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    Why cant we give up someone like a Sweetney or a JYD for a Dalembert not Marbury....

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    Marbury went to GTech, so Atlanta may be interested....but for Al Harrington? I've been frying Marbury for his lack of D, etc., but there has to be something better than Al Harrington or Dalembert. He's still the best PG besides Nash and Kidd, so we shouldn't trade him unless we're getting a Top10-20 player in return. I prefer to target a desired player and then see what it takes 2get him. KG, Artest, Peja, Lamar, Brand, AK47, Gasol, Pierce, etc....I'd rather dream big than conform to Dalembert's supposed upside or Harrington's so-so game.

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    Harrington doesnt get me excited to tell you the truth. But Dalembert does, simply b/c he's that athletic, aggressive, defensive minded Center we need.

    But I agree, I think would atlanta atleast be loosely interested in Marbury, especially since the only FA they'll likely get is Swift...


    And yo, Portega - how do you justify complaining about me calling you a jackass, and then calling me a prick?


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    Atlanta can make a run at Simmons hes a decent PG

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    Originally Posted by portega1968
    Marbury went to GTech, so Atlanta may be interested....but for Al Harrington? I've been frying Marbury for his lack of D, etc., but there has to be something better than Al Harrington or Dalembert. He's still the best PG besides Nash and Kidd, so we shouldn't trade him unless we're getting a Top10-20 player in return. I prefer to target a desired player and then see what it takes 2get him. KG, Artest, Peja, Lamar, Brand, AK47, Gasol, Pierce, etc....I'd rather dream big than conform to Dalembert's supposed upside or Harrington's so-so game.
    You're dreaming. Marbury is loved in NY but no where else. His style of play dominates a team. sure he gets a bunch of assists, but all jump shots after he drives and kicks it out. He's not a true point guard and there is a reason that Kidd and Nash led the same teams he couldn't do anything with deep into the playoffs. It's because they know how to play in a system and as a team not just drive and dish or take it strong 80% of their team's possessions. Marbury is also approaching 30 and has a bunch of years and a bunch of millions coming his way.
    I don't think that you can win with him, otherwise I would agree with keeping him because you're not going to get anything comparable in a deal.
    Harrington is a winner with an all-around game and one year at 7 mill left. If nothing else he can get you any big guy you want in a sign and trade.

    Artest is the only star you might be able to get seeing as he's crazy and the Pacers are an ideal fit for Marbury: they need a point and have a star and a strong coach in place. The Pacers have a ready made replacement for Artest in Granger. Of course, then the Knicks are taking a huge risk on Artest. The Knicks lack of defense and effort would definately drive him nuts.

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    Clipps will def. make sure Simmons stays.

    Man, getting Dalembert, as doubtful as it is considering the Sixers' situation, would really be good for us. We'd have a strong core of starters that could play together for years... Marbury only has a few solid years left /w/ that knee. I only crave wins now b/c I'm assuming Steph will stay here. But if we WERE to strike that type of deal with Philly, then, as long as we're exciting, I could easily be more patient, knowing a championship is on the horizon.

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    Originally Posted by Ted
    Originally Posted by portega1968
    Marbury went to GTech, so Atlanta may be interested....but for Al Harrington? I've been frying Marbury for his lack of D, etc., but there has to be something better than Al Harrington or Dalembert. He's still the best PG besides Nash and Kidd, so we shouldn't trade him unless we're getting a Top10-20 player in return. I prefer to target a desired player and then see what it takes 2get him. KG, Artest, Peja, Lamar, Brand, AK47, Gasol, Pierce, etc....I'd rather dream big than conform to Dalembert's supposed upside or Harrington's so-so game.
    You're dreaming. Marbury is loved in NY but no where else. His style of play dominates a team. sure he gets a bunch of assists, but all jump shots after he drives and kicks it out. He's not a true point guard and there is a reason that Kidd and Nash led the same teams he couldn't do anything with deep into the playoffs. It's because they know how to play in a system and as a team not just drive and dish or take it strong 80% of their team's possessions. Marbury is also approaching 30 and has a bunch of years and a bunch of millions coming his way.
    I don't think that you can win with him, otherwise I would agree with keeping him because you're not going to get anything comparable in a deal.
    Harrington is a winner with an all-around game and one year at 7 mill left. If nothing else he can get you any big guy you want in a sign and trade.

    Artest is the only star you might be able to get seeing as he's crazy and the Pacers are an ideal fit for Marbury: they need a point and have a star and a strong coach in place. The Pacers have a ready made replacement for Artest in Granger. Of course, then the Knicks are taking a huge risk on Artest. The Knicks lack of defense and effort would definately drive him nuts.
    When Marbury was in the playoffs he was in the 7th and eight seed. How far do you expect the 7th and eight seed to go in the playoffs? Harrington is a decent player hes not a star as you make it sound like he is one.

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    Simmons is a wing not a PG.
    Bob: The problem with the Knicks is that they have a bunch of players who get fans "excited" but none who know the first thing about winning or team basketball. Harrington is a much better player at this point than Dalembert. Even though he came off the ench he played serious minutes on the Pacers when they were a serious contender.

    The point in moving Marbury to Atlanta is that you can't win with him as your point guard and that you clear his enormous salary for a player who is extremely valuable in sign-and-trades or who allows you to move Crawford or Q if anyone will have them.

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    No Harington is not a star. Neither is Marbury. Harrington has a great contract and plays d and understand the concept of a team. The point is that as soon as they got Kidd the Nets were a 1 seed as were the Suns when they got Nash, You play an entire season to get that seed it isnt just given to you.

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    First, Isiah likes Marbury, and I don't think he'd do that to him....Atlanta is like the black hole of the NBA. And Harrington offers nothing special. Not a defensive stopper, can't hit the 3 consistently, and he's a tweener. I guess since he's an expiring contract, we could then use him in a deal a month or so afterwards. But as far as actually keeping him, I'm not so sure, especially when we have a blatant hole at Center.

    If we're trading Marbury, I'd like to atleast get a Big Man prospect in the package...Dalembert is the next Dikembe Mutombo, and assuming he'll be signed to around 6-7 mill TOPS, we'll have one of the most economically friendly starting lineups around the league (Craw, Q, Ariza, Frye, Dally).

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    Originally Posted by Ted
    No Harington is not a star. Neither is Marbury. Harrington has a great contract and plays d and understand the concept of a team. The point is that as soon as they got Kidd the Nets were a 1 seed as were the Suns when they got Nash, You play an entire season to get that seed it isnt just given to you.
    But when Marbury was in NJ Jefferson wasnt devloped into the type of player he is now. And when he was in Phoneix he had no healthy Amare. ANd before the Suns had Marbury were they a contender. Or before the Nets had Marbury were they a contender? Your puttng all the blame on Marbury...

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    Originally Posted by portega1968
    Marbury went to GTech, so Atlanta may be interested....but for Al Harrington? I've been frying Marbury for his lack of D, etc., but there has to be something better than Al Harrington or Dalembert. He's still the best PG besides Nash and Kidd, so we shouldn't trade him unless we're getting a Top10-20 player in return. I prefer to target a desired player and then see what it takes 2get him. KG, Artest, Peja, Lamar, Brand, AK47, Gasol, Pierce, etc....I'd rather dream big than conform to Dalembert's supposed upside or Harrington's so-so game.
    I agree 100%. Dalembert is a nice player off the bench. He plays very good D so he won't take away from the game when he steps on the court. The only good part of the trade was Dalembert and that is not enough. I've been a very vocal advocate of trading Marbury now while he still has great value, but for more than Dalembert and some throw away(s). We won't get Gasol or KG for him and Harrington could be a piece if Atlanta added to the pot...Childress would open my eyes (and ears) a little more.
    As far as the team suffering from not having a point guard, Detroit did it. Billups is not a point guard. But they had a nuclease of talent. Nate R is not ready to step in at all, he will need, at the very least, a full season under hi belt before he can even think of starting in NY...Maybe 2 full seasons. In the mean time, Isiah should focus on what's available to put into the lineup. bobs3304 and myself have been bouncing this notion back and forth on other threads... Here is list of players I would focus on trying to get. Walker, Kwame or Swift, a center like Jerome James (cheap and plays D). I would call around; see if Memphis would be interested in talking about Battier (I like his game and versatility he is a 3/2).. Give Detroit a buzz and see if they would be interested in talking about a deal for Prince and Portland about Miles (again a versatile player 3/2 and drive to the rim, has speed and lift as well as he plays D).
    Also, why the hell would anyone want both SM and AI in the back court??? Did anyone see the Olympics when those guys played together?? My God, they must of went 30 for 300 from the 3 point line and the offense was STAGNET!! If owned the 76s and my GM traded for SM to put with AI, I would fire him... No I would send him to be tested for an extra chromosome!!!

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    Dalembert is the next Camby, Deke was one of the best defensive centers of all time. I like him and would love to have him but not for too much $.

    Harrington is pretty damn close to a defensive stopper and can hit the 3 as consistantly as Q or Crawford who both shoot terrible %s. I don't know if people forgot how good he was on the Pacers just a year ago.

    Marbury doesn't deserve all the blame, but as the best player he does get his share. The thing you have to look at in what we can get for Marbury is how little we gave up for him. If other teams were so in love with him they would have given a star then

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    Originally Posted by NYK Way
    Originally Posted by Ted
    No Harington is not a star. Neither is Marbury. Harrington has a great contract and plays d and understand the concept of a team. The point is that as soon as they got Kidd the Nets were a 1 seed as were the Suns when they got Nash, You play an entire season to get that seed it isnt just given to you.
    But when Marbury was in NJ Jefferson wasnt devloped into the type of player he is now. And when he was in Phoneix he had no healthy Amare. ANd before the Suns had Marbury were they a contender. Or before the Nets had Marbury were they a contender? Your puttng all the blame on Marbury...
    You know you would have a point if it wasn't for the fact that both Pheonix and NJ did a total 180 the very next season after the trades!

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    The problem around Marbury is plain and simple:


    He's clearly very talented, but he's a SG trapped in a PG's body. GM's get mesmerized by his abilities and put all the pressure on his back. Problem is his position, not the player. Marbury is your typical Steve Francis. Not good for a team trying to win. Pure PG's are what your supposed to see in a player who's running a team. Marbury is a great great talent, but that's just the problem. Too much talent for a guy that's too short to be playing SG, and not crafted to play the point...

    if he gets traded, it's b/c Isiah wakes up and realizes the Marbury experiment is over...

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