from drafting him maybe near the ened of his rookie contract.
and mark aguire - whats so great about him? why are people so high on him? he doesnt seem any different than any other coach for big men in the league. hes not going to do anything for petro, it will all be on petro himself - if he works hard and improves his strength, shooting, and overall game. a coach can only do so much.
i think people well atleast for myself, know Mark Aguirre. No not personally but who he was when he was a player (a big man). In his career he averaged 20 ppg, was an allstar 3 times, and has 2 world championship rings. He was an incredible offensive specialist...thats why im high on him. He knows how to get it done in the NBA and any knowledge he can pass down as a coach must be good. ex Mohammed and Sweetney who both acknowledge him for teaching them their newest moves and improvement...
I dont understand why GKnick is starting his own topic for that..im pretty sure this is the Offical Draft Thread...and the reason were "worrying" about who we are going to take at the moment...is because that WAS the question. We are in here to answer who we think or should take...
Ill have to agree on one thing though, nbadraft.net is not 100% correct nor will it be, hence the "mock draft" title. its not who or what each team needs its just who will probably go in those spots..the number not the team...
now I am cheering for Petro to get picked in the draft by us, and i have a good feeling he will...but i dont want everyone to think im just picking him and not noticing his faults...if i had choice between him and Bogut ofcourse id pick Bogut (even tho i think hes the next Chris Mihm)...
He has a lot of positives though. Petro i mean...His height, his athleticism, his age, his wing span and his ability to become a great offensive/defensive player...
but I have to acknowledge his faults aswell, he has the potential to be a great shot blocker but is NOT. he has the potential to be a great scorer but is NOT yet atleast (i think with coaching and learning and maturing itll come along, plus more mins. he only avgs 13 or so) and he is said to NOT be focused all the time (which ive never witnessed watching him play granted ive only seen him play a couple times)...
Does he have more positives then negatives? YES
Does he need a lot of work? YES
Will Isiah pick him though? Probably
I dont know. Im going to stick with
C Johan Petro
C Channing Frye
G BJ Elder
Wow, I had never seen Petro before and I thought he was whiteOriginally Posted by Knicker Bocker
That was an incredible dunk but I don't know if you can judge potential on one play. Although he got up pretty good.
YES!!! thank you so very much. I dled that clip a while back after seeing him play on that European highlight show, and I sadly lost that clip...THANK YOU!
i know one play doesnt make somebody, but one play does break someone right? (fred weis)...but yea everyone get a good look man, thats my pick still...breath in the potential...
Yah does anyone have any videos of Wies. I never really got to see that guy play. Anyone?Originally Posted by NYKnicks15
he never played in the nba....he was drafted, played in the olympics got dunked on by Vince Carter, reported to training camp for the Knicks then decided not to play in America yet..
I know what happened to him and everything but I wanted to see some clips.
Wow, I didn't know that was Weis who Carter dunked on.