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    I'll show you proof...The things that starbury sacrificed (in order) for the whole season. Also at the beginning of the season he said he would sacrifice his game for the sake of winning.
    1. Shot Attempts
    2. The ball in the clutch
    3. His role as the clear number 1 scoring option
    4. Minutes
    5. His entire style of play

    Steve Francis as a rocket conformed with Van Gundy's style of play but they still clashed in the media. Here are the things he sacrificed...
    1. Shot attempts thus scoring avg.
    2. His entire style of play
    3. Relenquished most of his touches to Yao

    He also put more effort into defense and gained weight and lost his hops in the process just so he could take the banging of west coast guards. These are the facts followed with my opinions as usual...interpret them as you will....

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    What an impudent ass! Not only am I not simple, I can see your attempts to bait me and go beyond them. The fact is that I care not for the basketball media
    and do NOT read their columns as a rule, because they are not accurate and always have their own hidden agendas. When there is a major piece of news, not rumor, I will take a look. I am no manipulated puppet for Peter Vecsey or
    Marc Berman, or the NY Times crew. I have some very nasty exchanges in my email with Vecsey. I must have touched a raw nerve with that guy, because he responded two times to messages I sent him critical of his handling of the Brown-Knicks fiasco. You are barking up the wrong tree. as usual, because you want to categorize me, pigeon hole my ideas, and make me less than human in other peoples' minds here. Trouble is that you just are
    too smart in your own eye's and really NOT smart enough to pull it off. The Dapper Don has crashed again.

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    hahaha well I don't know what that was all about but the title of this is IT: Mastermind or Menace....he put together a roster that could contend in the playoffs...that is no question. When we lose...that's not isiah's fault...that was LB's fault for not conforming to the roster and coaching with his stubborn ways. He was dumb in numerous occassions...
    1. Played a half court offense with one of the most athletic teams in the league.
    2. Limited the arguably best scoring point guard in the game by telling him to slow the tempo and pass the ball around more...knowing that the knicks win when Marbury scores 22+ pts.
    3. Benched our best scorer in clutch situations.
    4. Bashed a hot headed team in the media...this isn't an old veteran knick team that can absorb coach criticism from the likes of pat riley, this is a young, combustible roster that if clapped at will clap back. LB knew this and did it anyways.
    5. The lineup was changed 40+ times
    6. Neogotiated trades behind the CEOs of the organization (breach in contract)
    7. Forced a system on a roster that is the complete opposite of what the players do...he should have at least met half way and we would have won more games doing it.
    8. Coached like a confused little boy in elementary school instead of a hall of fame coach. I don't care if you love or hate LB...you must agree that herb williams could take us to more wins than LB did last year! No Question
    9. Oks trades that he soon later regrets and benches the freshly brought in talent with out giving a fair assessment.
    10. Plays Mind games with players such as Marbury and Ariza

    Did I leave off anything??

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    Allen, with the draft that just passed, I would have chosen Eddy Curry #1 overall, and so would all those GMs who supposedly would not make that trade! I mean, isn’t it possible that Isiah saw that the draft would be weak this year? I did! Nobody knew Noah would lead Florida that far, and he didn’t come out anyway! There is no clear-cut star in this draft, and Eddy Curry is better than any big man in this draft, hands down!
    The question is whether Isiah is a mastermind or a menace. I think the man is answering the question with every move he makes. The key to his methods is the long-term implications of his moves. He took an aging roster that was over the cap and made it into a young, talented team that is over the cap. Which would you rather have? He did all of this in spite of the fact there was no cap room and every team in the league tried to give him the shaft, knowing he had to make moves and thus forced him to accept contracts he would normally turn down. So far, the only bad move he made was the signing of Jerome James, and he had to out bid other teams to get him based on James’ performance vs. Sacramento in the playoffs the year before! It all goes back to the impatient nature of Knick fans, their seeming inability to see past the immediate season. Thankfully, Isiah does not bow to the pressure of the New York fans and goes about his business in a manner best suited to help this organization.
    It’s your world Isiah, to hell with your critics, do what’s right for the Knicks. True Knick fans know the deal!

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    Speak the truth playa! I agree 100%. True Knick fans will follow...you provided excellent reasons behind each point by which you can't help but believe. That's right true knick fans will follow and the bandwagon knick fans will keep crying...

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    Finesse you do make some good points but I will reiterate that the least Isiah should have done was protect our first round pick, that moev should have been a no brainer but on top of that give chicago the right to sawp picks next year is as equally stupid.

    We could have had Eddy Curry without giving up all of that.

    Wouldn't it have been nice to have Tyrus Thomas along side Eddy Curry?

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    Originally Posted by MSG-THREE-RING-CIRCUS
    Here, reason this ...

    Because most of you have your heads way too far up Isiah Thomas’ ass to figure anything out for yourselves, here’s an honest answer to your question along with FACTS to back them up rather than me just slamming this site to pieces.

    First of all The 1 and Only, and I stress the word ONLY people who agree with you on the subject of Isiah Thomas are YOU and the rest of the painfully senseless jock strap wannabes on this site, who for some reason continue overlook the FACT, not just my opinion, that Jim Dolan who knows nothing or cares anything about the game of basketball has, in his infinite stupidity, put a LOSER with a track record the likes Isiah Thomas in charge of the Knicks as the sole brain trust as team President, GM and Coach. The rest of the sports world disagrees with AAAAAALL OF YOUUUUUUUU! They don’t disagree with MEEEEE!! They DISAGREE WITH YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!

    To better understand just how stupid of a decision this was, some history is obviously needed for those who are just ignorant of some basic FACTS ... Isiah Thomas, as then part Owner and Executive VP of the Toronto Raptors single handedly drove the Raptors into the ground. Isiah Thomas then went on to DRIVE THE ENTIRE CBA LEAGUE INTO BANKRUPCTY, a trend that he’s been very successful and well on the way of implementing as GM for the Knicks.

    After having successfully killed the Raptors and the CBA, Thomas then went on to coach of the Indiana Pacers, who in three seasons went 131-115 losing all three years in the first round of the playoffs. In August 2003 Isiah Thomas was PROMPTLY FIRED by team president Larry Bird.

    After having amassed an abominable track record with Toronto, the CBA and the Pacers, Jim Dolan then went out and hired Thomas as GM and President. Thomas, then armed with Jim Dolan’s wallet went into a trading frenzy for two years bringing everyone from Mick Mouse to Donald Duck onto team as long as they were part of his little homey crew, only to amass even nearly as many losses in TWO years with the Knicks than he did in THREE with the Pacers (108 vs.113)!!

    The difference between the Knicks and the Pacers is that the Pacers had a GM who was not a RETARD, and Larry Bird promptly FIRED ISIAH THOMAS, who at the time was not under FEDERAL INDICTMENT for SEXUAL HARRASSMENT I might add. So, what does Jim Dolan do?? Rather than FIRE ISIAH THOMAS he promotes him to COACH!! AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!! Talk about the retarded leading the retarded. According to EVERY sports writer and commentator in AMERICAAAAAA these two idiots are the biggest joke of the NBA, as are all of those on this site who support them.

    Have I mentioned that Isiah Thomas is under FEDERAL INDICTMENT for SEXUAL HARRASSMENT?? Oh yea I said that already, sorry. Well, it’s been nice speaking with all of you again. Enjoy the smell of Isiah Thomas’s crotch and, have a nice day!
    You're way off base. I respect your opinion but the sexual harassment suit has ZERO to do with Thomas' ability or inability to run a team. Further more those that are against Thomas like to point out the CBA but do any of you know the entire situation. The media never really tells the whole story and honestly I do not know the situation. Only what the media reports on it. I could be wrong but I'm willing to bet that is the extent of your knowledge as well on the subject. Your point about the Raptors WRONG! Thomas built a solid team around T Mac Camby and Carter. So I conclude that you really have no point. You just hate Thomas. That's your opinion and that’s fine but realize that others may not share your hatred and please respect their opinions.


    Originally Posted by os2wiz
    What an impudent ass! Not only am I not simple, I can see your attempts to bait me and go beyond them. The fact is that I care not for the basketball media
    and do NOT read their columns as a rule, because they are not accurate and always have their own hidden agendas. When there is a major piece of news, not rumor, I will take a look. I am no manipulated puppet for Peter Vecsey or
    Marc Berman, or the NY Times crew. I have some very nasty exchanges in my email with Vecsey. I must have touched a raw nerve with that guy, because he responded two times to messages I sent him critical of his handling of the Brown-Knicks fiasco. You are barking up the wrong tree. as usual, because you want to categorize me, pigeon hole my ideas, and make me less than human in other peoples' minds here. Trouble is that you just are
    too smart in your own eye's and really NOT smart enough to pull it off. The Dapper Don has crashed again.
    Now to my SHADDOW. I'm not sure what your deal is. I'd think that a man with your vocabulary would understand that an individual that has an opinion other or different than yours is not trying to discredit you. It is impossible to discredit you simply because you have no credibility. NONE! You stay on attack mode to the point that your attacks take away from what ever point you were originally trying to make. The only conclusion one could make after reading your posts is that you are an angry person with little basket ball knowledge and no real point to make at all. Tone your anger down and try to make some sense. And remember not all of us are going to agree with you. Simple as that. Your arrogance blinds you to the fact the other people know what they are talking about and have different views than your own. Remember arrogance is very similar to ignorance.

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    We all know that Isiah can make good trades or bad trades but he should have been fired for that Larry Brown thing. Larry is a good coach but every good coach can fit in with their new team. Isiah should have known not hire Larry from when he was having problems with Iverson. Isiah have to learn the hard way and found out that Larry's coaching doesn't match with Marbury's playin.

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    You completely miss the point again, which comes as no surprise. The point being that NO ONE IN THE NBA WOULD HIRE ISIAH THOMAS in any position other than ball boy, except for head idiot of the Knicks, Jim Dolan that is.

    Facts are facts. Do some research on Thomas and the CBA.

    Here's another article for all of you Thomas lovers. Get your heads out of your asses please. Your making Knicks fans look like retards.

    August 2, 2006 -- The NBA schedule maker must have majored in cruel irony. The first opportunity to chant "Fire Isiah" will occur Nov. 4 when the Knicks stage their Garden opener against Larry Bird's Pacers - the last and only other club Isiah Thomas has guided as head coach.

    Thomas spent three seasons coaching the Pacers, from 2000 to 2003, losing in the first round of the playoffs for three straight years. After logging a 131-115 clip, Bird took command and almost immediately gave Thomas his walking papers in the summer of 2003.

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    Isiah Thomas to Use Mental Retardation Defense in Sexual Harassment Case

    "New York Knicks president Isiah Thomas will fight charges of sexual harassment from a former team employee by claiming innocence by reason of mental retardation, his attorney stated today.

    “It’s going to be impossible for any jury to look at Isiah’s body of work since his playing career ended and conclude anything other than the obvious: Isiah Thomas suffers from severe mental retardation,” said Philip Walters, Thomas’s lawyer. “As such, he can not be held accountable for his actions.”

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    ... Now to my SHADDOW. I'm not sure what your deal is. I'd think that a man with your vocabulary would understand that an individual that has an opinion other or different than yours is not trying to discredit you. It is impossible to discredit you simply because you have no credibility. NONE! ...
    And I would think that someone with all of the research and details that you have would be smart enough to place the blame for the Knicks sorry state of affairs squarely where they belong. Don't loose sight of the forest because of the trees. I only stay on attack mode against people who keep trying to shift the blame away from Dolan and Thomas. In the immortal word of the pickle:

    "I’m a longtime Knicks fan and I don’t know how any Knicks fan could come to a different conclusion.”

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    Don't take it personally ...


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    Put it this way, ISIAH MUST GO!!!!!

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    Very well put ! God Bless you man. LOL

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    Originally Posted by brooklyn_baller
    Put it this way, ISIAH MUST GO!!!!!
    must go if the knicks miss playoffs this year

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    Must go now.

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