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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    What steve francis said hit the nail right on the head. Baseball players have brawls and hockey has fights every day but the NBA has it's first fight this year and it's on every national network in the U.S. Only question I have to ask is why?
    First, Isiah and Nate Robinson complain about the Nugget starters staying in the game, then Franchise comes out with his ridiculous statement and then Oakley, a great Knick warrior but a knucklehead says that Stern is "too ****y". None of you guys get it which is why we have these problems. Yes, hockey has these fights everyday which is why we don't hear about them that much...its part of the sport's culture and besides, its hockey...WHO CARES?
    Baseball does have these dust ups occassionally and we hear about them on SportsCenter for a day or so. The suspensions are comparable; anybody remember Kenny Rogers and the cameramen a few seasons back? That got some major air time. Last I looked, Kenny is pretty white.
    Yes, the players are, and should always be, THE SHOW. The spotlight should always be on them, not the suits even though the suits are the ones responsible for commercializing the players' enormous talents, much to the ballers' benefit. However, because the focus is rightly directed on the players, they, in turn, have to step up and do the right thing.
    You're correct, maybe the dress code was unnecessary. Maybe instead The Association should have taken a harder look at guns at strip clubs in the wee hours of the morning when the players are sooo exhausted from the two-a-days that come with training camp.
    Guys, the race card has been played way too often. Its old, worn out and should be taken out of the deck.

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    But you have to realize that the race card never be put to rest until things like this stop. Whoever believes in the race card either is ignorant of the facts or has skeletons in the closet...but I'm not accusing you of either. You have to realize...I've looked racism and discrimination in the eyes. I'm not an expert or anything but I think I know racism when I see it. The people on this forum aren't the only ones that agree, Stephen A. Smith, Rev. Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc. Like them or not you have to respect there opinions for what they have been through and for what they have seen. And I'm not really questioning the fact this fight has more airtime than normal brawls, I'm questioning on how it's being portrayed. Isiah sounds like a mafia boss from what I'm hearing from the papers. Mardy Collins, Carmelo Anthony, and Nate Robinson are so-called "thugs" for fighting. I don't like the sound of that. Chan Ho Park wasn't a thug for drop kicking, Hockey players aren't thugs for fighting but we have our 2nd major brawl in 2 years and they aren't even the same teams but they are portrayed as thugs. This isn't a race card, this is racism and if you don't believe me go ask somebody....

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    i agree it's racism, as is the dress code/etc.. why don't the players strike, or boycott some of the games...


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    I knew the lame "Race Card" crap was going to come up (See my previous posts). I'm sick of the race card nonsense. And so what. Stephen Jackson had a permit for his pistol, as well he a grown up. If he goes to the strip club that isn't news. Do you think that Pro Golfers, Hockey, Baseball, and Football players don't do the same? Get real. This is just another "Gansta Brotha" media slant. Bill Romanowski used to cart a piece around with him. How many of you knew that? Probably none of you. The media doesn't sing that song. White men carrying around pieces isn't front page material. And yes the Players are motivated by money...but aren't we all? I go to work because I want money. I'm sure you all do too. Stop metioning the nonsense of players losing money to prove a point. When was the last here anyone here went on a hunger strike, held out of work, or tied themself to a tree to protect the enviroment? As a guy who knows racism when he encounters it, I find incomprhesible why people still make excuses for it. The NBA has gotten so "rule stupid" they have a guy that actually monitors the arm bands players wear. If they are above a certain level, a player can be assessed a tech or delay of game penalty. Why is fan money being wasted like that? Because the NBA is far too "Urban". The powers that be have no problem with the players pulling the cart, they only take exception when they want to ride in the cart. The league to me is an unfortunate microcosm of the world in general. That's why racial discrimination still exists. To me the race card defense is tantamount to keeping racism alive strong. It is a diversionary tatic used to try to blind people to the problem that cleary exists right before their eyes. Everyone here has probably experienced racism. Did it feel good? Probably not. So stop giving excuses to media outlets to vilify anyone. If the motives are clearly "dirty" don't support them. Period.

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    I guess the guys in the suits sitting in the stands can cause all kind of havoc with their corporate buyouts and layoffs - but that isnt violence.

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    Why is it that whenever any issue whatsoever occurs involving a black and a white person it immediately become a white people are against black people race issue?

    What makes all the race bandwagon jumpers think they can speak for white people other than just accusing them of being racist?

    For the record, I think Howard Stern is an idiot, as are all of rules that he keeps implementing, which are just bad for sports regardless of what game.

    Why can't you racist crybabies just accept this as a fact ... the NBA viewing audience is flat out sick and tired of seeing a bunch of whining multi millionaires who do nothing but run afoul of the law regardless of what color they are! It has nothing to do with anyone’s race or color. People are past the point of caring about the NBA and all of its degenerate trouble makers, which is the only reason Howard Stern is crawling up everyone’s ass.

    People are sick and tired of tolerating a bunch of overpaid greedy pigs who do nothing but complain about everything while refusing to do what they are being paid to do, play basketball, do what the coach asks you to do, which is what he’s also getting paid to do, and shut the F up. If Howard stern cares anything at all about color it’s the color Green, along with trying to keep the viewing audience from bailing on the NBA completely.

    How would you like to hear white people accusing black people of supporting a moron loser like Isiah Thomas simply because he's black?

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    Question Mark fairness please

    How many GM/Presidents can you name that have turned a team around in less than 3 years? Especially teams that are drowing under the Cap?

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    Originally Posted by BRING_BACK_LARRY_BROWN
    Why is it that whenever any issue whatsoever occurs involving a black and a white person it immediately become a white people are against black people race issue?

    What makes all the race bandwagon jumpers think they can speak for white people other than just accusing them of being racist?

    For the record, I think Howard Stern is an idiot, as are all of rules that he keeps implementing, which are just bad for sports regardless of what game.

    Why can't you racist crybabies just accept this as a fact ... the NBA viewing audience is flat out sick and tired of seeing a bunch of whining multi millionaires who do nothing but run afoul of the law regardless of what color they are! It has nothing to do with anyone’s race or color. People are past the point of caring about the NBA and all of its degenerate trouble makers, which is the only reason Howard Stern is crawling up everyone’s ass.

    People are sick and tired of tolerating a bunch of overpaid greedy pigs who do nothing but complain about everything while refusing to do what they are being paid to do, play basketball, do what the coach asks you to do, which is what he’s also getting paid to do, and shut the F up. If Howard stern cares anything at all about color it’s the color Green, along with trying to keep the viewing audience from bailing on the NBA completely.

    How would you like to hear white people accusing black people of supporting a moron loser like Isiah Thomas simply because he's black?
    I really hope you don't believe in what you just wrote...because this is an atrocity if you do. It's David Stern but that's besides the point. I agree with you when you say that most of these ballas are millionaires that are crying over petty things but he is seeing something besides the color green. It's the gangsta and thug mentality. THE MAJORITY OF THE LEAGUE IS BLACK. So the custom of the African-American culture is going to be instilled within the game regardless if he likes it or not. But he doesn't...that's why be makes these rules. No chains, no doo-rags, fitted hats, etc. None of this was a problem until he thought the league had an "image problem." I like the code name but I don't buy it. No one cares about the image. And no one is speaking for the white people. They spoke for themselves...when they say Nate-Rob is a thug for fighting that is a stereotypic, racist judgement. When they say Isiah should be fired for condoning such an act but Pat Riley does the exact same thing but they call him a hall-of-fame coach. Somebody's not doing their homework because last time I checked, it wasn't illegal to give a hard foul. And I support all my black peops and hope they succeed in everything they do and to do otherwise is just foolish. I rep my blacks, just like puerto ricans rep puerto ricans, and other minorities rep their nationality. Am I supposed to hope that Isiah fails because he's black? But again you hope he fails and you're white, so does that make you racist? I don't make racist judgement on people because that's a harsh name to put on someone. So to call me and other reasonable people on this forum racist is dumb on your part just because we stand on a view that the majority agrees on...

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    . No chains, no doo-rags, fitted hats, etc. None of this was a problem until he thought the league had an "image problem." ...
    ofcourse it is racisim, but i don;t see anyone standing up , saying it's wrong, and saying i'm not accepting it... why???

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    I watched "Outside the Lines" a couple of Sunday's ago on the topic of guns in sports and it showed some white baseball player for the Astros (sorry I forget his name) that has a concealed gun permit. Dude is packing all the time for his own "protection." Protection from what??? This cat isn't from a rough neighboorhood or walking around with bling worth $$$$$. No reference of "thug" was made in the piece. He was just a good ole' boy with a gun. Same time here in the Chi-town Tank Johnson( d-line man for the Bears) gets his crib raided "Belly" style. What was the reason??? He had guns in his house while being on probation for another gun charge, even though the " Right to Bear Arms" is a constitutional gaurentee. The difference is black people were not protected by the constitution until 1964. That's barely 40 years ago folks. In all that time racism became institutionalized and racist attitudes shape people's perception. Its the same reason why when Larry Johnson called out the Chiefs offense he was a malcontent, but when Tom Brady called out his teamates he's "being a leader." Same actions, different perceptions. Being a minority and the baggage that comes with it is a fact of life, not a card that's merely played out of convenience. That "race card "term wouldn't even exist anymore if O.J. was sitting in jail somewhere.

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    I watched "Outside the Lines" a couple of Sunday's ago on the topic of guns in sports and it showed some white baseball player for the Astros (sorry I forget his name) that has a concealed gun permit. Dude is packing all the time for his own "protection." Protection from what??? This cat isn't from a rough neighboorhood or walking around with bling worth $$$$$. No reference of "thug" was made in the piece. He was just a good ole' boy with a gun. Same time here in the Chi-town Tank Johnson( d-line man for the Bears) gets his crib raided "Belly" style. What was the reason??? He had guns in his house while being on probation for another gun charge, even though the " Right to Bear Arms" is a constitutional gaurentee. The difference is black people were not protected by the constitution until 1964. That's barely 40 years ago folks. In all that time racism became institutionalized and racist attitudes shape people's perception. Its the same reason why when Larry Johnson called out the Chiefs offense he was a malcontent, but when Tom Brady called out his teamates he's "being a leader." Same actions, different perceptions. Being a minority and the baggage that comes with it is a fact of life, not a card that's merely played out of convenience. That "race card "term wouldn't even exist anymore if O.J. was sitting in jail somewhere.

    same action, but different places.... no big thing to pack in texas, but not so in chicago...

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    Wow this turned out to be a hot topic. There are two different issues here. One is the NBA rules and the media response to the scuffle and the other is Isiah Thomas as a coach. I do not think the media is after Isiah because he's black as the subject title suggests. I do think the media hyped this story up because there is no news worthy stories going on right now. This in it's self is a real problem because people die every day but you may notice that the lives of certain people appear to be more news worthy than others. Example: White woman goes missing and it's on every news channel. Other people go missing and you don't hear a damn thing.

    I was surprised to see this fight on CNN and MSNBC because frankly it's not that big of a deal. I believe the real person at fault here is David Stern. He mishandled this situation by suggesting that those that get into small fights would not have a long NBA career and suggested that there is some kind of need for him to do more as far as fines goes. Like the fine isn't enough! By doing or saying this David Stern made this situation bigger than it really was, further hyping up the hype. What Stern should have said is "We do not condone the actions that took place and the players involved well be reprimanded. However this is a competitive sport and disagreements can happen. The NBA is a league of the world's most gifted players and sportsmen and we have one of the cleanest and incident free histories in all of sports." But Stern did not take this path. He made it sound like further action was needed. Like the NBA needs to keep the animals in check and that simply is not true. Fights happen and for some reason its headline news when NBA fights happen but not a big deal when NASCAR chicks fight each other or as mentioned NHL fights, which are out of control but no one seems to get offended by them. I find this very strange. There is clearly a double standard. Any time a double standard exists we should ask our selves WHY. One can say well these are two different leagues. This is true but my argument is not how the leagues handle the situation as it is the media spot light and why people are feeling offended by a small fight. May be there is a sports cultural difference. May be the media is racist. All the stuff about the league getting a black eye is non sense. The league would only have a black eye if this happened on a regular basis or a consistent basis but it does not. It is a single isolated incident and nothing more.

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    ''but not a big deal when NASCAR chicks fight each other ''


    now thats a fight i want to be in the middle of...

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    jimkcchief88 the baseball player you were refering to is in fact Roger Clemons. Yes, Roger Clemons who will be in the hall of fame. Think about this. Ol' Dirty Bastard got sent to prison for marijuana possession. He did seven years. Scott Weiland (Lead Singer of the Stone Temple Pilots & Velvet Revolver) got caught with heroin. Did six months in rehab. With situations like this, people then wonder why the black incarceration rate is so high. Black people are still considered 3/5 of a human by Media and Law Enforcement. They lack the courage to say this, but I judge things by actions, and never words. It's ridiculous to read black men called "Thugs" in a newspaper. It's also highly insulting. I support Isiah, yes partly because he and I are both black. Call it what you want, I like to see black people do well. Usually when I watch the news, they portray the worst of black culture. So to see something positive that is also tangible, is amazing. It's the same reason I want a black quartback to win the superbowl. To show peoplpe a black quaterback can think and win. The saddest part is that Doug Williams won a superbowl as a black quarterback in '87. He had one of the best games in superbowl history in one of the Bowl's most lopsided victories. Funny how the Media never tell you that every sunday. His Game Stats were 18-29 340 Yds. 4 TD passes. You ever hear Joe Buck talk about Williams? Any NFL analyst? Nope. I agree jimkcchief88, that's why when Brett Favre screams at his recievers, he's also a leader. If Terell Owens screams at his QB, he what's wrong with pro sports. To put it simply and to Paraphrase Kanye, THE MEDIA HATES BLACK PEOPLE.

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    no doubt there is media bias... B U T ... comparing 'anyone' to T.O. come on now... doug williams... favre..mcnabb... leaders all of em .. but T.O. wrong guy to pick...

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