I'll make this simple for you.
except for Robinson, Balkman, Lee, Collins, and then MAYBE Richardson and Curry
Listen to yourself...if we didn't have chemistry...we would look like the exact team that played last year. We are 4-7 which is a whole lot better than last year's record. And you know how easy it is to dump francis and marbury. Last time I checked they're making a combined 35+ mil this year alone...sorry playa we're not dumping that contract. And Eddy Curry is the best offensive post player that we have. And you said you can't teach heart and intelligence? Well how do you explain Yao Ming and T-Mac's career genious? Both were mediocre and lackadaisical at the beginning of their own respective careers. And now they are both aggressive monsters. Who said this is nba live, you did...you're one of the few knick fans that think it's pretty reasonable to dump francis and marbury at a whim. YOU get real playa. I don't care what you want for this team but if you say something reasonable then I can disagree or agree with it. What you said this post and a couple posts back...I can't comment on...because it's unreasonably out of focus. You need to stop crying about what you want and get real with the fact that this can develop into a contender with time instead of trades. Just the stereotypcial knick fan who flip-flops andwants trades and actually think trades are going to make a better. Trades is what got us in this mess! And you think trades are going to make us better? And you obviously don't know anything about basketball if you think this team is full of 'crap'. JC, Starbury, the franchise, Channing Frye...these guys are crap? I don't need to dignify that with an answer.
And if you repsect the Raptors that much again...GO TO THE RAPTORS. Teams don't win championships with 1 player built around shooters...sorry. Chris Bosh is good but he's not a dominant center that can carry his team to a championship...he needs a sidekick. Sorry to tell you this...they aren't winning a championship any time soon. We have a better chance to win a championship than them.
Sorry I had to spit bars at you...I have mad passion for my team and when something wrong and unreasonable is said...I have to flush it out. God Bless 1
I'll make this simple for you.
except for Robinson, Balkman, Lee, Collins, and then MAYBE Richardson and Curry
This team flows so much better without Marbury. His last game (houston) was disgusting. If we could get rid of Marbs for some sort of C/PF/SF id be happy. maybe we could get Ricky Davis from Minny for him or something i have no clue. my brain hurts too much to think about that.
Now I am a Marbury fan. Always will be. and I really wish things would work out with him here. but we just dont work well with him. Curry also is a tempo breaker but i think if he leans up and learns the game he could be good in a couple years. i wouldnt give up on him. but a high priced, already "in his prime" shoot first point guard i am about to give up on.
i hope Jeffries gets back soon as well. I want to see if he balances anything oout.
I don't think MetroCard wants the Knicks to make hasty trades like in the past (i.e. Penny for Francis). I would personally rather stick with the same team and wait till their contracts run out, then pull those dumb trades. However, if the trade will speed up our rebuilding process, I say, go for it. Right now, we need to reduce salary cap and attain draft picks (even ones that are in the bottom of the first round). It's a long shot but I think we could unload Marbury and Francis (both 3 years remaining) for some bottom first round draft picks (25-29) and crummy players with 2 years or less left in their contracts.
I hope Marbury and Francis (plus J.James, M.Collins or M. Rose if needed) for a good point guard and a good center... To see Crawford or Lee start on the bench is frustrating... A 'traditionnal' pg (like Tony Parker, i'm dreaming who could hold, pass the ball and shoot could do a nice mixup with Robinson and a tuff pf or center (like Wilcox for example) who could muscle up with Curry, Frye and Lee would be perfect...
But i'm afraid this will only happens in my NBA Live game
Marbury is my boy played with him a few times in BKLYN but financial speaking he needs to go. We are wasting too much time for a turnaround here. Getting KG is the right answer but I don't think it would workout with Marbury around.
My ultimate prediction before any trading takes place Isiah will get the ax.
You right man cuz it's only going to happen in your NBA Live game lol. But I do think that with the emergence of nate-rob...either francis or marbury needs to be benched. JC is still to shot happy to start and would only make running the offense that much harder with all his erratic shots. So I'd still start one of them (Marbury or Francis). Also I'd bring Curry off the bench and put David Lee as PF and start Frye as C.
Why the hell did we trade for Marbury and the Francis in the first place? Obviously I know how HARD it is to trade them cause Isiah is the WORST GM in the NBA. He trades for the players with little value and untradable contracts. Who wouldn't be disgusted with this team? Real Knick fans must be vomitting right now. Compare this soft roster full of pussies compared to the 90s Knicks, men who were made out of steel and use to battle everynight for the city of NYC.
Yao and T'Mac are both intelligent basketball players with passion to be all stars. Yao and T'Mac have much more talent and ability than Curry. Curry has no desire to excel than his state of medicory. He has no interest to dominant or make a difference on defense. Curry has no confidence or passion to dominate the boards and rebound. Curry is one dementional, overpaid, and his potential is limited because of the fact he doesn't look to reach full potential. Yao and T'Mac are established All stars, in a matter of 3-4 years in the NBA. Curry has been in the NBA for 5-6 years, he's still medicore at BEST.
You said this was NBA Live, I never mention anything about live, are you retarded?
This team can develop as contenders within time? We have no all star players, no pure PG's, no shot blockers, no primary scoring option that puts fears into other teams. Can you atleast explain with LOGIC why this roster right now will contend for the title "within" time? Let me guess, within 10 years? You're silly. Discuss basketball, not predict or HOPE for the future.
STUPID TRADES got the Knicks in this mess, are you alert at all or do you sleep all day and wake up worshiping Isiah's throne as the master of diaster for the Knicks?
We need to trade for expiring contracts, young players with WORK ETHNIC, TOUGHNESS AND POTENTIAL. Key veterans who can play a role on the team and not be scrubs. Not sign scrub free agents to over pricey contracts that NO ONE WILL TRADE FOR. Do you understand now? We made TOO MANY STUPID TRADES. Why keep all this garbage on this team now cause your little ass got tired of Isiah making a trade every 2 weeks?
Francis, Marbury are has beens, they're falling down on their careers.
Marbury is a good player, but no longer an all star. He's extremely overpaid and isn't even a top 10 PG in the NBA right now.
Francis is no longer "Franchise" He's a Franchise killer, he did it with Houston, Orlando and now the Knicks. He hasn't been an all star in YEARS, and will never make the all star team again. He's not at that level no more get it through your head.
Chuckford or Crawful needs to go. He has a great personality and is a great kid, I love him to death and hope he has sucess in his career, but his style of game doesn't fit on the Knicks, especially with the lack of pure PG's or cheap up tempo style. Crawford would fit on the Suns, Sonics, or Washington, not the KNICKS. We can't efford stupid Low % FG shooting...Crawford is extremely inconsistant also.
Fyre is a one dementional player who's been overrated since preseason of last year. We've seen how much a non factor Fyre is when his jumpshot isn't falling. He is NOT good at anything else considering his game. Everything he does is medicore or extremely poor. He has no presence in the paint, and is just a 6"10 SF taking jumpshots and 3pt shots from long range. We don't NEED that on this team, comprende?
I'm a diehard Knicks fan with logic, you're an embarassment for not defending the Knicks, but defending Isiah's silly moves he has done to harm the team.
You're telling me Chris Bosh isn't that good? He's averaging 20 and 12, all star MVP canidate numbers. Raptors just restarted rebuilding in a matter of one year. Atleast they have an all star and young players, not loaded with heavy untradable contracts. That is what I'm saying. We're in a crap position right now, most real Knick fans realize it. You're not being real right now, at all.
Spit bars at me? You can't even rhyme, lol @ you rapping. You're probably some white kid from the surburbs, atleast show some respect in this forum. "Spitting bars" are you serious? You can't make one logical point. All you say is "Knicks will win a championship before the Raptors" "Mabury, Franchise, Crawford Fyre aren't crap" EXPLAIN WHY, then maybe I can reason with you. You have no reason or logic.
Francis and Marbury need to be moved. Benching them would lower their trade value even more. Hey, lets be stupid and "real" Lets suck for the next 3 years to wait for Francis and Marbury's contracts to expire? Then WE COULD REBUILD , instead of rebuilding now.
Channing Fyre doesn't do anything besides chuck up shots, why would we put him at center? We need a starting center badly, same with a pure PG. We need to subtract the garbage from this team. I get a headache watching the garbage recently.
The only players I'm satifed with are Richardson, Robinson, Lee, Balkman, and Collins. Everyone, be gone from the Knicks. This franchise need their RESPECT BACK. I'm tired of people looking at the Knicks as a practical joke by Isiah Thomas.
HOP OFF OF TRADING FRANCIS AND MARBURY
Do you have a better idea at center...oh yea you want to start jerome james at center or better yet the undersized david lee. Patrick Ewing chucks shots, kurt thomas chucks shots, hakeem Olajuwon chucked shots and yet still averaged a double double. And let me get this through your head...WE CAN'T TRADE MARBURY OR FRANCIS. I don't care if you want to or not. WE ARE NOT TRADING THEM. Has it clicked for you yet? I'm for any move that gets this franchise back to winning. But the moves you've been mentioning aren't happening anytime soon.
Jerome James is useless.
Patrick Ewing didn't chuck shots, he made shots. Chucking means TAKING STUPID SHOTS, when you're a medicore player. Ewing is a hall of famer and one of the greatest of all time. How dare you disrespect one of our ledgends to defend a buch of scrubs that don't belong on this roster, the hell is wrong with you child?
WE CAN'T TRADE MARBURY OR FRANCIS BECAUSE ISIAH IS A PISS POOR GM WHO TAKES THE WORST CONTRACTS IN THE NBA. I UNDERSTAND IT YOU BAFOON...MAKE A LOGICAL POINT, STOP STATING OBVIOUS THINGS THAT DON'T EVEN BELONG IN THIS THREAD.
The thread started ASKED who should be TRADED, we can't trade Marbury and Francis cause they're garbage overpaid old underachieving ball hogging score first PG's. They have no VALUE, do you understand?
The moves I mention will improve this team, you have no direction or opinion since you have a loyality to Isiah more than the Knicks.
Denver would love to have Francis and they desparately need a scoring point guard. Miller is not that type of player, Carmelo can't do it by himself. Franchise and Melo will be a good fit seeing that they're both from the MD/DC area. The question is who will we get in return certainly not K-Mart. It would have to involve a third or fourth team. I know that Grunwald is working the phones right now. Don't be surprised.
The only way to trade Francis and/or Marbury is to showcase them. But playing them together may be bad for the team. I say let them start but limit their minutes. Let them do what they can with 25-30 minutes a game. Let em go out there and be ball hogs or what ever it takes to bring up their trade value and ship one of them out. With out jocking Marbury, I do think Francis has more trade value but Minny might take Marbury. So who knows! It may be possible to trade them both but that's a long shot. Oh and just for the record there is an article confiming my trade idea of Francis/Fry for Garnett as a good one. [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]