Page 2 of 2 FirstFirst 12
Results 16 to 24 of 24

Thread: Starbury...what a joke!

  1. #16
    Knicks Guru hometheaterguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,017
    Rep Power
    12

    Default

    Originally Posted by commonse
    Marbury is one of the best defenders in our team! (even if they fight wit Brown, Larry already told this) You dont know nothing about these whole stuff but you have an opinion, its okay..
    I do not know what NY Knicks games you are watching but I see almost every game and he is toasted by everyone who he guards! I don't care what face Brown puts on, he does not think Steph, or anyone else for that matter, plays decent D never mind good to great D. Saying Steph is the best defender on this team is like saying Gheorghe Muresan is the fastest player on a team of 1 legged players. It's not saying that much for the state of Defense on the Knicks. As far as my comment about a team that doesn't care about wining; The Knicks care about wining and Dolan cares about wining but that alone doesn't mean they will or even shoould win. They have a horrible team! Isiah has totally mismatched this team and they just outright stink!

  2. #17
    Veteran Trin_Starr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Trumbull, CT
    Posts
    1,093
    Rep Power
    12

    Default

    Apparently you were not watching any games either....In the beginning of the season, LB had Steph guarding the league's top shooting guards - Vince, Ray Allen etc because of the great job he was doing, even tho he was in all cases 25lbs lighter and 4-5" shorter. He was playing great D for LB but after exerting all that energy and not seeing the results - he's been giving up on it....

    And tht's like all of us in life. You work at ur job and bust ur ass to get **** done and when u don't get the results u expected (aka a raise) u say **** this ****, i'm not going to put myself thru this anymore for nothing....

  3. #18
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Jersey City, NJ
    Posts
    18
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Stephon cries foul
    Attacks Brown for 'insecurity'


    BY FRANK ISOLA
    DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER

    Larry Brown attempts to get through to Stephon Marbury in first half.

    Stephon Marbury accused Larry Brown of trying to drag him into a public dispute and said the coach is making their ongoing feud a personal one.
    Another explosive day in the deteriorating Marbury-Brown relationship included the player calling his coach insecure and promising to "defend myself" for as long as Brown continues to criticize him publicly.

    "I'm no longer going to allow him to say things about me (and) I'm not going to say anything back," Marbury said at yesterday morning's shootaround. "That's just not going to happen. I allowed him to drag me the first three, four months in the paper and I didn't say one word. I just sat back and took it. I'm not taking it any more. If something is going to be said, I'm going to defend myself. My mother taught me that if somebody hits you, hit them back."

    When informed of Marbury's comments about fighting back, Brown said sarcastically, "That's great. That's great."

    The feud between Marbury and Brown is turning uglier by the day, while the Knicks are becoming the NBA's biggest laughingstock on and off the court. One of the two will not be back next season and unless Brown walks away, the most logical solution is that Marbury either will be traded or released.

    Brown reiterated that he has no intention of leaving behind the final four years of his contract. But Brown continues to hint that he and Marbury can't work together because Marbury has a personal agenda, not a team one.

    "If you're the best player, surely you're going to have some effect on the outcome of a game," Brown said. "And I've said this from Day 1: I've never given anybody in my career more free rein. In my career. And I went to the conference finals (in Indiana) with Haywood Workman as a point guard. With Eric Snow, who was the fourth-string point guard in Seattle. He went to the NBA Finals (with Philadelphia).

    "I've been around guys (and) every good team, it's all about team. That's what we're going to try to get here. If you want to come and join that, that's fine. That's the only message that needs to be said. If you want to be part of a team, you want to make your teammates better, you want to care about the right things, playing the right way, it's a pretty good place to be. If you don't have that on your agenda, then it's probably a bad place to be."

    Marbury, who on Saturday said he would return to playing like "Starbury," was responding yesterday to comments Brown made on Tuesday, when the Knicks' coach told reporters to compare his resume to Marbury's.

    "If Coach is comparing his career to my career, he's got like a 20-year edge on me," Marbury said. "To me, that sounds like a lot of insecurity going on. As a man, I just look at it as, we're supposed to be trying to get better, and we're concentrating on things that I'm doing and things that he's done."

    Earlier this season, Marbury criticized Brown for taking shots at him in the newspaper. Marbury felt that Brown owed it to him to address whatever problems he had with him in private.

    "He always crosses the line," Marbury said. "That's not nothing new. But like I said at the beginning, certain coaches deal with certain things certain ways. He handles his things through the media as opposed to sitting down and talking with people.

    "And still, you sit down and talk with Coach, it's liable to get back to everybody. So you're really not safe there, either. So you're pretty much just trying to stay afloat."

    Thomas and Garden chairman James Dolan were unavailable to comment on the Marbury-Brown soap opera, which began during the 2004 Olympics when Brown lobbied USA Basketball to send Marbury home one week before the Games opened.

    The feeling inside the organization is that Brown has not done a good job this season and that Marbury's criticisms of Brown are shared by many players on the team. Of course, Marbury has a history of feuding with his coach and has worn out his welcome in Minnesota, New Jersey, Phoenix and now New York.

    "Coach is a great coach from what everyone says," Marbury said. "And we're supposed to be better than what we are. Did it happen now? No. Is it going to take time? Maybe."

    Brown said he will take "full responsibility" for the Knicks' awful record, but he also suggested that Marbury, or Starbury, should also accept some blame.

    "You're the best guard in the league and the team's 17-45?" Brown said. "Yeah, it's the coach's fault."

  4. #19
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Jersey City, NJ
    Posts
    18
    Rep Power
    0

    Default Ouch!!

    The other 11 get along
    just fine without Starbury


    The Knicks finished the game, a draining last quarter and two intense overtimes, with five players from the far end of the bench. The Garden crowd was pleading for defense by then and these unfamiliar Knicks gave it to them. And at the very end it was the other team losing the ball, losing its way.

    The score was Knicks 121, Atlanta 117, and Larry Brown was able to say after this first home win in a month, "We went to the young kids and they were phenomenal."

    Went to them and, even more surprising, stayed with them. He dumped on the regulars who gummed up the third quarter - "a horrendous quarter; (the Hawks) got any shot they wanted" - and then replaced them with his final five: Nate Robinson, David Lee, Jamal Crawford, Jackie Butler and Qyntel Woods. Not a Marbury in the bunch.

    Stephon Marbury was taken out with 61 seconds left in the third - no points from him that quarter, three assists, an offensive foul, a turnover, 0-for-2 from the foul line - and spent the rest of the night on the bench with a towel over his head. The crowd didn't miss him.

    Maybe it's had enough of the season-long war between the coach and the self-described best point guard in the league. But when the star and the coach of the worst team on 33rd St. keep throwing darts at each other - as if they both want the same parking space, as if there's a bonus for appearing in the most headlines - their next game might as well be Jeopardy: Point guards for $100, Alex.

    The tabloid crowd (and I know who I am) isn't to blame for the ongoing noise - well, not completely - and Brown and Marbury can't enjoy rehashing the season, and the toilet it went down. They can't help themselves.

    The worms in the media seem ready to crawl into a new apple but the coach and the star can't help themselves. So when Brown approached the notebooks at yesterday's shootaround the first question was about - no, not the parking space - Quentin Richardson's thumb injury.

    Better, the coach said. Or maybe he said wetter. I didn't write anything down. The office isn't covering my tolls and mileage to find out about Richardson's thumb. After that one, chit-chat time was over and from that point on it was all Marbury all the time.

    Frankly, nothing has changed. Not the answers. Not the questions. Not the obvious, that these two guys want nothing to do with each other. Can they ever get on the same page, the same billboard? Sure, but only if scientists find enough water on that Saturn moon so that Ratner of the Nets can install a fountain and bathrooms and build an arena and start a new league where the atmosphere makes three-point shots a snap.

    Marbury and Brown can't possibly be together next season. That's what the last month of the season will keep reminding people. Maybe even the Dolan person.

    "This is not an individual sport," Brown said. "Everywhere I went it's about team. I've been coaching the same way my whole life. I never had a problem getting people to understand."

    This makes Marbury one-of-a-kind. He is either tuning out his coach or, to be kind, trying too hard to score enough points to make a difference.

    Marbury's complaint is that he doesn't get enough freedom on the court. Brown argues that he's given Marbury more freedom than any other pair of shorts he's coached. They go back and forth on that, back and forth ... it's the only category the Knicks lead the league in.

    Brown has been a pro coach, at nine addresses, for just over 25 pro seasons. Not one of those teams was under .500 after his time with them. Marbury's 9 1/2 years in the league have produced two winning seasons.

    The numbers give Brown the edge. The same generous edge Brown gives himself. "Look," he said recently, "I've been coaching how many years? I never left a team in worse shape than I got it. Not one. Now think about that. Think about me and think about the guy who's talking."

    He means his point guard, his star, his Advil headache No. 1 through 62. Marbury didn't respond until yesterday's shootaround, when he let us know, "I'm not gonna let him say anything about me and not talk back. I'm not gonna take it anymore. My mother taught me 'If somebody hits you, hit them back.'"

    Here it is, the sound of Marbury hitting back: "If coach is comparing his career to my career, there's a lot of insecurity going on. We're trying to get better and he's trying to compare things I've done and things he's done. It's personal. I don't think it's about basketball any more."

    One more shot. "We're supposed to be better than we are. We're 17-and-45. You tell me, are we better now? No."

    Well, sure they're better. They're 18-and-45 now. And they got there with a towel over the point guard's head.

  5. #20
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Jersey City, NJ
    Posts
    18
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    Marbury wants to say goodbye soon

    Stephon Marbury has told at least two teammates that he expects to be traded during the offseason, according to a team source.

    Following Monday's loss to Denver, Marbury said to a teammate, "I'm out of here this summer," and added that he is looking forward to next month's exit interview with James Dolan, Isiah Thomas and Larry Brown so he can express his feelings about Brown in front of the organization's highest-ranking officials.


    Yesterday, Marbury said that he wants to continue playing for the Knicks.

    "I love New York and I believe New York loves me," Marbury said. "I'm at the point where I just want to win. I want to play in New York more than anything in this world but if that's not happening next year, I can't cry about it."

    Marbury will earn $60 million over the last three years of his contract. Trading him would be no easy chore, although there is a possibility the Knicks will attempt to negotiate a buyout. Thomas, the team president, has said repeatedly that he will try to get Brown players he wants.

  6. #21
    Newbie
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Scotland
    Posts
    7
    Rep Power
    0

    Default

    my name would indicate i'm obviously on Stephs side here- but he really does raise a good point in the article when he says its getting personal. Brown comparing careers to show his opinion counts more than Stephs its stupid. I don't care about Brown's previous record its a clean slate in NY.

    He starts from scratch as far as i'm concerned, and giving him all this leverage to do whatever the hell he likes isn't good for this ballclub. So far he has given us a diabolical record. Instead of doing what a real coach would do, and motivate his guys by finding different ways to connect to each individual and to work quietly on there flaws to make them better he decides to run to the daily news after a bad game and rip them a new one via the press. I mean i'm no coach but surely rule number one in the handbook would be never make it personal but look what he's doing!
    As long as Isiah and larry is in charge, i don't see how things are ever going to change for the better with or without Marbury.

  7. #22
    Veteran
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Posts
    1,694
    Rep Power
    11

    Default

    [quote="Trin_Starr"]. He was playing great D for LB but after exerting all that energy and not seeing the results - he's been giving up on it....
    quote]

    giving up... he is making just shy of 20m . he should be giving 100pct all the time

  8. #23
    Veteran Trin_Starr's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2004
    Location
    Trumbull, CT
    Posts
    1,093
    Rep Power
    12

    Default

    True, but in the end we are all human and succumb to the same psychological issues that affects everyone else...

  9. #24
    Knicks Guru hometheaterguy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    1,017
    Rep Power
    12

    Default

    Originally Posted by Trin_Starr
    Apparently you were not watching any games either....In the beginning of the season, LB had Steph guarding the league's top shooting guards - Vince, Ray Allen etc because of the great job he was doing, even tho he was in all cases 25lbs lighter and 4-5" shorter. He was playing great D for LB but after exerting all that energy and not seeing the results - he's been giving up on it....

    And tht's like all of us in life. You work at ur job and bust ur ass to get s**t done and when u don't get the results u expected (aka a raise) u say f**k this s**t, i'm not going to put myself thru this anymore for nothing....
    I have been to a few games a the garden and I was at the Seattle game and despite the Knicks wining, Allen toasted Marbury. He left Stephon in the dust and there wasn't anything Marbury could do. He is not a good defender at all, he is spotty at best!

Similar Threads

  1. Starbury Shoes
    By Ktrena1 in forum NY Knicks
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: Aug 20, 2006, 12:36
  2. STARBURY WARS!
    By donchris in forum NY Knicks
    Replies: 17
    Last Post: Apr 19, 2006, 16:22
  3. Joke Thread
    By rady in forum Hangout
    Replies: 28
    Last Post: Oct 03, 2004, 11:16
  4. Finally got the Starbury Mids
    By NYKnicks1 in forum NY Knicks
    Replies: 5
    Last Post: Apr 12, 2004, 15:16
  5. Starbury Mid's!
    By keyindabox in forum NY Knicks
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: Mar 30, 2004, 17:31

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •