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Thread: Jeffries a Knick. Is there room for Richardson?

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    What about your boy Francis. He's missed 22 one season. 10 last. He's one 20 gamer away from being in the same boat as Q.

    I know what you are saying hes fragile. but lets think here. if you can get something for Francis (which we prolly cant get much for Q) wouldnt you rather trade him for something good then take something horrible for Q? Well have JC start and Q have minutes off the bench where he plays decent D and can thrive in a rungun offense.

    i just think you have to take away your personal feelings for Francis before you comment.

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    I have no personal feelings for steve francis so you are wrong about that... I just know the kid can play unlike some people. He's a better player than JC and he's a better player than Q-Rich. And no steve francis had a salt imbalance which gave him migraines that's an illness not an injury. That's why he missed 22 games that year. And he was suspended for several games last year and he was also in a car accident so that takes care of those 10 games. So no...he's nowhere near as fragile as Q-Rich. But that's besides the fact, I watch alot of basketball...and I know two things...we should have never traded kurt thomas for Q-Rich because we are now soft defensively in the middle and we have one more trigger happy 3 point shooter in Q-Rich. Yes Q-Rich might thrive in this new style of offense but he's going to give us 15 points a game if he starts. If the franchise gets 15 points you know he'll give us at least 5 boards and 5 assists. Besides Steve Francis can score 15 pts off the bench so we know he can do better than that if he starts. Besides Q-Rich isn't all that consistent of a shooter and his defense is ok...C+ or B-. But yea I'm all for trading steve if we get some GOOD for him. I just don't want to throw him away just because there is a clutter in the backcourt because Q would be the best candidate for that...

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    so you would say that migraines, and suspensions arent as bad as a back problem? haha

    and your saying we should of kept aging KT (who was a goner anyways) instead of getting Richardson and Robinson? thats weird.

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    their is no room for q rich their is no room for jalen rose

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    Originally Posted by NYKnicks15
    so you would say that migraines, and suspensions arent as bad as a back problem? haha

    and your saying we should of kept aging KT (who was a goner anyways) instead of getting Richardson and Robinson? thats weird.
    Well has he had migraines since that season? Nope. Will he have suspensions on this team? Probably not since the new notion of discipline that's being instilled on this ball team so I think I'd stick with my chances with Francis who is healthy right now by the way instead of a LJ back problem prototype in Q-Rich. Don't get me wrong, I like Q-Rich's game (besides his errant three point shooting) but he's no francis. Besides he's hurt as we speak. His back problem is the big issue. And yes I would rather have KT instead of Q-Rich. Nate Rob is a different story. We could have traded someone else or another draft pick for Nate Rob. But by trading KT, we traded our only bruiser big man and he was also our best shooting big man at the time. Frye can shoot better than kurt but he doesn't have the mentality nor the body as kurt had. Kurt brought toughness and the old knick grit that everyone was feigning for. Q-Rich and his three point shot makes me sick after each clank I hear. No one can defend the post til this day like Kurt ran it. Period....no one...

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    I loved KT dont get me wrong BUT he was a goner. Just like Q's a goner. Both had problems with Steph so thats that.

    Well just beg to differ I suppose.. Id rather trade Francis for something good and use Q as a backup SG. where he can still play D, shoot and not have a bad attitude about doing so.

    And regarding that trade. there was no way Robinson would be with us if we didnt take Richardson with him. Trust me on that.

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    I have no personal feelings for steve francis so you are wrong about that... I just know the kid can play unlike some people. He's a better player than JC and he's a better player than Q-Rich. And no steve francis had a salt imbalance which gave him migraines that's an illness not an injury. That's why he missed 22 games that year. And he was suspended for several games last year and he was also in a car accident so that takes care of those 10 games. So no...he's nowhere near as fragile as Q-Rich. But that's besides the fact, I watch alot of basketball...and I know two things...we should have never traded kurt thomas for Q-Rich because we are now soft defensively in the middle and we have one more trigger happy 3 point shooter in Q-Rich. Yes Q-Rich might thrive in this new style of offense but he's going to give us 15 points a game if he starts. If the franchise gets 15 points you know he'll give us at least 5 boards and 5 assists. Besides Steve Francis can score 15 pts off the bench so we know he can do better than that if he starts. Besides Q-Rich isn't all that consistent of a shooter and his defense is ok...C+ or B-. But yea I'm all for trading steve if we get some GOOD for him. I just don't want to throw him away just because there is a clutter in the backcourt because Q would be the best candidate for that...

    steve francis now is not better than jamal crawford, JC hasnt hit his prime and by then he will be unstoppable, francis lost it, dude doesnt how to shoot, how u in the NBA and they teaching u how to shoot, and steve francis doesnt want to come off the bench, they need to get rid of em first than anybody

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    Are you serious? Jamal Crawford...the same Jamal Crawford that scores 20 points but needs 20 shots? I'm being realistic...right now...steve francis is a better player than JC just because he's more experienced. JC shot 41% from the field last year...that's not great. While Steve Francis shoots 44% which is close to avg. Yes steve can't shoot but if he's scoring 14-16 pts a game while not having a jumper...and he's working on his J this offseason...then I'm thinking he's going to avg more than 14 a game. JC's game is great but he doesn't have the all around game as steve does. Steve rebounds, scores, passes, and plays defense while JC just scores and he'll rebound or pass well every once in awhile. We'll just wait in see...Steve is staying like it or not so we'll definitely just have to wait...

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    I guess the same can be said for Q hes here if you like it or not. BUT I think Francis will be the first to go.

    I dont know. Experience and shooting % Francis is better YES... but if you take into consideration all Francis does is layup.. you cant really take that shooting % with more than a grain of salt.

    And to me, I really think Steve is one of those players that do stuff for stats. Like aslong as he gets his 15-5-5 he shuts down. But thats just my opinion.

    I like JC better personally. He passes like a PG even though he has a 6'5 SG body. Hes a team player. Shoots the 3. Younger AND towards the end of the season DID all those aformentioned "steve-like" things.

    Crawford needs to start. Marbury and Crawford backcourt was good and will continue to be good if given the proper chance.

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    Well I agree with you in that aspect. I like the starbury and JC backcourt too but I would like to see marbury and francis given a chance. If francis can score layups all day then let him score layups...layups are scored at a higher percentage then jumpers right? And no one can cause havoc on the defense by pure penetration other than marbury and francis. But if francis can't live up to expectations then we should put JC in there...just as simple as that. I truly believe that steve doens't play just for numbers tho. The kid has too much heart for that. Everyone looks at the bad and not at the good about francis. If he was a ball hog then why did he sacrifice most of his touches so a developing yao ming could become the big offensive option. If he wasn't about his team then why did he give into Van Gundy's defensive system. Remember...the rockets were the best defensive team in the league in points allowed in francis's last year as a rocket. Give the kid a chance before launching him to the wolves...you might not regret it...

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    francis and marbury in my opinion which i could be wrong could be the worst thing for the knicks, steve francis or marbury are not able to spread the floor for each other, steve francis nor marbury could hit the open jumpshot(steph is more reliable), JC and stephon marbury in the backcourt is the best backcourt the knicks could have, steve u gots to go(he is not willing to come off the bench)

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    Well we saw glimpses of what they could do last year. There was numerous times that when marbury would penetrate, francis would sit in the corner knocking down the open jumper. So I know they could possibly excel. But if they don't work out then I say trade him. Remember steve francis is in houston working out with lucas trying to make his jumper more reliable so you never know what could happen. The kid seems motivated...

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    Well we saw glimpses of what they could do last year. There was numerous times that when marbury would penetrate, francis would sit in the corner knocking down the open jumper. So I know they could possibly excel. But if they don't work out then I say trade him. Remember steve francis is in houston working out with lucas trying to make his jumper more reliable so you never know what could happen. The kid seems motivated...
    thats a good look for francis

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    I think if we're going to talk about trading Francis we should also talk about trading Richardson and Crawford. I remember the Marbury/Crawford backcourt a lil bit differently that what has been posted. All they did was jack up shots and not pass the ball. I really don't see how a Francis/Mabury backcourt will be worse that the Crawford/Marbury backcourt. Crawford is two inches taller that Francis. I'm not knocking Crawford I just think he's better coming off the bench. The problem the Knicks have had sence Ewing got old was their starting line up always looked like an alstar team's bench. The Knicks line up looked like the Mavrick's bench a few years ago. We need a better bench and not just put all our juice in all at once. Here's how the bench should look:

    BENCH
    Crawford, Jamal
    David Lee
    Malik Rose
    Renaldo Balkman
    Channing Frye
    Nate Robinson

    STARTERS
    Curry
    ?
    Jared Jeffries
    Steve Francis
    Stephon Marbury

    My opinion Frye is needed off the bench. We should look for a PF and start Jeffries a SF due to his height and aleged defensive ability. Every one else should be moved if possible.

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    Q is going to get playing time regardless. Q has a bad year that does not mean he is going to have another bad year.

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