ANY TRADE IDEAS THAT MIGHT HELP THE KNICKS NEXT YEAR

[Da_Knick_Fan]

NYK Trades:
Tim Thomas
Either Jermaine Jackson Or Future Draft Pick

LAL Trades:
Lamar Odom
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NYK Trades:
Kurt Thomas
Jackie Butler And/Or Bruno Sundov

LAC Trades:
Elton Brand
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NYK Trades:
Malik Rose

POR Trades:
Darius Miles
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Starting 5

C: Drafted Center (Chris Taft)
PF: Elton Brand
SF: Lamar Odom
SG: Darius Miles
PG: Stephon Marbury

6: Jamal Crawford
7: Allan Houston
8: Penny Hardaway
9: Mo Taylor
10: Jerome Williams
11: Mike Sweetney
12: Trevor Ariza

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Other possible trades:

*3-Way

NYK Trade:
Penny Hardaway
Mo Taylor

ATL Trade:
Al Harrington
Obinna Ekezie
Tom Gugliotta

MN Trade:
Wally Szczerbiak
Troy Hudson

NYK Gets:
Al Harrington
Troy Hudson

ATL Gets:
Mo Taylor
Wally Szczerbiak

MN Gets:
Penny Hardaway
Tom Gugliotta
Obinna Ekezie
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2-Way

WAS Trade:
Kwame Brown

NYK Trades:
Jerome Williams
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Knicks Should Also Try to Either Sign or Workout a Sign and Trade
For:

Bonzi Wells
Stromile Swift
Eddy Curry
Tyson Chandeler
Ron Artest
Theo Ratliff




*Note: In Trades stated salaries might not match, may have to be adjusted.

[mrj18]

Beleive me, I would welcome those trades, I just don't think they will happen. Some of them seem a bit unrealistic.

[CharlesO#34]

I didn't know in which tred to post so here it is in here also:

Roster:
PG: Marbury/ Crawford/ Jackson
SG: Crawford/ Houston/ Hardaway
SF: T.Thomas/ Ariza/ Williams
PF: Sweetney/ Rose / Taylor/ Williams
C: K.Thomas/ Sundov/ Butler/ Rose

1. Don’t sign up our FA Sundov, Jackson, Butler

1st Trade:

Outgoing:
NYK
Jamal Crawford
Tim Thomas
Kurt Thomas
NOH
Jamaal Malgoire
George Lynch
Chris Andersen
David West
PHI
Chris Webber


Incoming:
NYK
Jamaal Malgoire
Chris Webber
NOH
Tim Thomas

PHI
Jamal Crawford
Kurt Thomas
Chris Andersen
George Lynch
David West

Why:
1. This Trade works financially
2. NYK get what NYK need: inside presence in All Star Center and All Star PF, and C-Webb’s versatility and one more star to the roster. NY sending one of expiring contracts to NOH who are in rebuilding mode and get young veteran who must to play for next contract. NOH sending All-Star center who isn’t happy in NO a restricted FA whom they can’t sign in C. Andersen and get cap relief in outgoing contracts of G. Lynch and D. West. PHI finding solution for unsuccessful experiment with C-Webb and AI. They unload C-Webb’s contract and get solid PG in Crawford so AI can play SG, defensive PF who can play pick’n’roll with AI in KT, a backup center and pf in C. Andersen, veteran backup for Iguodala who has 1 year left on his contract and young PF in D. West.

Roster:
PG: Marbury/
SG: Houston/ Hardaway
SF: Ariza/ Williams
PF: Webber/ Sweetney/ Rose / Taylor/ Williams
C: Malgoire / Rose

2nd Trade

Outgoing:
NYK:
Malik Rose
Maurice Taylor

MEM:
James Posey
Dahntay Jones
ORL:
Kelvin Cato

Incoming:
NYK:
James Posey
Dahntay Jones
Kelvin Cato
MEM:
Malik Rose
ORL:
Maurice Taylor

Why:
1. This trade works financially, but it is little optimistic. But purpose of this trade is to fill holes in roster and to get some cap relief
2. NYK get Starting SF and backup C and SG/PG and unloads heavy contracts. Memphis get backup PF (there won’t be Stromile there any more) and let backup SF to go and ORL get another soft PF (they already have this in Pat Garrity and this is the biggest hole in this trade)

Roster:
PG: Marbury/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Houston/ Hardaway
SF: James Posey / Ariza/ Williams
PF: Webber/ Sweetney/ Williams
C: Malgoire / Kelvin Cato

DRAFT:
Scenario 1 - Projects
8th pick: Geerald Green
30th pick Erazem Lorbek
54th pick Milan Majstorovic
Roster:
PG: Marbury/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Houston/ Geerald Green/ Hardaway
SF: James Posey / Ariza/ Williams/ Milan Majstorovic
PF: Webber/ Sweetney/ Erazem Lorbek
C: Malgoire / Kelvin Cato

Scenario 2
8th pick: Chris Taft
30th pick Channing Frye
54th pick Marcelo Huertas

Roster:
PG: Marbury/ Marcelo Huertas / Dahntay Jones
SG: Houston/ Hardaway/ Dahntay Jones
SF: James Posey / Ariza/ Williams
PF: Webber/ Sweetney/ Channing Frye
C: Malgoire / Chris Taft / Channing Frye/ Kelvin Cato

AND We Still have MLE and LLE

What do you think?

[NYKnicks15]

that is sick and NOT in a good way at all. I dont want anything to do with Chris Webber!!!. Nor do the knicks want there SG position looking like the Allstar team from 1996 ala Hardaway & Houston NOR do they want anything to do with Penny Hardaway at all for bailing on us...YES he bailed on us, suspension was thought about being given BUT they didnt see he was worth the BIG commotion. Hes a scrub.

Jamal Magloire isnt leaving New Orleans either. It would go against their idea of a young athletic team aswell as the statement that came out today issued by the team.

I still think my trade idea/roster is the best to date..
C Zydrunas Iglauskas
C Kwame Brown
C Vitaly Potapenko
PF Mike Sweetney
PF Malik Rose
PF Johan Petro
SF Tim Thomas
SF Trevor Ariza
SG Ray Allen
SG Gerald Green
SG Allan Houston
PG Stephon Marbury
PG Julius Hodge

[YEARITEHERE]

Knicks trade Kurt Thomas to the Nets for a first round pick, Jason Collins and Ron Mercer...This makes loads of sense for each side as the Nets would have a starting lineup of Kidd, Jefferson, Carter, Thomas and Kristic and would give the Knicks a solid backup C as well as 3 1st round picks to rebuild

[CharlesO#34]

@NYKnicks15

I Agree that your trade Idea is good but only better position in your roster is SG. I think that Kwame is a big shoot, as we all know the kid does't have a passion for the game. I think J.Posey is better defender and better fit into star lineup than tim thomas, also Zee wouldn't leave CLE if they want to sign LeBron long term. Also we will have a significant cap releif in future years with my roster.

[NYKnicks15]

i dont see where the signifigant cap relief would come from. Future years? maybe 3. BUT within those three years were going to have to sign other players back. Magloire is a 10-12 million dollar player and wouldnt prolly sign back for much less. Posey is a 6-7 million dollar player and the same goes for him. Aswell as Marbury. Webber is 3 years 63 million left and no leg. So between being horrible for 3 more years and having barely ANY cap relief from this thats why i said mine was better...no offense. as much as cap space should be a goal its not going to happen soon and you mind aswell be a good team and bring in a packed house like my roster would..

Kwame is worth the "risk". why? well hes 22 years old 6'11 and very athletic. he doesnt have the inspiration like ppl say. how do you know? i know your supposed to show it wherever you play and every game you do. but this kid came in when he was what 18? picked by MJ. then trashed by MJ. instead of getting helped in developing hes just been trashed. I think with a change of scenery hell be fine. 22.7 MPG with a .455FG% 5.5RPG and 7.7PPG for his career. you wouldnt want him to have more minutes and give him a chance?

And Zydrunas...well heres the thing about him. ONE hes stated recently he doenst want a huge contract (meaning long). TWO he just bought a house in NYC. THREE his family spends all their time here and so does he. Signs point to him coming here. Possible? yes. And i think if he forces a sign and trade itll happen. CLE wanted Kurt Thomas (ex. Gooden for Thomas trade before deadline). So why not get a two for one deal. Mo Taylor and KT for Zee?

PG: Marbury/ Huertas / Jones
SG: Houston/ Hardaway/
SF: Posey / Ariza/ Williams
PF: Webber/ Sweetney/ Frye
C: Malgoire / Taft / Cato

OR

PG: Marbury/Hodge
SG: Allen/Houston/Green
SF: Thomas/Ariza
PF: Sweetney/Rose/Petro
C: Iglauskas/Brown/Potapenko

Just the SG position? I think with Brown/Petro/Igluaskas the rotation for C is better (as much as i like Magloire) and the PF with Sweetney/Rose/Petro/Brown the rotation is better aswell. Chris Webber is garbage now and we found that out when coming to Philly. No legs, no athleticism, NO TOUGHNESS at the PF (unlike Sweets,Rose), and complains when someone dribbles too much...try playing with Stephon!

I just dont like the idea of Houston and Hardaway being our SG's nor penny being on our team at all. Nor Webber being are PF. I think with mine we have a good young core. good athleticism and toughness. aswell as a way to not only win games but have a packed house at MSG...

[CharlesO#34]

First fo all I see what's your point for kwame. In best case scenario he can be new Jermaine O'Neal. He blossom in Indy. So why don't try. But still I think J.Malgoire is far better than Zee. Also I think Webber isn't dead man with no leg. You can't evaluate playe after 20 games in new club. I think he can play two or three seasons on high level. Sure he is overpaid right now and for two more years, but isn't the same story with all players in our current roster. My Idea is if you have overpaid players, get so called stars not mediocre players as Taylor or Rose. And second look VC in NJN. He is happy. He was non stop injured in TOR and look at him now. HE palys like hell. Maybe C-Webb would be happy in NYK jersey. I don't want to say that they have same injuries but Webber is in second year after the knee injury and he should be fully healed this year (Look at Dice in DET he has 22.3 min and 9.6ppg and 6.3rpg and he looks like he can play 35 mpg. What I'm saying Is that worth shoot at Webber). Also if C-Webb don't show a production there is sweet to split a minutes with C-Webb. He shows he can do that. Now Hardaway. He is in the roster cause he is in last year of his contract and he is perfect trade bait in the middle of season. I think now the better solution is my first scenario:

PG: Marbury/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Houston/ Geerald Green/ Hardaway
SF: James Posey / Ariza/ Williams/ Milan Majstorovic
PF: Webber/ Sweetney/ Erazem Lorbek
C: Malgoire / Kelvin Cato

+ one addition

Trade
NY send to WAS
Jerome Williams
WAS send to NY
Kwame Brown

PG: Marbury/ Dahntay Jones
SG: Houston/ Geerald Green/ Hardaway
SF: James Posey / Ariza/ Milan Majstorovic
PF: Webber/ Sweetney/ Erazem Lorbek
C: Malgoire / Brown/ Kelvin Cato


Now about draft. We all know about G.Green. He is a project and he will get time behin Houston, And also Lorbek and Majstorovic are log shots butlook how SAS get T.Parker and M.Ginobili. I'm not saying that those two will be taht good but Lorbek plays in Bologna (same team as Ginobili) And this year in euroleague has 20 mpg 7.7 ppg 4.7 rpg while shooting 56% from the field and he is 21 years old. Now abuot M.Majstorovic. He plays for best Serbian team Reflex Zeleznik. This year in ULEB Cup (second best competition in Europe) he has 22mpg 11.3ppg 4.7 rpg. All I can say with this draft picks is to try to get some international players who may contribute in year or two. Look at our roster. We don't have internationals. And look at others SAS, DAL, PHO, SEA.... That's my point with low draft picks.

Now Cap Space:

Name 2005/06 2006/07 2007/08 2008/09 2000/10
Marbury 16.5M 18.3M 20.1M
Houston 19.1M 20.7M
Webber 19.1M 20.7M(PO) 22.3M
Hardaway 14.6M
Malgoire 10-12
Brown (6-7M A Lar as we may sign Lokk At BIG BEN)
J.Posey 5.9M 6.4M(PO)
Sweetney 2.1M 3.1M 3.7M
Ariza (Sign AS long as we can but DON'T overpaid him)
K.Cato 8.6M
D.Jones 1.2M 1.9M(TO) 2.7(QO)
G.Green Standard Rookie Contract
M.Majstorovic Standard Rookie Contract
E.Lorbek Standard Rookie Contract

2005/6 Over 100 M we have now
2006/07 In best case scenario Webber has very good season and has a good value and Opt Out Of his contract in search for championship team (very hard likely almost unbelievable) and J.Posey Opt out because he wants more money. We Use Team Option on D.Jones And that is total 20.7(C.Webb) + 14.6(Hardaway)+ 8.6(Cato)+ 6.4(Posey) + 1.9(Jones) = 52.2M. And we are almost under the cap. And we didn’t loose almost any thing if Ariza and Sweetney progress as they should. We still have Core of Marbury, Malgoire, Kwame, Ariza and Sweetney a veteran in Houston (overpaid of course) And Trio of youngsters in Green, Lorbek and Majstorovic. Add a darft picks, and good signs and we are playoff team again. In 07/08 or 08/09 we have legit shot at King James.
Worst Case Scenario is contract expiring without options andd we have a legit shot at LeBron again. We NEED A VISION.

[NYKnicks15]

i still dont see your vision...

Your right you cant judge him by 20 games in Philly...BUT i can judge him on his past in Sacramento. What did that do for him? more importantly what did he do for them? Sure he put big numbers up but the offense ran through him (no D of course) think its going to run through him in NY?? if you cant get the job done, with Miller, Peja, Bibby, Christie and Jackson then theres something wrong. He's complains, another me 1st type of player, bad leg, aging, huge contract, no D, and 0 toughness. He's a 4 that plays like a 3 or 2. would you really want another small F, especially just an arratic shooting one???

and yes magloire IS a lot better than Iglauskas BUT do you think well get him? you missed my point. we CAN get Iglauskas. Magloire is NOT on the trading block. New Orleans wants to keep him and he wants to stay there from reports. He has a good working relationship with Coach and Managment. Getting rid of him would go against there "plans". YOUNG and ATHLETIC.

the draft...why DO we need international players? whats so great about them. Sure there are a few gems here and there BUT not all of them are. Weis comes to mind doesnt he? I say go for people we already know about. that we can see their work without flying miles upon miles (in person i mean) and take maybe one chance (Petro) so atleast we have three to fall back on. I wouldn't call Gerald Green a project really. Have you seen him play? and every ESPN analyst when talking about this kid state (which after watching him i believe) hes a man amongst boys...the others im not sure about but im not really excited on the european factor for all our picks.

the salary ordeal...okay so say that all works out (highly unlikely) and with that core of Ariza, Sweetney, Brown, Houston, Marbury aswell as the rookies WE ARE STILL OVER THE CAP. well have NO way to sign LeBron. So it is pointless. the salary cap is 43.87 million by the way..

I dont know, we both have different points of views. and well never know whos is more realistic, or better for the Knicks, or more attractive to fans...unless people vote on it sooooo everyone im going to start a debate...whos trade idea is better...fair and square and well get other ppl involved in our ideas

[NYKnicks15]

You have one choice and you cant pick pieces out and choose a combination of the two. So one or the other...which plan for the Knicks is better? Based on excitement, quality, best play, and whatever other category you can think of...here we go

CharlesO#34's Trading Plan-
New York Knicks- C Jamal Magloire & F Chris Webber
New Orlean Hornets- F Tim Thomas
Philadelphia 76ers- C Chris Andersen, F Kurt Thomas, F George Lynch, F David West & G Jamal Crawford

New York Knicks- C Kelvin Cato, F James Posey & G Dahntay Jones
Memphis Grizzlies- F Malik Rose
Orlando Magic- F Maurice Taylor

Draft 2005-
8th pick: Gerald Green or Chris Taft
30th pick: Erazem Lorbek or Channing Frye
54th pick: Milan Majstorovic or Marcelo Huertos

and still have the MLE.

OR

NYKnicks15's Trading Plan-
New York Knicks- C Vitaly Potapenko & G Ray Allen
Seattle Supersonics- C Bruno Sundov, G Penny Hardaway & G Jamal Crawford

New York Knicks- C Zydrunas Iglauskas
Cleveland Cavaliers- F Maurice Taylor and F Kurt Thomas (or Jerome Williams)

New York Knicks- C Kwame Brown
Washington Wizards- F Jerome Williams (or Kurt Thomas)

and with our MLE or CASH buy the 19th pick from the Memphis Grizzlies for 3 million dollars.

Draft 2005-
8th pick: Gerald Green
19th: Hakim Warrick
20th pick: Johan Petro
(trade up the 30th and our 2nd rounder with another team like Denver for the 20th pick)

OR
8th pick: Gerald Green
19th: Johan Petro
30th pick: Salim Stoudamire
54th pick: Julius Hodge


FINAL RESULTS
C: Jamal Malgoire / Kelvin Cato
PF: Chris Webber/ Mike Sweetney/ Erazem Lorbek/ Jerome Williams
SF: James Posey / Trevor Ariza/ Milan Majstorovic
SG: Allan Houston/ Gerald Green/ Penny Hardaway
PG: Stephon Marbury/ Dahntay Jones

OR

C: Zydrunas Igluaskas/ Kwame Brown/ Vitaly Potapenko
PF: Mike Sweetney/ Malik Rose/ Johan Petro
SF: Tim Thomas/ Trevor Ariza
SG: Ray Allen/ Gerald Green/ Allan Houston
PG: Stephon Marbury/ Salim Stoudamire/ Julius Hodge

DEBATE and most of all CHOOSE!!! Thanks for participating...

[portega1968]

thumbs up for nky15's plan...bottom line is yea to allen and nay to webber...

[pyotrveliky]

that orl bos trade is terrible....we lose decent players and pick up worse. getting artets would be great as we discussed in other posts. z isnt a super center but hes big, rebounds, blocks, and can shoot well. a definite improvement over our makeshift center position now. kwame - assuming we steal him for cheap, id be willing to take a risk on him. if its a trade maybe give up mo taylor or rose, one of our many 3s or 4s. or just sign him as a FA. its doubtful that anyone really wants marbury that much that well get a good deal out of it so i doubt him or crawford are going anywhere.

OK can we please never mention the name webber again please? his salary is ridiculous and hes not even good....he just jacks up a lot of jumpers, has no inside presence and doesnt rebound that well. hell probably clash as it seems he already has with AI. its silly and there are better, younger, healthier big men.

about Z and magloire, i think Z is a lil bigger and has more range. id gladly take either tho. who said magloire is unhappy in NO?

[CharlesO#34]

C'mon people say what you think.

For first 2 results congratulations NYKnick15 you're idea leading votes. Nobody likes webber.

In final roster instead of williams should be Kwame.

I give you regards for that NYKnick15

About realistic scenarios: both scenarios are really unrealistic. If we get two good players this summer that is success, and both of us bring more than two players.

[bobs3304]

1.) We don't need an All-Star caliber Center. We just need a serviceable bigman that can get us some boards, some blocks, some easy points, and who can clog the paint for us.

Realistic/Available Candidates = Nesterovic, Kwame, J. James
Unrealistic/Unavailable = Ilgauskus, Magloire, Curry, Chandler

2.) We need to get rid of atleast 1-2 of our PF's. I dont see us getting rid of Sweets b/c he hasnt had enuff time yet to expand his game. Kurt will be the first to go, and he'll most likley be dealt for one of the centers listed above (realistic/available ones). Rose won't be traded simply b/c of his contract, and that means either JYD or Taylor might have to go.

3.) Crawford needs to become our legit 6th man, no more starting for him. The reason Zeke brought him in (and overpayed) is to provide a big energy boost off the bench. Oh...and Houston won't be starting in his place.

4.) Don't trade Timmy until the Trading Deadline, if at all. If we keep him until next year, he can be had for the MLE at most. That's a smart and economic decision. If Zeke wants to deal Penny, that's fine /w/ me, but personally I'd rather just let his contract expire, b/c there are only so many trades you can make in one year, and we shouldn't push to get rid of someone just for the hell of it. Every move we make from now on has to be pushing us toward being a better team.

5.) Well...if Crawford doesn't start, and either does H2O, where does that leave us? I'll tell you where. Nowhere and somewhere. THE ONLY WAY WE CAN WIN NEXT YEAR IS IF WE BRING IN ANOTHER ALL-STAR CALIBER PLAYER THAT CAN PLAY ALONGSIDE STEPH. This is urgent, seriously. We all know how Steph refused to play Robin /w/ KG...well, if he doesnt learn to co-exist /w/ a tag-team partner then his ass is good as gone. He doesn't even have a choice anymore, but I think at this point he is actually willing to do w/e it takes to win. You can see the desperation in his eyes.
So who do we bring in? Well, it'll either be a 2 or 3 (that's Sg or Sf for you) and it'll be someone that can be effective without the ball, who can play D, and who can hit the 3 (to spread the defense). The perfect choice would be Shawn Marion, but then I woke up and realized he's not going anywhere. Artest isn't coming to NY either. Trust me, after seeing Miller go last night, you KNOW they're depending on Artest to bring them back to the playoffs next year.
What about Odom, Ray Allen, Redd, Cuttino, ... No, No, No. Even if they WERE available, which I doubt, these are guys that are only effective WITH the ball. If we keep Steph, which we will (for better or worse), then we need an All-Star caliber player than can work w/o the ball - like Marion. Here are some candidates I think are realistic, possibly available, and who could play Robin to Marbury's Batman:

A.) Corey Maggette : He plays hard on both ends, plays physical (which we need badly), can rebound, get a steal or two, and best of all, can spot Marbury point for point if he needed to. Granted, his 3-point % was pretty bad this year, but he can still hit it. And /w/ Marbury's penetration, it would go up. Best of all, he wont cost us all that much.

B.) Larry Hughes : Led the league in steals this year. Can shoot, play D, and play some point as well. He'll be looking for a big pay-day this summer, and if for some reason Washington doesn't match, we could always offer them a nice package b/c Hughes IS unrestricted (don't forget that), so if he get's a bigger offer from say Cleveland, then, if he's willing to play in NY, the Wizards could atleast part /w/ him and get something of value in return.

C.) Paul Pierce : I know, you think I'm crazy. Well, believe it or not, PP does alot more than just score. And yes, there's a small chance he'll be available this summer - Never believe a word that Danny Ainge says though (Walker trades). Pierce rebounds, passes, spreads the D, can play some D...basically he's a triple-double threat every time he steps on the court. While he does like to get Iso and work one-on-one, I still think he could work /w/ Steph b/c it seems like he's desperate to get out of Boston...just look at the way he's been playing lately. He commands alotta attention, but he's not a selfish player...If we have a chance at nabbing him, we'll probly have to take LaFrentz or Blount as well (cap space for the C's).

D.) Wally Sczerbiak : Well, Wally would be a last alternative. I like the fact that he's a constant threat from beyond the arc, and that he plays hard in spite of having "White Man's Disease". Dont forget though, he does spread the defense, plays balls out usually, and is still relatively young even though his knee injury has slowed him down as of recent. Best of all, even though he's not as good as Maggette, Hughes, or Pierce, he'll be the easiest to trade for. A last alternative, but still a good one.


6.) Resign Herb Williams. You HAVE to give this guy an entire year to prove himself. Same goes /w/ Crawford and Sweets. And hey, you never know, maybe Pat will join him as an Assistant.

7.) Draft Picks : (if we keep our draft position as it is)
8: Raymond Felton, Gerald Green, or Danny Granger (BPA)
30: Morris, Bynum, or Turiaf (take a chance on a young C)
54: Julius Hodge or Overseas Project (BPA OR take a chance - depends)

Personally, I'd like to trade up using our 30th pick and trade bait, or just buy Memphis's 19th pick and try to draft Channing Frye or Johan Petro.



Well, thats all folks. Konichiwa Bitchez...

[pyotrveliky]

1.) We don't need an All-Star caliber Center. We just need a serviceable bigman that can get us some boards, some blocks, some easy points, and who can clog the paint for us.

Realistic/Available Candidates = Nesterovic, Kwame, J. James
Unrealistic/Unavailable = Ilgauskus, Magloire, Curry, Chandler

we had that in nazr - he was putting up almost a solid double double with a few blocks til we traded him for a pf....