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    it's all but confirmed now. an Eastern Conference Executive has confirmed that he was assured Larry will be gone and Isiah will be in.
    take that for what it's worth

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    That article about Larry Brown is very well written. I have never liked this guy, he loves one thing only $$$$. He pulled the sheets over everything related to a Knick and their fans. He was horrible from the start. Changing his lineups too much, not playing young guys and going to the media with his problems instead of dealing with them internally. He is horrible man, just like the Pistons owner stated.

    The Knicks Roster is by far not the Second worst in the League, it just takes a "players coach" to lead them. A coach who will give the team room to breathe and let them run. Which Brown wouldn't let happen!

    Eddy Curry is only 23 and will continue to get better
    Jerome James is 30 and was in Browns dog house from day 1

    Mo Taylor should not be playing
    David Lee is a rising role player who does the dirty work, he should be getting all the minutes that went to guys like Taylor and Malik Rose
    Malik Rose is hard nosed player with some good value still
    Channing Frye should have started every game
    Jackie Butler a young low post pressence

    Jalen Rose can score, perfect sixth man
    Jamal Crawford came on strong late in the season
    Quentin Richardson looked great as a Sun, terrible as a Knick wants to run
    Qyntel Woods good big SF/SG type role player

    Stephon Marbury can play with any PG in the league
    Steve Francis once known as the Franchise needs some love
    Nate Robinson was in Browns dog house a lot

    The Knicks have talent and they can run! So why did Larry Brown not let them run this year at all! He would cry they can't rebound, but Lee attacks the boards strongly, Richardson is WAY above average in the rebounding department, Butler looked good on the boards!

    Now you add two of the top 30 players in the draft coming into the mix, YOU NEED A COACH WHO CAN relate to his players. Brown is not good at coaching rookies or younger players. His head games can really wear out a team. This is a deep team right now and they will be adding two of the best college players to the fold.

    What they need to do is try and get an INTIMIDATOR on defense. Kenyon Martin is that guy and the Nuggets need Guards and the Knicks have a whole bunch of them or draft picks in which they can move. Remember Kenyon before his knee injury he has had for most of the year, the guy is a fierce competitor and he can ball.

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    How can you give any coach only one season two prove himself with a terrible lineup??? Even a Hall of Fame coach like Larry Brown needs more than one season to turn things around. Say whatever you want about LB, the man has won a NCAA championship and a NBA championship. How many other coaches have done that?? I don't know, but it has to be a short list. What's Isiah Thomas' coaching resume??? I know he was a great player, but the best coaches are not the best players.

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    Isiah did help develop young players like O'neal, Tinsley, Artest, Miller, Harrington when he coached the Pacers. Two straight years the teams that eliminated the Pacers went on to represent the East in the NBA Finals. Thomas won his fair share of games with the Pacers and if anything he has proven to develop young players. The Knicks are very young and they will only get younger since they have two picks in the Top 30 this year in the draft.

    The first thing about Larry Brown you have to look at his how has he become a Knicks coach. First during his last season with the Pistons he went on record saying how the Knicks was his dream job. Then during the playoffs he was in talks to become Director of the Cavs team and was seen in Cleveland looking at houses to possibly buy. He showed the Pistons no loyality! Then instead of resigning which the Pistons owner was expecting he would do, larry brown instead went on record saying he hopes he could be back to coach the Pistons, when EVERYONE knew it was impossible that larry brown would go back to coach the Pistons. Instead, Brown forced the Pistons to buy out his contract. Then a few days later he signed a huge contract with the Knicks. Pistons owner went on record and said that larry brown is a bad person.

    As I pointed out above, the Knicks roster is not terrible. The one thing it is is very, very young! So Larry Brown in my opinion is not the guy to take this team back to the Playoffs. Larry Brown set a record for the most lineups in the history of the NBA! He constantly went to the media to bash the roster, bash players.

    Larry Brown is the only one to coach a title in the NBA and NCAA teams to title. But the Pistons team was already back to back 50 win seasons when he replaced Rick Carlise. The Pistons were not doing that great, then they brought Rasheed Wallace on board and then the Pistons went off and so did the Pistons and they won the Title!

    Larry Brown just wants his bank account to get deeper, this is all he cares about! He took the Knicks to the cleaners! Now he will be heading to Cali to coach a team willing to pay him silly money!

    He is the most over-rated over-hyped coach in all of sports! He comes on board just when he sees something positive is going to happen, he then bails just as he knows the ship is going to sink. All along thinking, he needs more money! He is a bum, always has been and I have personally never liked this guy!

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    IMO LB is one of the best coaches of all time. He has won at every level of competition. Granted he has always stepped into a situation that has afforded him that luxury, each of those teams still needed someone to coach them. No one can say for sure that someone else could have duplicated his success. Fact of the matter is each team under LB won in LB's system. The pieces may have already been in place, but they still had to fit into his coaching style.

    Not taking away from LB's success, but LB and his system is clearly NOT the suitable choice for the players we have right now. We should have never signed him. The game and rules have changed. The NBA is moving towards a faster, more offensive minded game. Both of these factors are polar opposites of what LB preaches to his teams. Dolan & Thomas were both lured into the hype surrounding LB. He was a big name coach, who wanted to coach for his hometown. What's not to love about that. Everyone would have loved this situation to work out but it didn't.

    Now were cutting ties with LB. If LB does accept a buyout at $25MM for the remaining 4yrs, then he will go down in history as the most expensive coach ever...we would have effectively paid him $35MM for only 1 yr of service.

    Rumor has it that Isaiah is going to fill the soon to be vacant coaching position. Like every GM, Isaiah assembled the pieces that we have with a vision. Some say that he was trying to build the Knicks in the image of the Pistons that he once played on. Now that he's the coach, let's see if he can deliver.

    Everybody realizes that we have a problem and that something needs to be done. You cannot blame Dolan b/c he is just the owner. He may be irresponsible at times and shows poor judgement quite often but all he does is sign the checks. If anyone needs to be held accountable for the direction of our team it always has to come down to the GM. The General Manager is responsible for all Basketball Operations decisions. Dolan isn't advising Isaiah or Layden (for that matter) to pull the trigger on any of their transactions...it's the other way around. Dolan has given his GM's free reign to do what they feel is best for our franchise.

    If things are going to change, it has to be from the top. We need to bring in a new GM. Both Isaiah and Layden weren't the right choice. Let's just hope that the third time's a charm.

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    hoop good points. I will have to agree to disagree with you though on LB. Like you said, EVERY chance he got, he had a beautiful situation to coach in. How did Kansas feel after he left them in probation? Or the UCLA team he decided to walk away from? The SPurs drafted quite possibly the most athletic Center to ever play the game in David Robinson, not to mention Sean Elliot.

    Larry Brown is a good teacher of the game. But he is bull headed and has the NBA's biggest ego. He basically stole money from the Pistons and he is going to do it even worse to the Knicks.

    The GM does not coach he brings players and Isiah has turned a roster of old, non athletic players into a young athletic team. BUT, Larry Brown just could not coach this team. Just look at his Olympic coaching! Amare never left the bench, yet he went on last year to put up SICK numbers. Lebron barely smelled the court. Carmelo who is a good jump shooter never left the bench.

    I agree what you say though, the NBA is changing and this is good. We need to see more offense. Larry Brown to me is a bad person and he is after one thing, MONEY! He does not have a dream job cause his only dream is himself and his bank account! he is a jerk....

    When it is all said and done, the coach is responsable for the end product. The Knicks record is not cause they dont have talent, they have loads of it! Mo Taylor cant guard anyone anymore, but LB loves him! He cries he didnt have rebounding, but every time I saw David Lee, that dude was playing CRAZY on the boards. LB yanks players so quick the Knicks were always looking over their shoulders! He also wanted to Micromanage to this team death! Did he do it on purpose with the hope he could eventually be both the coach and the GM? We will never know!

    Isiah really helped the careers of the young pacers a few years back, and the Knicks are about to get younger with two more draft picks coming on board!

    LB over rated...

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    I would have copied the comment but I really don't want such idiotic words tarnishing my comments. If you claim to be a Knicks fan you must support the team. You may not like certain players or coaches or GM's but you must support the team if you are what you say you are. All this talk about Isiah going to do a bad job should not come out of the mouths or keystrokes of real Knicks fans! No one here is a real Isiah Thomas fan. Hell, most of you guys aren't old enough to remember when Thomas was playing. I was a small kid then. But guy like me and guys like 15 and Rady are real Knicks fans. We want Isiah to succeed because right now it's the best option for the team.

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    i still dont get out any of you people who actualy read that article can still sit around saying he's the best caoch of all time. he's a lowlife. i really think he purposely pulled all this bull**** with the media, the 45 different starting lineups, and just being a complete ******* to his players in hopes of something like this happening. because now he's getting paid all this money to get fired. sh*t i wish my boss was that nice, hand me a 25 million dollar check just to walk out the door.

    heres the article again for any of you fools who didnt take the time to read it and just keep coming in here giving us the most pathetic excuses on why he's the best coach ever...

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    WAKE THE F*CK UP!!! LARRY WAS GONNA SCREW THE KNICKS OVER JUST LIKE HE DID EVERY OTHER TEAM HE EVER "LEAD"

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    Brown was the wrong coach for this team...that is 100% true. So why was he hired then?? Cause this team is run by absolute idiots. I didn't want the guy here for that reason, but when he came, I admit that I thought it'd work cause I thought he'd take the roster he had and make it work. I saw him take a very bad team (I dont care what that article said...George Lynch, Tryone Hill, Ratliff, Kukoc, and Snow are NOT cream of the crop guys) and take them to the finals. He got the team to buy into the concept of letting AI be the man. So...I thought he'd do that with the Knicks, but instead he went on with his normal practice of singing the praises of opponents while belittling his own guys. Absolute bum.

    As for all this talk about letting these guys run. They can run all the want but none of these guys can play any defense. To run you need a shot blocker and rebounder who can make things happen on the defensive end. You need guys that can cause turnovers with steals. None of this exists on the Knicks roster right now. We'll see if they can get any of these type of guys.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    I would have copied the comment but I really don't want such idiotic words tarnishing my comments. If you claim to be a Knicks fan you must support the team. You may not like certain players or coaches or GM's but you must support the team if you are what you say you are. All this talk about Isiah going to do a bad job should not come out of the mouths or keystrokes of real Knicks fans! No one here is a real Isiah Thomas fan. Hell, most of you guys aren't old enough to remember when Thomas was playing. I was a small kid then. But guy like me and guys like 15 and Rady are real Knicks fans. We want Isiah to succeed because right now it's the best option for the team.
    Are you on hallucinogenic drugs ?

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    You can't blame the GM for the coaches failures just because you dont like the GM. Most of us thought Brown was the man for the job. It appears that we were wrong and a select few of you guys that said Brown would crush this team were right. I'll give you that. Still Isiah now has an awsome oppertunity to redeem him self buy coaching this squad and bringing them to a play off level.

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    Originally Posted by sxmarbury516
    u guys think what u want... me personally would be thrilled to see isiah take over. he's on espn's top 10 greatest point guards ever....
    How can you possibly quote ESPN and overlook what they had to say about the captains of this titanic debacle ?? Please extract your head from Isiah Thomas' butt:

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    my head aint no where near isiash's a$$. he's made plenty of f*ckin mistakes as gm. jerome james... mistake. larry brown... mistake. trading kurt thomas for q-rich.... mistake. trading nazr for malik rose... mistake. belive me im not saying he's been a great gm. im saying if anyone can get us back into the playoffs next year its him. so stop making all these posts that dont have any truth behind them. cuz honestly ur startin 2 look like even more a jackass than u actually are. or r u?

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    Originally Posted by sxmarbury516
    u guys think what u want... me personally would be thrilled to see isiah take over. he's on espn's top 10 greatest point guards ever. the guy knows the game. he brought in a lot of talent and then a good coach (but not the right coach 4 the team) now its on him to make it mesh. if this does happen i bet u anything the knicks will be destined to make the playoffs.
    Gees...no one is saying Isiah isn't an HOF player. He is and that's well established. It's just plain as day though that he's a freakin moron off the court. Everywhere he's gone he's made a mess. The Raptors...The CBA...the way he coached the Pacers, and now here with the Knicks. Only difference in this situation is that Isiah has got his lips so firmly planted on Dolan's ass that he can't seem to get fired.

    And honestly...if you thnk this team can make the playoffs you're nuts. Isiah had FAR more superior teams during his 2 seasons in Indy, and he BARELY made it in with them.

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    dolan does not only sign the checks. any deals made by isiah must also be approved by him. some of you guys don't give him enough of the blame, probably because he's rarely in the public eye. but trust me, he does more than just sign checks in the background. correct me if i'm wrong but i heard that allan houston got that big fat contract which no other team would offer because houston and dolan are bend over buddies. and we all know the affect that contract had on the knicks!

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