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    I see what your saying about the less is more attitude not working.But the problem with Marbury or Francis taking it upon themselves to carry the scoring load, is that they ll both end up doing it at the same time.If one of them is given this responsability,the other will follow suit.They both have big egos and have considered themselves to be THE MAN on almost every team theyve played on. The Knicks havent got the defensive strenght nessesary to allow these guys this freedom.One has to go,and probably along with somebody else in order for us to get an all star quality player.Personally id trade Marbury out of these 2 guys.

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    first off did any of you look @ the schedule for november. its not gonna be an easy month thats for dam sure. give it a lil time and the team chemistry will be @ 100%. were playing without jared jeffries. when he comes back he will give us that solid d against some bigger guys which we so desperatly need. i really think isiah needs to make just one change in the starting 5. PUT DAVID LEE IN FROM THE OPENING TIP. we need him on the boards from the start. then we still have nate and balkman coming off the bench to energize the team.

    i agree marbury definatly hasn't played to his potential. but last nite against the wizards i noticed the difference. he was moving without the ball. getting himself in the game and keeping the guy guarding him on their toes. he needs to continue to do that and realize that moving without the ball will open up the lane and open up jumpshots 4 him.

    and to all of you who have said he isnt a winner, take a look @ his teams. he's been on 4 teams. 3 of them he's made the playoffs on. better yet he LED the team to the post season on thoze 3 teams. there are plenty of great players who dont know what its like to see the 2nd round of the playoffs. up until a few years ago garnett didnt. t-mac doesnt. gilbert arenas dont. it doesnt mean that cant change. once he gets back to his 20pts and 8asts a game that will open up the offense for the rest of the team.

    steve francis isnt playing that bad either. he's learning that he isnt the franchise of the team and cant be a one man show. hopefully he continues to get his team-mates involved.

    but the bottom line is the season is very young and the knicks are in the hardest part of their schedule. i still have faith

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    Originally Posted by Starks
    yea I know, but I hate to break it to you: this franchise can longer ask for patience from its fans. Its win or blow up the team. Anything below a 4th playoff seed is grounds for complete destruction.

    Asking fans for patience would have been cool 3-4 years ago. But not anymore. This is NEW YORK F'n CITY. Not Miami or New Orleans.
    I don't care if it's in London, England...if you don't have patience in a team then wins aren't coming anytime soon. Sorry to say this but good teams aren't made overnight. Time will tell...we have to deal with it. And I agree with you sxmarbury516...this season is still young. It's ridic how some of you guys want to trade and fire everyone in the office 10 games in the season. It's crazy that you guys are questioning Starbury, the same guy some of you bashed for being a ball hog and dropping 22 pts 8 asts a game. Now he's passing the ball and you guys are calling him garbage. I can't argue with suckas like that...he can't win ya'lls acceptance, straight up. Some of ya'll need to make up your minds because some of ya'll have a lot of hate in this guy but in reality he's the best player we have...

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    Default I disagree with most of you...

    The backcourt is fine, but far from great. Right now we have five players who can potential be huge scorers. When you have players like that they MUST touch the ball whether it is passing or scoring.

    Anyone who plays/played basketball or any team sport in highschool, college, etc. knows that if you are good and you do not touch the ball you start playing less to your potential. There are a FEW who will continue to play hard.

    Marbury, Franchise, heck everyone is just distrubiting the ball everywhere looking for that open shot. This is good basketball and a good offense for this team of people who can score. This also forces players to develop a good chemistry. Zeke is not an idiot when it comes to playing basketball. He is doing the right thing. I'm glad he got rid of the Run and Gun offense for our first 5. I see it working better with our 2nd team because they have a lot more energy especially when playing less minutes and some of them have a chip on their shoulder.

    Our biggest weakness right now is DEFENSE. Besides the wizards game we have not shown any sort of defense.

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    Default ur surprised????

    Haven't had a chance to see a game yet save the highlights, but I can tell by the posts how the "starbury"/francis backcourt is going. I guess we no national coverage this year. I think they play the Bulls this month so I'll get to see the disaster first hand. Anyone that knows diddley about hoops should have figured out that two undersized ballhogs who won't play defense cannot co-exist in the same backcourt. I think watching a year of this will squash the rest of the "starbury" apologists. I guess I'm glad I won't get to see this team play very often because it would just piss me off. Wake me up when we get a real coach and the dead weight is cut.

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    ok kcchieffan ur last post explains why u've been doing all the sh*t talkin in all theze past forums. if u cant watch games how can u come up with your own opinion? reading posts from a bunch of thick-headed people in forums. im glad u finally proved that all this trash talkin runnin out ur mouth is based on what people in the media have to say about the team not from what u see happening with the team. ive watched pretty much every game and slowly but surely marbury and francis and gettin on the same page. im sure once the post season roles around and the knicks are still in it then u'll get to see the team fully developed and choke on ur words. i find it funny how people claim to be knick fans but as long as isiah or steph are on the team they are prayin the team loses. its good to know ur glad u dont get 2 see any games because with some of theze knew players u dont know just how exciting it is 2 watch the knicks. good thingz r comin. fuk all u haters.

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    Originally Posted by sxmarbury516
    fuk all u haters.
    That's the best thing i read all day!! lol

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Haven't had a chance to see a game yet save the highlights, but I can tell by the posts how the "starbury"/francis backcourt is going. I guess we no national coverage this year. I think they play the Bulls this month so I'll get to see the disaster first hand. Anyone that knows diddley about hoops should have figured out that two undersized ballhogs who won't play defense cannot co-exist in the same backcourt. I think watching a year of this will squash the rest of the "starbury" apologists. I guess I'm glad I won't get to see this team play very often because it would just piss me off. Wake me up when we get a real coach and the dead weight is cut.
    Undersized ballhogs is an exaggeration and a comment typical of some one who doesn't know the team. Both Marbury and Francis are distributing the ball. So that comment doesn't apply to ether player. I've watched two games so far and in both I saw a struggling Marbury failing to score but made some great passes. As I've said before his role has not been clearly defined. That's not an excuse for his poor play, but a lot of people on this site once argued that we need a traditional point guard. Well, now Marbury is playing the role of a traditional point guard. So what should he do? Should he score 16 and make 4 or 5 asts? Or should he be "The Ballhog", take over the game, not let any one else get in a rhythm and score 20-24 pts? If you guys want to criticize Marbury by all means do so but be knowledgable and fair about it.

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    I saw one highlight where "Starbury" makes a bad pass at the top of the key, then doesn't even hustle back to stop the ensuing layup or foul. How can you have a guy that has been in the league this long and makes that much money that has no role???? Reality check, "Starbury" can no longer take over a game, so no one in the NBA is afraid of that. Instead of ballhog, should I say shoot first mentality???? There are not enough basketballs in the league to have these two guys in the backcourt at the same time. The rest of the country knows this, but I guess NYC is in its own world.

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    I think new york fans just need to be patient cuz nothings probably happenin til atleast after december. Isiah just gotta let francis and especially marbury play the way they always have cuz the way marburys played so far this year and last year, he's below his 8 assists per game. Just let marbury be marbury. Hes distributin the ball less than before. At the age of 29, marbury and francis still should be as good as they were a couple of years ago. I know they haven't looked good so far, but the more they play together the better they'll get. I aint given up yet, f*** that.

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    For the record, Philly has the worst f**king FANS...IN ALL SPORTS.

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    I've got to side with KC on this one. The Marbury/Francis experiment, to this point has been a failure. Before responding with some fool-hearted, bullsh!t excuse, our record says it all. Isiah is a better man than me, cause there's no way I trust Marbury to save my job. The sad thing is, no one will readily bail the Knicks out of jail. We will pay Marbury his 41 Milli, cause no one is stupid or desperate enough to take the "Best PG in the East's" bloated unattractive contract. So for now keeping enjoying "Starbury's" half assed efforts...that is until 2009.

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    By the way to reinforce what I just said, Renaldo Balkman had half of Starbury's productivty in almost a quarter of the time. Here's the stats:

    MIN FGM-A FTM-A 3GM-A OFF TOT AST ST TO BLK PF PTS
    Balkman 13 1-2 1-2 1-1 0 4 4 3 1 1 2 4

    Marbury 44 3-10 2-4 0-2 1 1 8 1 0 0 2 8

    Please somebody tell me why this joker is still in the league, oh and try to justify his salary, work ethic, and complete lack of diginity. Goddanmit!! These are public stats! He should be ashamed, but we all know he's not.

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    hey doc not for nothin but the only fool-hearted post i see in here besides jimkcchief's is yours. i was jus wonderin how many games this season have u actually watched up in edmonton, canada. prolly just as much as ur starbury hatin buddy jimkcchief.

    have u seen what our schedule is lookin like for november? we got one of the toughest if not the toughest schedule to start the season off with. im not making excuses for marburys flat stat line but the fact is that hes more worried about getting his team-mates involved then scoring himself. which is what most of u haters wanted him to do. and thats the problem. all u 'fans' who used 2 blaim the knicks losing on marbury for being a ballhog now blaim him for losing since he hasnt scored.

    i remember all of u saying you wanted him playing like charlie ward. thats exactly what he's done for the start of this season and yet he's still hearin people bitch about him.

    RPG APG SPG TO PPG
    2.5 5.0 1.1 1.64 11.6 marbury (this season- worst season on paper)
    2.6 4.0 1.2 1.65 6.3 charlie ward (career)

    jamal crawford has taken up the role of 'ballhog' if u will . but i havnt heard not one person mention him hoisting up some terrible shots. yea hes hit some clutch shots but he's put up some ugly attempts. but u dont watch games so u prolly wouldnt know this.

    all n all im confident the knicks will continue to get better. and i think most of the fans out there who actually get to watch games feel the same way.

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    I agree with both of you guys. Don't get me wrong, but I certainly do not like Marbury. I never warmed up to to the guy. NEVER have, NEVER will.. but I'm just an old school knick fan. Stephon doesnt desevre that kind of cream for the productivity he has done for this franchise. theres no disputing that at all. But many years ago, he didn't have a cieling to his game or a bad wrap on him, so that explains the huge contract. Its not like it was worse than Houston's. And I love Allan no matter what any of u say.

    But I like this new player Marbury's become. We are more competetive, and more people are touching the ball. Its not Stephon that hoist up bad shots, its Nate and Jamal. (though regardless if they are lucky or bad shots, they have been falling for most part) I can live with pedestrain numbers from Stephon. But if where does this leave Steve??? There's your answer of who has to go

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