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    The thing that you Knicks fans have probably come to learn is that Isiah has a lot of distractors that are waiting to trash him at every turn. People who are still bitter with Isiah for agreeing with Rodman in 1987 when Dennis said that if Larry was white he'd be just another good player or for him leading the walk off against the Bulls in 1991.

    Each one of those events has a back story that people don't stop to look into. Isiah was also the leader of the Bad Boys and fans outside of metro Detroit didn't like our brand basketball. They wanted Showtime in LA or the airiel manuevering of Michael in Chicago. Isiah led his team with the style they were best at, and winning was THE only thing. He's gonna bring that same win or die mentality to the Knicks. It's not just a job to Isiah, it's personal.

    I like all the articles calling Isiah out for his moves, you know the ones laced with spite in the place of objectiveness. It means he's doing his thing and not letting public opinion sway his vision.

    I got to admit I'm a bandwagon NY fan because Isiah is there. But, while he is I'll be rooting for the Knicks all the way. When the glory is restored I'll be as happy as ANY one of the lifelong Knicks die-hards it just won't be for the exact same reasons.

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    What was Zeke's best move since joing the NYK organization? Getting Brown? Marbury? The 3 recent picks? Isiah did have a bad team to start with, and right now I feel that he's starting to get serious. My feelings have recently changed about Isiah. I used to think he was foolish, and old, and that it was to difficult for him to let go of the game. Isiah has experienced the basketball from almost every aspect. He's getting better. How much is Zeke getting paid anyway?

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    Originally Posted by NYKnicks15
    ISIAH THOMAS
    AS GENERAL MANAGER


    A sports analyst (a lame one by the way) said something that actually made me laugh about Isiah Thomas...

    "There is no I in team...but there is two in Isiah and two in idiot"

    haha i was rolling, but the sad thing is i like Isiah Thomas as our general manager...

    now I know everyone says he should have done this, should have done that. but lets face it he inherited a horrible problem and personally I think he made some of the best choices possible...now I know everyone will say he should have dumped the cap BUT how could he of done that. its nice to say that but tell me who would take Allan Houstons contract? who would we of dumped the cap too? and i know youll say well maybe we couldnt have done that BUT we should of done this trade (and come up with a trade for some good players that fit the salary...dont lie i do it too). but heres the thing, this is not NBA LIVE 2004. you cant give three scrubs with a 58 rating to a team for an allstar with a 92 rating!! haha it just wont work. IT HAS TO WORK FOR BOTH TEAMS (or ALL teams involved for that matter)...

    so in this i want to show his moves since being GM and tell me...eyyy WHY ARE WE STILL RAGGING ON THIS MAN?!!?!

    He has WAIVED...
    C Slavko Vranes, F John Amaechi & F Shandon Anderson
    ...any big losses?

    He has TRADED...
    C Michael Doleac, C Nazr Mohammed, C Dikembe Mutumbo, C Cezary Trybanski, F Othella Harrington, F Keith Van Horn, F Kurt Thomas, F Dijon Thompson F Clarence Weatherspoon, F Antonio McDyess, F Maciej Lampe, F Vin Baker, G Moochie Norris, G Howard Eisley, G Charlie Ward, G Jamison Brewer, G Frank Williams, the draft rights to G Milos Vujanic, 2004 1st Round Pick, a conditional 1st Round Pick, 2005 2nd Round Pick & a 06 2nd Round Pick
    ...do I wish we had some of those players still? of course. I would love to have Nazr & Van Horn as a back up Center and PF, I would love to have Dikembe..in his prime, I would love to have McDyess when he could walk, i JUST dont see these "losses" as horrible when we got this--->

    He has SIGNED, DRAFTED, or TRADED FOR...
    C Channing Frye, C Jackie Butler, C Jerome James, C Bruno Sundov, F Maurice Taylor, F Malik Rose, F David Lee, F Jerome Williams, F Tim Thomas, F Trevor Ariza, G DerMarr Johnson, G Jermaine Jackson, G Stephon Marbury, G Anfernee Hardaway, G Nate Robinson, G Jamal Crawford & G Quentin Richardson aswell as a 1st Round Pick in 06
    ...we have two large inspiring contracts to play with, a superstar guard at the point, we have two young bright shooting guards, we got 4 incredible draft talents, im loving the pick ups with minor exception..

    He has FIRED...
    Don Chaney, Brendan Malone & Lon Kruger

    He has HIRED...
    Lenny Wilkens (Wilkens Resigns), Mark Aguirre, Dick Helm ASWELL as HIRED Larry Brown as Head Coach of Knicks (offical tomorrow guaranteed)
    ...we have Larry Brown as our head coach, enough said!

    honestly even if you're a horrible pessimist, you have to tell me the roster of

    2005-2006 (so far)
    Coach:: Larry Brown
    C Jerome James/Channing Frye/Jackie Butler
    PF Mike Sweetney/Malik Rose/David Lee/Jerome Williams/Maurice Taylor
    SF Tim Thomas/Trevor Ariza
    SG Quentin Richardson/Jamal Crawford/Penny Hardaway/Allan Houston
    PG Stephon Marbury/Nate Robinson

    is ALOT better than the roster of

    2003-2004
    Coach:: Don Chaney
    C Dikembe Mutumbo/Michael Doleac/Slavko Vranes
    PF Kurt Thomas/Mike Sweetney/Othella Harrington/Maciej Lampe/Antonio Mcdyess
    SF Keith Van Horn/Shandon Anderson/Clarence Weatherspoon
    SG Allan Houston
    PG Howard Eisley/Charlie Ward/Frank Williams

    i know its all about winning in the future and cap space etc etc. but look at the change, look at the youth, look at the names, and HONESTLY tell me if what Isiah has done (in the 1 and a half seasons he has been here) that awful???
    This is an outstanding post with excellent perspective. I am very happy with Zeke and have confidence in him. Even though he has added questionable contracts, they are at least attached to players that are tradeable as they are not complete scrubs. And 2 years ago, they had no direction and were not even watcheable! The only thing I can not understand is where was all of this scrutiny on the previous Knick GMs who ran the organization into the ground?

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    Nice words from Isiah to Herb, even said he hopes his kids grow up to be like Herb. Without a doubt, I'm sure we all look forward to the day Herb gets his shot after learning from the Great Teacher. This is really good karma for our team. VERY HAPPY!!!

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    ISIAH THOMAS
    AS GENERAL MANAGER



    A sports analyst (a lame one by the way) said something that actually made me laugh about Isiah Thomas...

    "There is no I in team...but there is two in Isiah and two in idiot"

    haha i was rolling, but the sad thing is i like Isiah Thomas as our general manager...

    now I know everyone says he should have done this, should have done that. but lets face it he inherited a horrible problem and personally I think he made some of the best choices possible...now I know everyone will say he should have dumped the cap BUT how could he of done that. its nice to say that but tell me who would take Allan Houstons contract? who would we of dumped the cap too? and i know youll say well maybe we couldnt have done that BUT we should of done this trade (and come up with a trade for some good players that fit the salary...dont lie i do it too). but heres the thing, this is not NBA LIVE 2004. you cant give three scrubs with a 58 rating to a team for an allstar with a 92 rating!! haha it just wont work. IT HAS TO WORK FOR BOTH TEAMS (or ALL teams involved for that matter)...

    so in this i want to show his moves since being GM and tell me...eyyy WHY ARE WE STILL RAGGING ON THIS MAN?!!?!

    He has WAIVED...
    C Slavko Vranes, F John Amaechi, F Jerome Williams & F Shandon Anderson
    ...any big losses?..Williams? but he wanted to retire

    He has TRADED...
    C Michael Doleac, C Nazr Mohammed, C Dikembe Mutumbo, C Cezary Trybanski, F Othella Harrington, F Mike Sweetney, F Tim Thomas, F Keith Van Horn, F Kurt Thomas, F Dijon Thompson F Clarence Weatherspoon, F Antonio McDyess, F Maciej Lampe, F Vin Baker, G Moochie Norris, G Howard Eisley, G Charlie Ward, G Jamison Brewer, G Jermaine Jackson, G Frank Williams, the draft rights to G Milos Vujanic, 2004 1st Round Pick, a conditional 1st Round Pick, 2005 2nd Round Pick & a 06 2nd Round Pick
    ...do I wish we had some of those players still? of course. I would love to have Nazr & Van Horn as a back up Center and PF, I would love to have Dikembe..in his prime, I would love to have McDyess when he could walk, Id love to keep Sweetney but his work ethic is poor and I have faith in Timmy but..i JUST dont see these "losses" as horrible when we got this--->

    He has SIGNED, DRAFTED, or TRADED FOR...
    C Channing Frye, C Eddy Curry, C Jackie Butler, C Jerome James, C Bruno Sundov, F Maurice Taylor, F Antonio Davis, F Malik Rose, F David Lee, F Jerome Williams, F Tim Thomas, F Trevor Ariza, G DerMarr Johnson, G Jermaine Jackson, G Stephon Marbury, G Anfernee Hardaway, G Nate Robinson, G Jamal Crawford & G Quentin Richardson aswell as a 1st Round Pick in 06
    ...we have two large inspiring contracts to play with, a superstar guard at the point, we have two young bright shooting guards, we got 3 incredible draft talents, im loving the pick ups with minor exception..do i mind the Taylor trade? not so much we got a decent player for two scrubs and an expiring contract next season..do i mind the Rose trade? not at all, i like Nazr but a soon to be expriring contract and David Lee is fine by me..

    He has FIRED...
    Don Chaney, Brendan Malone & Lon Kruger

    He has HIRED...
    Lenny Wilkens (Wilkens Resigns), Mark Aguirre (Cleveland), Dick Helm ASWELL as HIRED Larry Brown as Head Coach of Knicks
    ...we have Larry Brown as our head coach, enough said!

    honestly even if you're a horrible pessimist, you have to tell me the roster of

    2005-2006 (so far)
    Coach:: Larry Brown
    C Jerome James/Channing Frye/Jackie Butler
    PF Eddy Curry/Malik Rose/Maurice Taylor
    SF Quentin Richardson/Trevor Ariza/David Lee
    SG Jamal Crawford/Allan Houston
    PG Stephon Marbury/Nate Robinson/Penny Hardaway

    is ALOT better than the roster of

    2003-2004
    Coach:: Don Chaney
    C Dikembe Mutumbo/Michael Doleac/Slavko Vranes
    PF Kurt Thomas/Mike Sweetney/Othella Harrington/Maciej Lampe/Antonio Mcdyess
    SF Keith Van Horn/Shandon Anderson/Clarence Weatherspoon
    SG Allan Houston
    PG Howard Eisley/Charlie Ward/Frank Williams

    i know its all about winning in the future and cap space etc etc. but look at the change, look at the youth, look at the names, and HONESTLY tell me if what Isiah has done (in the 1 and a half seasons he has been here) that awful??? sure he inherrited a owner willing to spend, but also inherted a piece of crap team...im not an Isiah worshipper Im just an Isiah faithful...

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    to all u isiah fans:

    name ONE trade where isiah actually got the better of the other gm. cuz i can name a bunch where he was the one that got suckered.

    and yeah, he was able to get larry brown, it cuz he could afford to make him the highest paid coach, and cuz its NY and larry always wanted to be in ny, not because of isiahs persuasive skills.

    yeah, he got marbury, but he took on pennys contract and gave up some young guys and picks....and really, a lot of other gm's coulda made that trade if they were the gm of the KNICKS and not some small market team.

    yeah, he got curry, but same thing..other gm's cant afford to do it.


    so basically, name ONE THING ISIAH has done that makes u say, wow, he did something special that nobody thought he could do.

    the only thing ill give him is his ability to draft guys..hes gotten steals in ariza, nate, and lee...or so it seems at this point in their careers.

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    When the Spurs drafted Manu at #55 were you instantaniously blown away by what they had just done? My guess in no because he didn´t come to the NBA for 3 or 4 years. How about when they got Parker at 28? Or when they signed Bruce Bowen? But when they sign Brent Barry it´s the greatest move ever, but he backs these guys up.
    Further, saying Isiah got lucky getting Larry Brown is true, but at the same time how lucky were the Spurs that Robinson got hurt and Duncan stayed in school and the ping-pong balls bounced their way? Or the Bulls that some guy was dumb enough to take Bowie over Jordan because he already had Clyde Drexler.

    When Joe Dumars sent Grant Hill to the Magic for Ben Wallace did you think he had gotten the better of the deal? At the same time, did you think the Magic would be a championship contender for years to come? When he signed Chauncey Billups for the MLE did you forsee him being the Finals MVP? Were you laughing at the Wiz for trading Rip for Stackhouse? And did you know Tayshaun was going to be a steal? Was Joe Dumars getting Larry Brown after he stepped down in Philly (presumably knowing damn well he was on his way to Mo-town) due to his persuasive skills or because Larry Brown knew he had pieced together one hell of a team?

    How about you wait to see how things play out before deciding which GM got the better of the deal. I cannot predict the future and Isiah might well have gotten hosed (not as though that´s not obvious when you acquire a player with a heart condition), but only time will tell.

    Relating to the Curry thread: Do Malik Rose and Mo Taylor really have to go just because "dr. carpy" says so? Rose is now our best rebounder and a hardworking team leader. If Curry´s health fails him Taylor is suddenly our best low-post option. And if Frye and Lee are not ready to contribute they are both extremely valuable.

    Billy Beane does a hell of a job in Oakland, but if he´s the Yankees´ GM do you think he keeps the ´payroll at an Oakland level? Do you think he passes on A-Rod and the Big Unit because they´re expensive?
    Because the Knicks make more money then any team and no one would pay to watch Dolan vs Thomas go one on one, are the players not entitled to their fair share? Also worth noting that Isiah is a favorite among players. When the Pacers fired him Jermaine O'Neal was pissed, Shaq gave Isiah´s daughter his All-Star ring, and while resigning Vin Baker looked stupid he was keeping his word. If/when Isiah has a chance at acquiring a big name, they will jump at the chance to play on his team.

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    Originally Posted by a knick fan
    to all u isiah fans:

    name ONE trade where isiah actually got the better of the other gm. cuz i can name a bunch where he was the one that got suckered.

    and yeah, he was able to get larry brown, it cuz he could afford to make him the highest paid coach, and cuz its NY and larry always wanted to be in ny, not because of isiahs persuasive skills.

    yeah, he got marbury, but he took on pennys contract and gave up some young guys and picks....and really, a lot of other gm's coulda made that trade if they were the gm of the KNICKS and not some small market team.

    yeah, he got curry, but same thing..other gm's cant afford to do it.


    so basically, name ONE THING ISIAH has done that makes u say, wow, he did something special that nobody thought he could do.

    the only thing ill give him is his ability to draft guys..hes gotten steals in ariza, nate, and lee...or so it seems at this point in their careers.
    Wow dude. Just cant stand the man can you... Name one thing? Okay hater, again, let's reflect:
    2003-2004
    Coach:: Don Chaney
    C Dikembe Mutumbo/Michael Doleac/Slavko Vranes
    PF Kurt Thomas/Mike Sweetney/Othella Harrington/Maciej Lampe/Antonio Mcdyess
    SF Keith Van Horn/Shandon Anderson/Clarence Weatherspoon
    SG Allan Houston
    PG Howard Eisley/Charlie Ward/Frank Williams

    In other word a roster that was slow, undersized, and old, a great combination, eh? Just two short years ago, I would never had thought that the Knicks would be even relevant for at least a generation. Now, at least we have hope. So, in short, that one thing has been has been to infuse youth, excitement, and most importantly hope. And you are so blind with hatred that you cite two rookies in nate and lee that you haven't even seen play on this level (except possibly summer league) as things he has done right! One question, were you as critical of the previous joke GMs.

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    of course he is gonna be able to improve that roster!!! EVERY team HAS to improve, or else it is getting worse. in this league, if u dont make any changes, and u are staying te same, it means u are getting worse.

    he has not made a good DEAL. yes, he has INCREASED the payroll, and given up EXPIRING contracts of old guys to overpay or get overpaid average players that are young, such as Qrich or JCraw. anybody can say "look i traded away old guys who had contracts taht were expiring and got players that were average or barely above avg that nobody else really wanted because they make too much money". that doesnt take any skill.

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    Originally Posted by a knick fan
    of course he is gonna be able to improve that roster!!! EVERY team HAS to improve, or else it is getting worse. in this league, if u dont make any changes, and u are staying te same, it means u are getting worse.

    he has not made a good DEAL. yes, he has INCREASED the payroll, and given up EXPIRING contracts of old guys to overpay or get overpaid average players that are young, such as Qrich or JCraw. anybody can say "look i traded away old guys who had contracts taht were expiring and got players that were average or barely above avg that nobody else really wanted because they make too much money". that doesnt take any skill.
    Okay Hater. Every team has to improve? Another indication of your blind hatred for Zeke. Look around the NBA: Toronto, Milwakee, Atlanta, New Orleans (and the jury is out on Golden State and the Clippers)... These teams have been sorry for a while dude. I do not agree with EVERY move Zeke has made, but it is grossly apparent that you, along with a lot of media talking heads, simply have something against him. Did Checkets or Layden EVER improve the roster, despite having the same unlimited resources? Were you as adamant about your hatred for them? And by the way, you don't think franchises such as the Lakers have the same unlimited resources to play with... And, each player speaks about the respect they have for him and that his presence alone raises their level of play and expectations. Few GMs (West, Mullin etc.) command the same respect from the players. Does that stand for anything. I guess not if you are just a hater...

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    Originally Posted by Trin_Starr
    the acquisition of Larry Brown is Isiah's best achievement as GM.
    o'rly?

    Originally Posted by pyotrveliky
    yeah considering the mess he came into, he got us younger, more athletic, faster and much more exciting. sure he took on some bad contracts but that was part of the other deals (generally). in the long run hell make us great again, esp w larrry
    LOL....

    Originally Posted by a knick fan
    to all u isiah fans:

    name ONE trade where isiah actually got the better of the other gm. cuz i can name a bunch where he was the one that got suckered.

    and yeah, he was able to get larry brown, it cuz he could afford to make him the highest paid coach, and cuz its NY and larry always wanted to be in ny, not because of isiahs persuasive skills.

    yeah, he got marbury, but he took on pennys contract and gave up some young guys and picks....and really, a lot of other gm's coulda made that trade if they were the gm of the KNICKS and not some small market team.

    yeah, he got curry, but same thing..other gm's cant afford to do it.


    so basically, name ONE THING ISIAH has done that makes u say, wow, he did something special that nobody thought he could do.

    the only thing ill give him is his ability to draft guys..hes gotten steals in ariza, nate, and lee...or so it seems at this point in their careers.


    What happened to this kid? Seem like the only one who know what he's talking about.

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