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    Nyk Logo Racist Press still has it in for Isiah

    Read what Peter Vescey and others have to say: "David Stern wilted...had Isiah in his croos hairs", etc.

    Mardy Collins committed a hard but not dirty foul, not a heinous act. Nothing Charles Oakley, Alonzo Mourning, Bill Lambeer or Ed Pinckney did not regularly do.

    But the right-wing sports pundits have still not forgiven Isiah for dethroning the Bird era Celtics. They still deny Spike Lee's right to be a prominent basketball fan, just as they deny the right of Palestine to exist as a viable state, and slander Hugo Chavez as a tin-pot dictator when the reality is that a majority of the still-functioning private Venezuela press supported the 2002 coup, as did most of the opposition candidates in the 2006 election (some dictator!!).

    Knick fans need to wake up to the subtext of the press hostility to the bonding of the Knicks into a real team. This team still has a long way to go, but not so much on the raw talent road, as on the bonding, on learning how to play together, smarter, more effectively, correcting fundamentals, etc.

    Keep this core together and they will get better. Compare the reaction of the press, for example, to the Celtics, who threw away Chauncey Billups and Joe Johnson to keep Antoine Walker - oh but those were white executives. The Knick debacle is about Dolan and Layden, not Isiah.

    Has every move Isiah made worked out? No. So what? Some moves work, some don't. At least he had the courage to revamp the team he inherited.

    David Lee for example is a still very young player (not even a regular starter yet) who ranks 25th in the league in ESPN's PER statistic. That ranks him as an unheralded superstar by objective standards. And Isiah found him at the 30 spot (in the draft).

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    i heard the nba wants to exapnd internationally.. is the 1st team going to be in Palestine ??

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    do you really wana open this can of worms buddy?? Lets stop this thread before it gets Ugly

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    Too late! Hahaha. Well you have a point i suppose but you kind of went off on a tangent. I would have focused more on the Bird vs Thomas thing. But Starks is right. This is a real nasty can of worms. Although your point about the hard fowl was right on point.

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    what am i missing here???. i read vesey's column.. where is it ' Racist '.

    can someone explain what am i missing..

    thanks

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    Default What you are missing is Weltanshaung

    Originally Posted by paris401
    what am i missing here???. i read vesey's column.. where is it ' Racist '.

    can someone explain what am i missing..

    thanks
    What you are missing is Weltanshaung - a world view that has not been spoon fed to you by the neo-liberal imperialist press. Everything about societies founded on Mestiza genocide (i.e., all governments of North and South America) that does not confront and destroy those societies is racist - by definition.

    And if you cannot translate that world view to the analysis of basketball then the concept of metaphor represented in the works of Thomas Pynchon is quite simply beyond you.

    How's that for a "can of worms"?

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    Default What's wrong with ugly?

    Originally Posted by Starks
    do you really wana open this can of worms buddy?? Lets stop this thread before it gets Ugly
    Of course I want to open up cans of worms. I want US troops to frag their officers, go awol, join a revolutionary civil war "here at home", and overthrow the two-party duopoly.

    I want a Reckoning that makes the Russian and French Revolutions look like Mary Poppins.

    So an NBA brawl hardly shocks or scares me.

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    Default Get The F Off Your High Horse

    Originally Posted by nixon7
    What you are missing is Weltanshaung - a world view that has not been spoon fed to you by the neo-liberal imperialist press. Everything about societies founded on Mestiza genocide (i.e., all governments of North and South America) that does not confront and destroy those societies is racist - by definition. ... Bla Bla freaking Bla ...
    Someone forgot to take their prozak this morning.

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    What steve francis said hit the nail right on the head. Baseball players have brawls and hockey has fights every day but the NBA has it's first fight this year and it's on every national network in the U.S. Only question I have to ask is why?

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    Yikes, I'm gona stay away from Huey P. Newton here. (look him up)

    And I'm a fan of Fidel Castro to. (My grandad fought for him during the revoloution)

    I think you have the wrong site bro, we are all just Knick fans here. Some of us ANGRY, some positive... but no one wants to talk about sociology on a basketball forum (isnt' school over anyway? lol)

    All I'll say on race is this. Read John Entite's book called Taboo. And then ask yourself, "If I had a chance to get paid millions of dollars to be an athlete, but might get a slight unfavorable image from the press because of a particular appearance, would I still want in?" Answer: Where Do I Sign? It beats getting the same, if not worse, treatment for my appearance at Burger King

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    Huey P Newton: Co-Founder and Leader of the Black Panthers. Your welcome everyone, I just saved you all a google. I've read the The original vision of the Black Panther Party. It's an interesting read.

    Back to the Topic:

    I was happy that I didn't state this first, I do however believe this to be the case. Ultimately someone going to say stop playing the race card. To which I'm relpying in advance: The race card will stop being played when all races don't have have to worry about racial discrimination. Francis is right. That's what I've surmised for the longest time. That's probably why so many people want Isiah to fail. To some, it bothers them that IT is at the top pf such a prominent and storied franchise. The fire Layden chants came well after he traded Ewing for a hill of beans, traded argueably the Knicks best guard at the time in Latrell Sprewell, fired Van Gundy, signed Shandon Anderson to a near 50 mil contract, and essentially destroyed the franchise. IT on the has already got us into the playoffs with what most would agree was a below average roster, yet most folks here still scream for his head. Look inside and ask yourself, what your motivation? As poster nixon7 said it best, Isiah at least has the stones to try something. Too bad no one wants to allow things to develop. Sometimes, I wonder to myself, why?


    Starks I heard you on the Basketball or Burger King thing, and I agree. The unfortunate thing is that that is a choice human beings are still faced with in 21 century. What everyone needs to understand is that there is frustration when one feels disenfranchised. Hence the riots in Watts '68 and Los Angeles '92. Jim Crow still exists in 2006.
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    Originally Posted by nixon7
    Read what Peter Vescey and others have to say: "David Stern wilted...had Isiah in his croos hairs", etc.

    Mardy Collins committed a hard but not dirty foul, not a heinous act. Nothing Charles Oakley, Alonzo Mourning, Bill Lambeer or Ed Pinckney did not regularly do.

    But the right-wing sports pundits have still not forgiven Isiah for dethroning the Bird era Celtics. They still deny Spike Lee's right to be a prominent basketball fan, just as they deny the right of Palestine to exist as a viable state, and slander Hugo Chavez as a tin-pot dictator when the reality is that a majority of the still-functioning private Venezuela press supported the 2002 coup, as did most of the opposition candidates in the 2006 election (some dictator!!).

    Knick fans need to wake up to the subtext of the press hostility to the bonding of the Knicks into a real team. This team still has a long way to go, but not so much on the raw talent road, as on the bonding, on learning how to play together, smarter, more effectively, correcting fundamentals, etc.

    Keep this core together and they will get better. Compare the reaction of the press, for example, to the Celtics, who threw away Chauncey Billups and Joe Johnson to keep Antoine Walker - oh but those were white executives. The Knick debacle is about Dolan and Layden, not Isiah.

    Has every move Isiah made worked out? No. So what? Some moves work, some don't. At least he had the courage to revamp the team he inherited.

    David Lee for example is a still very young player (not even a regular starter yet) who ranks 25th in the league in ESPN's PER statistic. That ranks him as an unheralded superstar by objective standards. And Isiah found him at the 30 spot (in the draft).
    Please oh god please... Steve Francis just played the race card, give me a break... Are you going to tell me that if on one half of the court 4 white players are fighting and on the other 4 black guys are fighting the only thing that would be covered would be the 4 black guys fighting?
    I think that you might want to think before posting, I look at Spike lee the same way that I look at LA Jack, they are great fans and are at every game...
    Calling everything that doesnt go your way or makes you look bad a form of racism is just plane dumb, if that is how you think then you your self are filled with racism

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    Weltanshaung ,Mestiza genocide ,Huey P. Newton ,John Entite

    what does huey got to do with this??... isn't he a rock and roller??

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    Nyk Logo Kill the yuppies and take their seats (and their wives)

    Originally Posted by Starks
    I think you have the wrong site bro, we are all just Knick fans here. Some of us ANGRY, some positive... but no one wants to talk about sociology on a basketball forum (isnt' school over anyway? lol)
    Most of my original post was about basketball, including my years in Boston watching them squander Chauncey (I watched every game he played before they traded him and was dumbfounded that they did) and Joe Johnson (who was never really given a chance there).

    I just calls them like I sees them so I am not gonna keep the "sociology and Marxism" out of my posts. But I do promise the focus (on this forum) will mostly be basketball. However, if you don't think race and class stratification are part of basketball, then I suggest you go to a game and compare the upper and lower sections of the arena.

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    nixon7 great post i agree with everything u said.

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