I don't have disdain for the knicks, I detest how the organization is being run. I would love for the Knicks to bring another title to NY but my belief is that it won't happen with Isiah and Marbury at the helm.
Prodigy you are right teams and players need time to develop. So why couldn't KG and Marbury develop together in Minn. They would have been a monster force in the west.
What the hell was the problem?
What made Minn. decide to trade Marbury?
Kidd also does have 2 eastern conference titles and 2 NBA fianls appearences.
Marbury has none.
Again, Marbury is a great player his stats speak for themselves...that is not the issue. The issue is his ability to step and be a leader , to step at crunch time and lead this team into the playoffs, then the eastern conference finals and finally to an NBA championship.
Stephon Marbury has not shown this kind of ability in the past. So...what makes you think he will show it now?
minnesota traded stephon because marbury demanded a trade. he was young and had his reasons for wanting to leave.
j-kidd has 2 eastern conference titles from when the east was weak. then nj got embarrased in the finals both years. not to mention he has played in the league for 3 years longer than marbury. he didnt make it to the eastern conference finals until 01-02. it took him 8 years to do it. it took payton 16 years to finally win a championship. it's not always about how good the player, its about how good the team the player is on.
I hate to jump back in on this but what game are you guys watching??? Steph even in the top 5 PG's in the league??? Pay not play for sure. This love of Marbury must be a hometown thing. I guess I get that, but the rest of the country is laughing at this debacle. Ask any NBA coach, vet, or anylst and the will tell you the sign of any great player is how he makes the guys around him better. I'll take Charlie Ward or Greg Anthony type any day. C.I.P. how can you even critisize a two sport superstar like Charlie Ward. How many Heisman winners go on to start for any NBA team let alone the Knicks. Prodegy must mean you are too young to have seen any of Charlie's football or b-ball exploits.
Jason Kidd doesn't have 2 finals appearances and 2 conference championship appearaces....the NJ Nets roster did...not just jason kidd. Again winning should go as a collective award to the team roster instead of just one player. That's not fair to the rest of the roster nor to Starbury
So What Is He Waiting For!!!!!?????
More on why Marbury is the problem read this:
it's on Hoophype. Basically Q-Rich doesn't like Marbury . He is now one more Knick that has tried to fight Stephon Marbury.
Thomas made a draft-day trade last year, acquiring Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson's draft rights from the Phoenix Suns for Kurt Thomas. Richardson, who could be traded despite a bad back, is a shooter in a league that lacks such skilled players. He also showed a willingness to play defense and nearly got into a locker-room fight with Stephon Marbury.
That made Richardson a favorite of Brown and immediately placed him on the endangered list. Just ask Kurt Thomas, Tim Thomas, Keith Van Horn and Dikembe Mutombo what happens when you get on Marbury's bad side. Or just ask Brown.
Why can't Marbury just go the way of the Dodo???
kurt thomas, tim thomas, keith van horn, and mutombo, and yea id even say q-rich arent worthy to start @ their position. did u watch them when they played with the knicks? they all with the exception of kurt played completely awful. and they use marbury as an excuse for their poor play. out of the players u named how many of them are still on a starting line-up??? 0. and thats on different teams. that doesnt tell u anything about who was right? would kurt have been able to lead the knicks to the post-season had marbury never been traded. it sure wasnt looking that way.
i dunno doc this is the last chance for isiah and i wouldnt doubt it being the last chance for steph. but i honestly think theyll pass the test.
I like Kurt Thomas. Tim Thomas has a nice playoff run. Mutombo's time has passed. Van horn is the softest 6-11 player on the planet. That being said, why on earth would I want to ask them ANYTHING about nba personnel? I mean the Knicks were really tearing it up with those guys in the lineup, huh?
Steph didn't get Larry Frontrunner canned, Larry Frontrunner's mouth got him fired!!
Like Steph, I grew up in Brooklyn. You don't allow people to slap you and not slap them back.
If Richardson had a problem with Steph, I'll give it some merit. I wonder if that spat coinsided with Q starting to play some good defense...
Q a favorite of Larry Frontrunner because of his beef with Steph?
The enemy of my enemy is my friend...
Steph had nothing to do with the state of the Timberwolves franchise. To blame him for that is ridiculous!! i guess it was his idea to tamper with Joe Smith, too...
Q-Rich shouldn't be on this team....we should still have kurt thomas alongside eddy curry in the post so we would have some interior defense. Not only did we get a trigger happy SF that has mediocre defense at best but we added another guard which at the time was great but now looking at it on hindsight was horrible. I like Nate Rob but there aren't enough minutes to go around when you have 3 talented combo guards that play above you. We should have kept Kurt Thomas in my opinion
Your right rookie but heine sight is 20/20. We traded Thomas before we got Curry last year. Which at the time was a questionable move. Isiah was looking for another young gunner. I thought the move was great last summer. No one knew it would take Q this long to fit in. But you do have a point I seriously doubt that we'd lose 49 games with Kurt Thomas on the boards.
So if Marbury died or was traded away, the knicks would have a better chance of winning the Eastern Division next season. Remember every team he was traded from made the playoffs after his
Let's not start this again, Marbury is not the reason we're not making the playoffs...that's just stupid to even mention. One player doesn't decide who makes the playoffs or not...it's a collective effort and starbury is our best player. But staying on the subject...when we traded kurt thomas with that current roster...we traded the only bruiser type of foward. We traded our only interior defender for some scorers...we didn't need that...that's why our interior D is so horrible now