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    You are so right! This team has NO cohesion and it shows. I also felt that the guys I mentioned in the trade (Jeffries and Frye) are the only players that have value. Crawford has value and a team that is looking to get a long range shooter to pair up with a Big man would be interested in him... Like Minni or Houston even. Crawfor could be a great 6th man on the right team. The Suns could prosper with out Bell, they have in the past and they have an abundance of awesome perimiter players, what they do not have are big guys. That's why I thought the Jeffires for Bell was a good trade for both teams. I would sweeten the pot with another player to get the deal done. Again, Atlanta has Childress, JJ, Williams... They could use a 6"11' presence like Frye. He would also fit in with the team so well.

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    I'm not sure about the video game comment but my suggestions were based on what I have seen so far this year and the last season as well. The Knicks are week at the spots I brought up and if you keep the roster the way it is, we will be in for 3-4 years of misery!! The Knicks ca not just sit back and try to get under the cap, it's just not a feesable way to go. I feel my suggestions would really improve the quality of the team and the play. It has nothing to do with video games or anything else.
    I didn't mean the comment as an insult but if you are talking about a total over haul, depending on what you mean by over haul, you're talking about rebuilding again. If this is what you mean then you and I have fundamentally different points of view. I don't think we have a bad team. There is a lot of room for improvement but the core is good and we have the best bench in the league. Curry is improving and I believe he will continue to do so. We've got good shooters in Richardson and Crawford. I'd move out the guards. As many as we can, bring in an old school PG like Fisher or Billips who becomes available after this year, and move Marbury to SG. This is a recycled idea I know but we all know he can score. I'd rather have him scoring then passing the ball.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    I didn't mean the comment as an insult but if you are talking about a total over haul, depending on what you mean by over haul, you're talking about rebuilding again. If this is what you mean then you and I have fundamentally different points of view. 1. I don't think we have a bad team. 2. There is a lot of room for improvement but the core is good and we have the best bench in the league. Curry is improving and I believe he will continue to do so. We've got 3. good shooters in Richardson and Crawford. I'd move out the guards. 4.As many as we can, bring in an old school PG like Fisher or Billips who becomes available after this year, and 5. move Marbury to SG. This is a recycled idea I know but we all know he can score. I'd rather have him scoring then passing the ball.

    1. We're 13-21.
    2. We're over the salary cap until 2008.
    3. Crawford is shooting under 40% and 30% from 3pt. He has a good jumpshot, but terrible shot selection, which makes him an awful shooter.
    4. We have no cap space, we can't acquire Billups or Fisher.
    5. Sorry, Marbury can't play SG, defensively or offensively. His position is PG, Marbury produces best when he's dominating the ball and driving to the basket. We average 99 points on a mentally retarded offense, scoring isn't the problem, we need defense.

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    Defense won't be the cure all to this team. As you can see we funk up the place real quickly. This is a young team...real young team so first a defensive mentality has to develop in a predominately offensive minded team. Secondly chemistry must develop which is hard to do with all these injuries. Third, we must assign roles...everyone on the team can't average 20 pts a game...somebody must adjust there self-determined role into a role-player such as what steve tried to do. This is no quick fix, but I see what you all trying to say. Patience is a hard thing to grasp but that's the only thing that I can say is patience. Because if we fire Isiah then there is a big chance that this situation might get worst and the next GM will try to make "his team" ship all the bad contracts to worst and we might be in a more disaster in the future than now. Spare isiah...he's the only one that can lead this roster...

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    Defense won't be the cure all to this team. As you can see we funk up the place real quickly. This is a young team...real young team so first a defensive mentality has to develop in a predominately offensive minded team. Secondly chemistry must develop which is hard to do with all these injuries. Third, we must assign roles...everyone on the team can't average 20 pts a game...somebody must adjust there self-determined role into a role-player such as what steve tried to do. This is no quick fix, but I see what you all trying to say. Patience is a hard thing to grasp but that's the only thing that I can say is patience. Because if we fire Isiah then there is a big chance that this situation might get worst and the next GM will try to make "his team" ship all the bad contracts to worst and we might be in a more disaster in the future than now. Spare isiah...he's the only one that can lead this roster...

    No. I like your post, but I don't see where you get this big chance of the situation will get worse, unless we hire somebody worst than Isiah. I can't really imagine anyone worse than Isiah, seriously thats mentally impossible. It hurts my head thinking about it.

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    haha LB beat you to the punch

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    haha LB beat you to the punch
    Heh, last year was depressing. The players didn't look happy at all. I'm just feeling more comfortable the players are happy playing under Thomas. But nothing hasn't changed, we don't play defense and we turn the ball over. I could brag though we're the best rebounding team in the league, hopefully we hold on to that title and build from that. We need to establish a role in the NBA. Spurs have their role of fundamental team work and team defense. Suns have their role of fast tempo European styled basketball. Lakers have their triangle offense and their scoring phenom. We're a great rebounding team, lets BUILD off that. Every team in the NBA is going to have some weaknesses, but the elite teams have elite strengths. Lets be elite at something.

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    You said it. We're the best rebounding team in the league...that right there says in itself that we have potential in doing something great. And you said it again that we need to play defense and lower TOs. That sounds like a plan to me lol. And you're right again...we do need a style. I'm not the guy to say what that is just yet since we have no identity but since we're a rebounding team I say it would have to be something gritty. 5 star post man. I agree 100%. But don't you think that we can develop that with Isiah in the equation?

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    You said it. We're the best rebounding team in the league...that right there says in itself that we have potential in doing something great. And you said it again that we need to play defense and lower TOs. That sounds like a plan to me lol. And you're right again...we do need a style. I'm not the guy to say what that is just yet since we have no identity but since we're a rebounding team I say it would have to be something gritty. 5 star post man. I agree 100%. But don't you think that we can develop that with Isiah in the equation?
    Indeed. Isiah is a perfect coach for this team cause he's a coach who doesn't practice defense and he's coaching a team who doesn't like to play defense. But defense isn't our biggest problem, turnovers is what kills us. If we averaged 14 turnovers a game, we would be a couple of games over .500. I believe in other to do this, we must keep one of the four. Robinson, Marbury, Crawford, or Francis. Or even have it your way, cause I know you're a support of these guys, we could keep Robinson cause he's cheap, and try keep one of the 3 headed monster between Jamal Steve and Steph. We could move Fyre for Artest and Have a line up of any of the guys I just listed at point, Richardson at the 2, Artest at the 3, Lee at the 4 and Curry at the 5. I honestly would be thrilled and have trust in Isiah. But I doubt that will happend because Isiah has a very big ego and he's not going to trade Fyre, even if it did benefit us, thats just Isiah.

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    I wouldn't mind that trade at all. We need artest on the knicks. Isiah has an ego but I don't think he's stubborn enough to deny a trade for artest only giving up frye and one of the guards you mentioned. He's not going to miss a chance to improve his team to championship caliber and getting artest is a step in the right direction.

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    I wouldn't mind that trade at all. We need artest on the knicks. Isiah has an ego but I don't think he's stubborn enough to deny a trade for artest only giving up frye and one of the guards you mentioned. He's not going to miss a chance to improve his team to championship caliber and getting artest is a step in the right direction.
    While I like Artest, ironically we could of got him from Indiana if we were willing to give up Frye, giving up a big man for yet another small position player is not the answer. We need a guy like Artest and I would give frye for him, but only if I also had another deal in the works to land a big man. James Posey is a free agent and he is a Artest like defender and the Knicks could get him for the Mid level over the summer. I would use Frye as part of a Major deal, like a KG or O'neil (if they were options).

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    can't trade frye for artest.. something called a 'cap'... we would have to sweeten the pot, and since the next step for the kings will be a 'rebuilt', they ain't taking a bloated salary... maybe can work it with a 3rd team involved...

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    True True...but I never said the trade would go through, I just agreed to the idea. But you're right...a third team might need to be involved...

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    True True...but I never said the trade would go through, I just agreed to the idea. But you're right...a third team might need to be involved...
    You know what, the truth of the matter is that making one or two player changes wouldn't make a difference! This roster is so disfunctional that it either needs a mojor overhaul or let it run it's coarse and get under the cap, Bringing in Artest, for example, is not going to change this team into a major contender. athe knicks need to wipe out the backcourt a rebuild it! That is the biggest problem right now. They also have major wholes in the 3 and 4 spots. The Knicks are screwed for the next few years and we need to start to accept it!

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    You're right. I never said we were going to make the promised land anytime soon. Artest would fill a piece to a very large puzzle. This isn't going to be a quick fix and I don't believe that a quick fix should be attempted. But there's no doubt we would make playoffs with artest on this team. That's my belief. Not only does he add more defense on this team but he brings perimeter shooting which we are in dire need of. Trading, signing...whatever. Any way we can get him here, I'm for the idea.

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