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    Francis is a liability on D. Say Jeffries does help Francis and they 2-1 a larger SG.. that leaves the SF open. OR if Jeffries takes the larger guard and Francis guards someone hell be matched against a SF. not going to work.

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    It's called team defense. A quick double team and the defense reacts to the ball...we have a fast enough team to recover but francis will stay in front of his man at ease...it's the size differential that'll possilbly kill us. But that's only when they post him up and that's when we'll double...

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    i know whats it called.. but youll have Eddy who is too slow. Jeffries occupied leaving both steph and steve too short in height and wingspan to guard the SF. Then if channing leaves his position youll have a PF/C wide open. I just think itll be too difficult. It could all be simply fixed if we let Q or JC play the SG

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    For the last couple of years...who hasn't been a liability at the 2? It's all in the concept of team defense. Something we didn't do at all last year. You're always going to have some type of mismatch on D. You just have to make best of what you have. If steve can stay in front of his man...that's all we can hope for. If someone like VC would come over and post him up then marbury or Jeffries would come and double thus the our defensive scheme would shift as the ball would rotate to the weakside aka team defense. Steve is not a defensive liabilty. He will be if he can't receive help from his teammates just as if jeffries didn't recieve help or the likes of Frye or anyone else on the team. Defense is a team concept not a 1 on 1 match. So the only liablity is the team giving in to the team defensive concept. Right now JC is best to come off the bench and let steve start. JC was a spark off the bench for us last year and hopefully he'll do the same this year. Starting JC not only evaporates our only instant offense off the bench at the SG spot but it'll hurt steve's game also. Steve isn't coming off the bench...period

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    Didnt say have him come off the bench.. I dont think Steve should come off the bench.. I think he should be traded

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    Well that's far fetched because we all know he won't get traded until he gets a chance. Like what I said, Isiah is doing the best thing in giving steve a chance before he trades him. Besides...there is a reason why no one wants Q-Rich (for the exception of portland) and that's because he's injury proned and his back isn't getting any better.

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    Default Whod I keep

    I would keep the following players;

    1)Channing Frye
    2)David Lee
    3)Nate Robinson
    4)Renaldo Balkman
    5) Q Woods (WOULD BRING HIM BACK)

    Not so sure
    1)Jalen Rose
    2)Jeffries
    3) Ime Udoka


    Definatley Gone
    1)MARBURY (Overpaid, Bitchy, Not team player, Ball Hog)
    2)CRAWFORD (Overpaid, Soft, Weak Defense)
    3)FRANCIS (Overpaid)
    4)CURRY (Overpaid, Soft in the paint, Lazy, unfocused)
    5)TAYLOR (Overpaid, Lazy, Ball hog, never seen a shot he dont like)
    6)Malik Rose (Overpaid, not flexible)
    7)Q Rich(Overpaid, Injury prone, no D anymore, too much of a jump shooter)
    8) Mardy Collins

    Remember statistical fact, teams improve greatly once Marbury has left.....

    Dre

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    Hummm. Are we talking fantasy ball now cause that's the only way you'd get rid of the entire team. Congradulations you just took 100 million off the cap. You'd be GM of the year if you could bull that off. I really need to see what Marbury can do this year under new leadership. The same goes for the whole team. The problem with this line up is there are too many guys that need to score to be affective. The offense should go through Curry. Curry is not over paid. I believe his contract expires next year so a new contract will be deturmined by his performance this year. This is one of a few reasons why I expect to see alot from Curry this coming season.

    Marbury's contract is good through 08/09 which means, contrary to popular beleif he will be tradable one year from now, when there is only one year remaining on his contract. For this reason I believe we will see more out of Marbury as well. In response to an other posting, I've said it before, the guards got to gooooo!!!!!

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    James, Malik, Jalen,Mo Taylor, Marbury

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    Default This is a tough one...

    The guys most of us would like to see go ain’t goin’ nowhere [Steph, James], although I would keep Steph no matter what. I here a lot of clamoring for Q-Rich to get missing, but I don’t think he’s shown us his true shooting game yet, and I think we’ll like to see him light it up. Malik Rose has a desirable contract, so we can’t just cut him, and that goes for the other desirable contracts as well. If I understand it correctly, we can dress 12 and roster 15, with 3 deactivated. If that’s the case, the answer is clear, we keep them all!!
    The rotation, however, will be a little easier to determine. Here’s my thoughts on that:
    1) Marbury, Crawford, Robinson
    2) Francis, Q-Rich, Marbury, Collins, Robinson
    3) Jeffries, Balkman, J. Rose
    4) Frye, Lee, Jeffries, Taylor, M. Rose
    5) Curry, James, Frye
    Naturally, some of these guys are interchangeable [Q-Rich, J. Rose, Jeffries, Frye, Marbury, Francis, etc.]. And, of course, playing time will be determined by production, with some continuity with some players.
    As to who gets deactivated, some guys will make that choice easy [Jerome James comes to mind]. Qyntel Woods signing would change that, in which case I would seriously consider eating Jerome James contract. But since he is the only true backup center, I’d let Mo Taylor go.
    Udoka is simply the odd man out. Sorry!!
    The fact that Larry Frontrunner is white had nothing to do with why he and Steph clashed. The fact that Larry Frontrunner trashed him in the papers is. If Steph has a problem with white coaches, he’s an idiot. That would mean he has a problem with white authority figures, and he’s in the wrong country for that trash. He’d better get traded to the ABA [African Basketball Association].
    Relax, I’m a black man!!

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    I'm feeling that rotation and yea the race issue was a dumb excuse and a lie for the reason why he clashed with LB...that's just ridic

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    I would love to have this question answered for me.

    Why do alot of you keep clinging to Stephon Marbury?

    He is never going to be the leader that the KNICKS need at that position. If Marbury was a true leader and have the capability he would have shown it by now. Someone on here said that he should mature this season. Dawg, he is over 30. If he was going to be mature he would have shown that by now dont you think? Its not like this his him 2-4 years removed from Georgia Tech. He has all the offensive talent you could want out of a PG, but he has never really fully learned to trust his teammates its evident if you watch the games. He'll start to trust them for a while and for a bit do what the coaches ask. But if it starts to sputter a bit, he gets into F that mode and wants to go back to being "STARBURY" and then complains when he cannot.

    Yeah I know he is a New Yorker and all that but he is hurting this team more than he is helping it. Atleast Nate is still young and you can more mold him out of it, he needs to take on more like Muggsy Bouges and stop taking bad shots.

    But getting back to Steph I no longer get the point of the love affair. It was cool when he first came getting one of our own back on the team, with his talent. But after this Larry Brown fiasco all that luster to me is just gone. I would trade him in a second if I knew of a team dumb enough to pay out that contract. I would rather have Iverson and his off court problems, which Steph does not have as much. But atleast AI brings it harder than Steph every single night. Now Isiah's ass is on the line if this team has a losing record after 30 games, dont expect him to be in the building much longer.

    This entire team was put together badly whole lot of talent, no drive. Whole lot of money, not worth it. And the personalities clash way too much. Not to mention not taking the Allan Houston exemption whereas you could have saved money. This team has yet to get a decent SG since Earl and Clyde.

    Im just so pissed my boyhood team has fallen this hard so fast after being in the finals less than 10yrs ago. And always atleast made the playoffs. Now they are the butt of every joke. Maybe we do need to draft, Lance Armstrong for disaster relief.

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    It's not a clinging to certain player...you have to think like a GM in this situation. Me...if I'm trading a bonifide superstar...guess who I want in return, a bonifide superstar or players with equal talent in return. Trading Marbury or Francis now...you aren't going to get the equal value of talent. Everyone wants to relieve cap...well that's great, but trading these guys will leave gaps in our roster deeper than the grand canyon. Again marbury is not the problem, he's given us 20pts 8 assists every except last year and we all know why he didn't excel last year. The roster is pretty much set. Let's just see what damage we can do this year...Atlantic Div...watch out, i think the NYK might be ready to take their division back...

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    I'm definitely feeling Isiah's idea of having a lineup composed of:

    PG- Stephon Marbury
    SG- Steve Francis
    SF- Jared Jeffries
    PF- Channing Frye
    C- Eddy Curry

    This young athletic lineup can destroy most eastern conference teams with it's size and most western conference teams with it's athleticism. Jared Jeffries is another guy that can help steve francis on bigger guards on the helpside double or an opportunity for a helpside block. This lineup is a potent, athletic lineup and in my opinion it's one of the top 5 starting 5 in the eastern conference. I smell playoffs already...
    I like your optimism but let's not get ahead of our selves. This is very much an experiment and a working progress. There are alot of unknowns. Will Steph become a shadow of what Isiah once was as a player? Will Mabury and Francis mesh? Will Curry dominate the game and will the defense run through Curry? Will Jeffries and Balkman truly be defensive presence? I hope this all works out be there are alot of unknowns. In any case, if under Thomas's leadership this team does not come close to playoff contention, Thomas is a goner as well as all of your favorite players.

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    Marbury is not a bonafide SUPERSTAR. That term is used entirely too loose.

    Superstar means leadership, smart decision making, team attitude, and makes teamates better. As well as can carry his own weight. But Steph just carries Steph.

    There are NO SUPERSTARS ON THE KNICKS ROSTER, BUT THEYRE GETTING SUPERSTAR MONEY because of bad contracts, and a clueless GM. These guys are supposed to be professional and know how to handle, but they aint doing that.

    THEY JUST SUCK. Within 30 games true Knick fans as well as the media will be yelling for Isiah's head on a platter. They did at the GARDEN this past draft.

    I got a message for Isiah,

    KNICKS FANS WANT THEIR TEAM BACK. WITH REAL PLAYERS, REAL TOUGHNESS, REAL COACHES.

    And Dolan if you cant find the right GM and coach and players for 82 games, ASK THE FANS. LISTEN TO THE FANS.
    LISTEN TO THE FANS.

    Marbury played ****ty under Herb Williams who is blacker than me and his game was still terrible.

    Marbury is not a SUPERSTAR, hes a STUPID-STAR.
    Last edited by KnicksFan4Realz; Aug 14, 2006 at 17:37.

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