call me crazy but i think steph goes off tonite. 20-30 pts 6-12 asts. playin in the arena he started in. hes taken the most heat for the bumpy start (im not saying he doesnt deserve it) and i think he's had enough. i think tonite he shows the fans, his team, isiah, and anyone else whos watchin exactly how good a player he really is.
You say playa too much, stop trying too hard to be "black" I grew up in the South Bronx, surrounded by many intelligent black people who I go to college with now, they would never type like this on the internet. Atleast be mature right now.
If you're for anything that helps this team, then you would agree Marbury and Francis SHOULD be traded, along with Crawford.
This thread is about WHO SHOULD BE TRADED, if you're not being logical, then I can't understand you. I repeat, don't ever compare the scrubs on this team to Hakeem or Patrick Ewing, thats not reasonable or logical or doesn't prove your point.
We're both Knick fans here. Isiah has a GREAT eye for talented players he can draft good, but he's a terrible GM/Coach, he needs to be shipped. Same with Marbury, Francis, Curry, Fyre, Crawford. We will never be a winning foundation with these group of players who are talented, but not good for ball movement, smart shot selection, taking care of the ball, DEFENSE. We must start over with a fresh new page and rebuild around Richardson, Robinson, Lee, Balkman, Collins. We must PERSUE to obtain an all star quality big man and a pass first or defensive PG. We have a scoring guard in Nate, we don't need Marbury, Francis or Crawford for that. Curry and Fyre are one dementional, we can't build our fondation on these guys.
See this post...I'm squashing this beef for several reasons...metrocard...you have brought up the black issue too many times in this post. This is a basketball forum. WE DON'T TALK ABOUT RACE IN THIS FORUM. So that's the first mistake that you made. Don't you ever talk about who's blacker than who. Don't ever do that because not only do I know more about black culture, african culture, trans-saharan, trans-indian, and trans-atlantic slave trades and the ordeals that go into these matters, I know how it commonly affects people like you. Can you touch upon that with facts already in your head? I also know that you prolly listen to a lil rap music and think you can judge on people and how black they are. Can Didn't think so. I'm black, I know I'm black, I know my facts, and I know my history. So before you test my patience or my color...ask yourself...is this smart testing this guy? As of right now you are on the list of the people I ignore...because ignorant people do not need to be acknowledged. Therefore this is my last post toward you. The bigger man will walk away...
So when did I ever compare channing frye to patrick ewing or olajuwon? Notice you're the only one making a big deal about it? Because again you misinterpret on what I say. Ewing a jump shooter, olajuwon for the most part a 1 on 1 post player. Frye shot 48% last year almost purely shooting jumpers. So shooting 48% is chucking up shots? Oh I forgot...you judging Frye's whole career on 10 games my bad. Frye is rebounding with decent numbers his whole career. Not the greatest rebounder but he can somewhat get the job done. But then again I didn't know you was that ignorant. I completely disagree on your re-building plan. Not only is it impossible but it's crazy to trade our young stars such as curry and frye. I do agree with Dr. C's plan tho. Let's play the best players and fire up the vets. That's the most realistic way to go...
As another black poster, I hate to see issues made over race. There's a lot of people that are disenfranchised solely on appearance. It's a painful thing to deal with, so to read it in this forum sucks. We all agree we want the Knicks to win. Period. So we all have different opinions of how we believe this can be achieved. When we got Eddy Curry, most thought he could grow into a quality big. So far that hasn't been realized. Frye is struggling, but moving him doesn't really do much but set us back a few more years. I think when Jeffries returns, the Knicks will have another long defender at their disposal. We really shouldn't consider trading anyone except the heavier contracts that have burdened and set this franchise back (Marbury & Francis). I know I've been beefing with sxmarbury516 (I said some ugly things) and I'm calling that off now soley to promote unity...regardless of all things.
Thank you all for showing some maturity and settling everything. And YES race is something we would like to keep out of discussions here. But also lets take the time to respectfully type a response. Thank you all, you make my job a lot easier!
Get rid of Stephon Marbury please.
Love the guy, but enough is enough.
We dont need anymore scorers, we need a quality big or SF.
Ewing isn't a jumpshooter, he had the complete offensive game. Something Fyre is far from.
"Patrick Ewing chucks shots, kurt thomas chucks shots, hakeem Olajuwon chucked shots "
You SAID THAT, and you were WRONG. Admit it , and stop being in denial.
Crawford chucks shots. Chucking shots is shooting low % FG shots, or bad shot selection. Shooting when you're not suppose to, or shooting where theres a better option to go to on offense. Ewing was a prolific scorer, same with Hakeem. I don't know how the hell you put Kurt Thomas in there with them, you're either retarded or can't make a logical point. Kurt Thomas average 10 points a game, how was he a chucker? He only took wide open mid range shots, thats GOOD shot selection. Do you understand now? Hakeem scored all those points from one on one post scorer? LOL SO HOW IS HE A CHUCKER? I thought you chucked jumpshots...you are definatelly a slow one.
Somewhat get the job done? Fyre doesn't get the job done, cause he gets out rebounded by everyone in the NBA. He's a poor rebounder, thats final.
Curry and Fyre aren't young stars, they're young one dementional big men who can't help this team in the future cause they lack a defensive mind set we need on defense, toughness, rebounding and attitude we lack. Villanueva is a YOUNG star. Bogut is a YOUNG star. Stop stating things with EXPLAINING them, then maybe more people can take you seriously.
and the TITLE OF THE THREAD IS WHO SHOULD BE TRADED...learn how to read.
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If a miracle can come in the next couple of months...i think it's possible that we can get a big guy. If we trade Q-Rich or JC...someone with a reasonable contract, then I think it may be possible to get a quality big man in the near future. I agree NYKnicks15, we are in dire need of an inside presence and not just an offensive inside presence like eddy but an overall presence that exists on the offensive and defensive side of the floor. I'm just glad we didn't trade for Webber. He's falling apart now, it's obvious that the end is near for him. One thing that still haunts us today is that McDyess trade. Trading Nene and Camby hurt me the minute layden traded them. They're athleticism is rare for their size and would have definitely fit into what we're trying to do here.
We are in need of inside presence? I thought Curry was suppose to be our Franchise big man? We gave up cap room and a number one for him, what happend? I guess another move that back fired on Isiah, and another sorry ass excuse for an Isiahsexual like you to defend Isiah on.
actually trading for webber would be a good business move. Hes in the last year of his contract..thats over 20mil that could come off the books for us if we finally LET A GODDAM CONTRACT JUST EXPIRE for once. I'd try to sell philly Steve or Steph. Then we could let Webber's contract expire and help us shave a big portion of our payroll off. Then we activate Mardy Collins and see if this kid can play. With the money coming off the books, we can get out of that luxury tax hell we are in. DO YOU GUYS REALIZE THAT WITH THE LUXURY TAX, WE ARE PAYING JARRED JEFFRIES, perenial bench player, 60 MILLION!!!! think about that for a minute. 60 million for a Bruce Bowen clone. You know what 60 million should buy you in the NBA? Dwight Howard, Melo, Bosh just to name a few.
I Like Starbury But ...........
I say we Trade Marbury And Francis
why would phila trade webber who is in the last year of his contract for starbury or franchise who have 2 or more years left???
especially since they have guard who like to touch the ball every once in a while (read iverson).
the phila g.m. would have to be a larger idiiot, then our resident idiot for this trade to happen..
i luv the knicks, but fear that the 'star-franchise' vaudville show will be playing at the graden for quite a while...
I gonna have to say Stephon Marbury and Eddy Curry for Kevin Garnett. I think Steve Francis will be good to start at point and Crawford at the 2 spot and Mardy Collins could finally get some play if that happens.