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    i think the knicks should just move timmy to pf...and start ariza

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    I think what we are all forgetting is that JYD, Taylor and Rose all have untradable contracts! YJD is a nice player to have off the bench but even at m/l/e he is over paid and every team knows it... That's why Chicago made us take him in the sign and trade for Crawford. Face it, we are probably stuck with all 3 of those guys. Steph is one of the few players that has value and some teams want. Remember,we could of had Carter if we were willing to part with Marbury. I say use him to get that proven big name, like a walker, and then make additional moves from there. Then you can bring in someone like Brown and take a chance on him. If we give up sweetney for him, it is worth the risk. He is 6'8", has a potential weight problem so a 6'11" forward, that is very athletic has more upside than down. There was a stretch, last season, where Kwame averaged a double, double. I think Washington's problem was they tried to make him a center when he is clearly not. The only tradable contracts are Marbury, TT and maybe Crawfords. Jerome James seems like the only big guy that can obtained at the M/L/E, that doens't leave us much of a choice. At the very least, he is an experienced NBA center. Since the chance of getting a big man that can compete with the likes of Shaq and Duncan are next to impossible, why not grab JJ. Remember we are in the worst division in the NBA. So he will do OK against the likes of NJ, Boston and Toronto.

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    Home Theatre - not sure trading Marbury is a good idea. I'm still not sold on it. He's the identity of the team. He plays hard, and has shown he's willing to grow up and play more within the team concept.

    I like Walker, and getting him might pan out. But I think if we trade Marbury, we should be looking for cap space, picks, and a prospect, not just swapping players.

    Also, JYD's contract is tradeable b/c it's only MLE $$$ for only the next 2 years (3rd is team opt.). Trading him along /w/ Sweets would remove the glut at PF and bring us someone nice. I think a JYD, Sweetney, and 06 San An 1st for Walker is realistic, simply b/c Ainge knows that with Pierce also likely gone, theyre rebuilding and will take atleast a few years to do anything significant. Sweetney is still young (23) and will improve their young frontcourt. JYD is just a throw in and will be an expiring contract for them in 2006...I'd follow that up with signing Jerome James to the full MLE.

    Again, this is just how I'd go about this summer, considering our options. But I wouldn't be surprised if Zeke did any number of things that we wouldnt see coming.

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    I think what we are all forgetting is that JYD, Taylor and Rose all have untradable contracts! YJD is a nice player to have off the bench but even at m/l/e he is over paid and every team knows it... That's why Chicago made us take him in the sign and trade for Crawford. Face it, we are probably stuck with all 3 of those guys. Steph is one of the few players that has value and some teams want. Remember,we could of had Carter if we were willing to part with Marbury. I say use him to get that proven big name, like a walker, and then make additional moves from there. Then you can bring in someone like Brown and take a chance on him. If we give up sweetney for him, it is worth the risk. He is 6'8", has a potential weight problem so a 6'11" forward, that is very athletic has more upside than down. There was a stretch, last season, where Kwame averaged a double, double. I think Washington's problem was they tried to make him a center when he is clearly not. The only tradable contracts are Marbury, TT and maybe Crawfords. Jerome James seems like the only big guy that can obtained at the M/L/E, that doens't leave us much of a choice. At the very least, he is an experienced NBA center. Since the chance of getting a big man that can compete with the likes of Shaq and Duncan are next to impossible, why not grab JJ. Remember we are in the worst division in the NBA. So he will do OK against the likes of NJ, Boston and Toronto.
    lol we coulda actually had carter if we were willing to part with 2 of these three (kt, jyd, sweets)

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    i really dont understand y n e of you would want walker?



    He would bring the team down and hurt them


    he ball hogs/old/expensive/and is a very poor FT shooter.

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    If we're keeping Marbury, bringing in Walker couldn't possibly hurt the team any more than it already is. We would def. be a run-and-gun team and he has the heart and confidence to last in NY. He's the same age as Marbury, so that has nothing to do with it. And the most he'll make next season is around 7 Mill per.

    But let's not get ahead of ourselves. There are plenty directions Isiah could go this summer.

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    Did u read n e thing wut i said.....on y he is bad

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    Originally Posted by bobs3304
    If we're keeping Marbury, bringing in Walker couldn't possibly hurt the team any more than it already is. We would def. be a run-and-gun team and he has the heart and confidence to last in NY. He's the same age as Marbury, so that has nothing to do with it. And the most he'll make next season is around 7 Mill per.

    But let's not get ahead of ourselves. There are plenty directions Isiah could go this summer.
    I think Walker makes more sense if we aren't keeping Marbury... He's a point forward, he likes to handle the ball and run the offense.His game would clash with Steph's like it did with Pierce. I don't think Boston would want Sweets, they have Jefferson, Blount and Perkins.. and they are all 6' 10' and above. I don't think they are going to resign Payton so they would like a veteran point guard; especially if they are rebuilding. They would need some sort of a quaterback to keep order. Plus they need to sell tickets, like the knicks and at the very least, Steph can put butts in the seats. Again, this is all speculation but JD or Taylor will not bring back quality at all. They would bring back a longer contract that is worse than theirs. The knicks only have 1 or 2 pawns to bargain with. Yes, sweetney might bring in Brown from Washington. They are desperate to get rid of him but not loose their number 1 pick for nothing. Sweets is better than anything NJ would offer. Isiah does have 1 or 2 future #1 picks that he can add to a offer but we have guys that are not trade friendly. If we still had Nazr then we would have a better trade chip, but Rose and Taylor have contracts that no one will want. JD might find a home in Toronto, they seem to have a sentimental attatchment to him, but he is not a name that is ever mentioned in a trade. As far as Carter was concerned, Isiah would have given them K Thomas and JD for him but Toronto specifically asked for Marbury and Isiah pulled out on the deal. He has stated this on radio interviews. He did try to throw in Houston at first, but in the end, it came down to Isiahs unwillingness to trade Steph the put the cabosh on that deal. Unless we do a total dump, really there isn't to many options we have. Ariza won't get much, he probably needs this year to really cement his value, and TT won't be attractive until the trade deadline. So, this off season will be siging a big guy got the M/L/E, whom ever that might be and trading for Brown (if Washington will take Sweets as compinsation). Unless he (Isiah) is willing to use Steph to get that quality guy, than there isn't much more he will be able to do. That is the reality of a team that is so horribly capped out like the Knicks.

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    I see your point. I like Walker's enthusiasm, but I guess what it comes down to is this:

    Isiah will surprise us once again. I doubt any of us will be able to predict which direction he's going this summer, b/c it's his vision and only he has intimate knowledge of what sort of team he plans on assembling.

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    when walker touches the ball he will want to shooot.......when he shoots he misses alot....he will have streak when hes on and off


    he is a horrible freethrow shooter......

    he isnt a great defender or shotblocker which wut we need....


    if isaih goes for walker.......BAD MOVE

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    Originally Posted by KnicksFan20
    when walker touches the ball he will want to shooot.......when he shoots he misses alot....he will have streak when hes on and off


    he is a horrible freethrow shooter......

    he isnt a great defender or shotblocker which wut we need....


    if isaih goes for walker.......BAD MOVE
    When Walker came back to Boston last season he was much more focused and spread the ball out alot better than he did in the past. No, he is not a shot blocker but he is an offesnive threat. All good shooters are streaky, it is the nature of the game. When he is on, he can put up big numbers. Walker wouldn't be the savior of the knicks but he would be a piece to the puzzle. He demands a double team when he touches the ball, and he could kick it out to QR or JC. One thing that he is, is consitant on is his passing. He handles the ball very well for a big man and has good court vision. He bombed in Dallas because he didn't fit the system and wasted away in Atlanta. He is a quality player but not a dominate player. If the get Walker, they would still need to add size but they would have a proven NBA forward. Drafting is a crap shoot, you can't hinge the future on lottery balls but you can bring in quality players. You need quality to get quality. Walker is quality and, at the very least, you at least know what you are getting. Kwame and Swift are crap shoots as well. Walker is more stable and grounded than they are. I'm not saying that the Knicks shouldn't take a chance on one of them but they should still bring in someone who is a sure thing on some level as well. If not Walker, who else is out there. It will be years before they can outright sign someone in free agency. So in the meant time, what player can they get??? The Knicks need to stay competitive, so whom ever they bring in better be able to make an impact on some level. A rookie has some growing room. Frye will make rookie mistakes, it is inevidable. As long as you have some stability, you will be able to let them grow into their roles and let their talent flurish. Isiah needs to make 1 solid move here. Kwame or Swift is not a solid move, Walker would be.

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    Theatre hit it right on the nail. While Kwame or Swift would be the sexy way to go, theyre not necessarily the smart route to take.

    I like Walker b/c he basks in the big moments and isn't afraid to take the last shot. He plays hard, and at the least he's an average defender. He's the same age as Marbury, but would give us tons of playoff experience.

    I think in order to make room for Walker, however, you need to find a way to deal JYD and Sweetney, along /w/ maybe a future pick. Roster space is a premium right now.

    And on top of that, we also have the MLE to spend on a legit big, like James. Here's how I would see it going down:

    Frye, J. James
    Walker, Taylor, Rose
    Ariza, Timmy, Lee
    Q, Crawford
    Marbury, Nate


    But no doubt, I know Isiah has something special in mind. Can't wait to see what he comes up with...

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    I guess ideally it would be nice to keep Marbury and add a quality big man. The problem is I can't see us getting quality for guys like JD, Rose, Tim T. Tim T's contract will help us around the trade deadline to get someone like the 76's did, A Webber type. A type of player that has a big, multi-year contract that his current team feels it's too much for where they are currently at and/or going. In the off season, in order to get quality you have to trade quality. If Isiah some how gets Swift to come to NY, then he shouldn't go after Kwame, he needs a veteran. We currently have veterans on the team; Rose, Taylor and I guess JYD but these guys are role players off the bench at best. I think the 1 guy that we should keep is JYD. He is a tenacious defender and has energy. This is the guy you want off your bench. Even though he has those attributes, he still is a hard contract to trade. So, not to beat a dead horse, but I think the only way the Knicks can get a proven big man this off season, in a trade or sign and trade, is to use Marbury as the pawn. TT might get us something come the trade deadline. Also, forget Penny until the trade deadline as well. Even though he has an expiring contract, I don’t see any team that would want him at all, at least TT can play.

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    Theatre: I hate to have conversations like this b/c I'm being tugged in 2 different direction: What SHOULD happen, and what WILL. What very well should happen is Isiah shopping Marbury around, to see what kind of interest he can garnish. What WILL happen is Zeke will hold onto Steph for atleast another year, and try hard to build the best team around him. With Crawford and Nate needing minutes, I think it would actually make more sense to trade Marbury, but I don't wanna indulge in that, b/c it's something that's just not in the cards this summer (I think).

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    why do u guys want to start ariza instead of tim? i dont think ariza is ready yet but he defintely brings energy off the bench and should get alot more min. and if we do get walker, tim and 'toine can have so many mismatches since they are tall and good 3 point shooters and exceptional post players, but i dont think we should be a team that revolves around the 3. we should add size to our lineup, even stro would be nice addition

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