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    sxmarbury516...playa you hit the nail on the head. All the haters was talking about that marbury was a ball hog...now he's a team-playing PG and ya'll are still hating. We can't have a scapegoat for losing. The season is still young and you can't judge are situation right now from just 10 games. The lineup is ok. I have no complaints other than they play a little more consistent. Out of marbury, francis, nate-robb, and JC....francis has given us the most hustle and scrap. Plus when healthy he's droppin 15 ppg 5 and 5 for us. You hatin on him for that? JC is just a taller Ben Gordon. Both are inconsistent and are for the most part volume shooters. He needs to take good shot and only good shots instead of pulling up with that same hesitation dribbble and shooting over the defender. Another thing...it's not really smart to look at the stat sheet without looking at the game. Yes...if you don't watch the game and look at the stat sheet then yes...marbury is straight garbage and needs to go to the NBDL. But if a little of reasoning was used and the game was watched one would see marbury drawing fouls, leading fastbreaks, not making more than 3 TOs a game currently, distributing the ball, creating shots for others, etc. Don't hate that he's growing, love what he's become

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    For those that want to hate saying the Alberta, Canada is weak for NBA coverage I've got two words for ya...DISHNET SATELLITE! Come on man, hit google and recognize that here in Alberta, we supply most of the Natural gas that heats your homes, and the oil that becomes your gas. That equals sick scrilla, so get real. By the by, my Wife and I drive BMW X5's (that's a set of his and hers). So please save the the hick comments for a hick. Too Short, Jay-Z and I are all 6 figga...y'all know the rest. Anyways.

    The failure in this group is chemistry, but it's also a lack of desperation, no sense of urgency, and a feeling of entitlement. My father has always said "a man has to earn his keep. This should be the new philosophy in pro sport, but more importantly with our beloved Knicks. Marbury & Francis should embody the aforementioned ethic, and make life miserable for those who don't. So far they haven't. What would be your motivation to work hard if the highest paid person at your job sat back and did jack ****. Would you work harder or roll status quo? The sad thing is most humans will/would choose the latter. That is a synopis of the knicks for 7 out of 11 games this season. On paper this team looks like a world beater. However, when they hit the hardwood they become apathetic. Remeber that game 1 ultimately becomes game 82. So for everybody acting like these games aren't important, this could be the difference between the post season or dusting off your golf bag. For every guy that wants to take time off onthe court I'd tie him to the bench. No minutes equals no face time on ESPN, which tranlates to no lucrative endorsements. Hit a guy in his wallet and he will learn. Plain and simple.

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    Default In my opinion..

    Marbury: Sitting back, playing mediocre ball so as not to get traded. Trying to fool everyone into believing that he's playing Isiah's way of ball, or whatever the f*ck you wanna call it. The fact is great point guards know when to pass and when to shoot. There's no way Marbury is not capable of AT LEAST 18ppg this season, I think we can all agree on that.

    I think it's great that he's passing the ball off and getting other people involved in plays, but that's all he's doing. He is not leading the team. He is not driving in for and 1's when we need big buckets. The times that he's been on the floor in the crunch, he's been perfectly content with dumping the ball off into someone else's hands early in the shot clock and letting them make the critical desicions that will win or lose the game. The only thing I've seen Marbury do in the crunch is shoot a 3 when he's wide open. Uncharacterisic of him not to beat his defender and draw the foul.

    Marbury has had an apathetic approach so far, he really doesn't seem to care whether we win or lose. When Marbury plays with passion, I really love his game.. But this season, he's trodding around the court like a f*cking corpse.

    Francis: In my opinion, playing much better than Marbury. Though not the Francis we've seen is seasons past, he still plays with a bit of his fire. And I have to admit, he does a decent job of getting his teammates involved as well.

    I don't know why Francis gets alot of the negativaty that he does, but I think some of it is unwarranted. He's more vocal on the floor than Marbury is, showing himself to be much more suited as a leader for this team. Isiah doesn't play him in the crunch, though if he did I'm sure Francis wouldn't mind taking some of the big shots, at a higher percentage than Crawford mind you.. I'd like to see Francis on the floor during the crunch of a close game more often, then I'll really know what type of player he is this season.

    I think it's completely possible for these guys to coexist, they just need adjust their styles, obviously. I think Francis has made more of an attempt to make the relationship work by balancing his talents (trying at least), being vocal with his teammates, and not complaining over minutes. Marbury needs to look for his shot more while continuing to distribute the ball, and he needs to step up and lead this team like he should. Until he does so, he should expect the boos to continue..

    BTW, does anyone else think Isiah has been doing a mediocre job of coaching?

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    i gotta say e_D u saved me a lot of time in writing that. i agree with with everything u said. francis is showing more heart then marbury without a doubt. when has marbury been able to get his team into the playoffs playing this way? NEVER. hes not this kind of player. his game last nite made me sick. 3pts 3asts on 2 shot attmps.

    i thought thomas was gonna be utilizing the players strengths not sticking with some undersized half court offense. im really confused here. i dont know why he didnt give jerome james some more minutes against yao last nite. instead he was sticking with players like frye (40+mins).

    steve francis came out playing great basketball. why was he on the bench during crunch time? why was our worst big man defensivly (frye) playing that many minutes against a great offensive team like the rockets? why isnt isiah getting on marbury about not being aggressive enough? zeke should especially know this considering his 19+ppg and 9+apg for his career. marbury being more aggressive on the offensive end will only do one thing, get his team mates wide open. so yea i do agree with you. thomas is doing a sub-mediocre job @ coaching. oh yea and one last thing, why isnt david lee starting yet? he seems determined to keep starting channing frye who seems like a doofy bastard running around out there.

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    We're all on the same team here guys. It's been a frustrating start to the season, let's not let that be reason to be at each others throats. Save the sh*t talk for the next Nets or (most likely) Toronto fan than starts running his mouth on the forums.

    A little off topic, about the Frye situation.. David Lee I think has become accustomed to coming off the bench for instant energy.. Lee seems mentally tougher than Frye, so if Frye gets benched it might have an adverse effect on his play. Even though sometimes it looks like his play cant get any worse.. But he's been starting to show signs recently, so I think he'll be back on track very soon. At least 14/5 a night, as opposed to the 4/4 we were getting in the first couple games of the season.

    Though if they don't find some way to put Lee into the starting line up next year, I'll be pretty pissed.

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    One of them needs to be benched for Nate-Rob and Curry needs to be benched for Lee...it's as simple as that

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    Undersized ballhogs is an exaggeration and a comment typical of some one who doesn't know the team. Both Marbury and Francis are distributing the ball. So that comment doesn't apply to ether player. I've watched two games so far and in both I saw a struggling Marbury failing to score but made some great passes. As I've said before his role has not been clearly defined. That's not an excuse for his poor play, but a lot of people on this site once argued that we need a traditional point guard. Well, now Marbury is playing the role of a traditional point guard. So what should he do? Should he score 16 and make 4 or 5 asts? Or should he be "The Ballhog", take over the game, not let any one else get in a rhythm and score 20-24 pts? If you guys want to criticize Marbury by all means do so but be knowledgable and fair about it.
    Look at his stat line from last night, that's why we criticize!!!

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    Originally Posted by sxmarbury516
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    Thats why he gets paid the money he gets, not to be mr. 2 shots a game.
    That's all I'm sayin' dude. I want the Knicks to get better. Its a shame with nationally televised games 4 times a week the Knicks are getting no play. I wish I could see them every night like they show the Lakers or Detriot of Miami but that is not gonna happen until they get better.
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    Seems like the Starbury haters may have been right. It appears that Isiah Thomas is loosing confidence in the backcourt. Curry said it was clear that Thomas was losing patience during the game against the Rockets. “I think we all can see he’s not playing around,” Curry said. Thomas was asked if Marbury and Francis would still be his starting backcourt, Thomas was slow to respond, saying, “Um, yeah.” In case you didn't see or hear, Thomas benched Marbury and Francis after only playing 65 seconds into the second half. Both players commited turnovers.

    I like Marbury and Francis and I want them both to do well, but we must face the facts. Nether of them are playing well and they should NOT play together. This may be the first move of many to come from Thomas. I understand that we need energy off the bench but the starting line up of a team is typically made up of the best over-all players. I'm done talking the KG stuff. We needs a real PG cause so far it ant Marbury or Francis.

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    Thank God eveyone has finally agreed on Starbury and his detriment to NYC. Hope he can do better someplace else and save his career, I knonw hes a good guy off the court. Lets close the book on him, or get used to his Charlie Ward impression (which i could live with if not for the monster contract and Cablevision force-fed marketing of stephon). No hard feelings to Steph fans, just look at it this way..theres some players New Yorkers love to hate until there gone. Ask AROD

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    ur right a-rod and steph r both in the same boat. i seriously doubt steph will leave NY quietly. he will come out and play the style he's good @ real soon. b4 the end of this month starbury will return. enough with this 3pts 3 asts bullsh*t. we need the guy who averages 20 n 8. everyone thinks he's dead. i have a feelin he will be back soon.

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    Love to see Baron Davis on the Knicks.What kind of contract does he have with the warriors?

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    Baron Davis has 3 Yrs @ 48 690 000. I'd like him here too, but with what Marbury and Francis have done this year, there would truly be a way to trade either guy. Plus Golden State is off to a great start (7-4) because of B-Diddy.

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