My beef with Isiah

[The 1 and Only]

You got me all wrong, my words weren't meant for an arguement...it was a statement and it stands alone. He's 7 feet tall. He's going to get defensive rebounds. To prove how great his rebounding skills are just look at his game log. Against all the good rebounders...he has a weak rebounding game. It's just that simple...he can't bang and he's not physical so that translates into not being a good rebounder. He averages 9 rebounds a game but again Barkley said it best...they're garbage rebounds. This a whole new aspect of the game folks. He's a great scorer. A great great scorer. But rebounding comes naturally only because he's 7 feet tall and he's a lil more athletic than the average 7 footer. He doens't have the mentality just look at the stats. 7 boards against O Neal...decent I give him his props right there. But let's go from the beginning....4 rebounds against houston? 5 against KG? 6 against Toronto? 2 in Philly? 4 in New Orleans? Rebounders are consistent for the most part. There is no such thing as " I didn't get my rhythm on the boards tonight" or "My rebound game was off tonight". Rebounds are effort stats. I've already beat him up on is offensive rebounding game but then he doesn't even get defensive rebounds on these occasions. Again he gets garbage rebounds. When you're seven feet tall...most of the defensive rebounds will fall in your hand...but against good rebounders the ball just doesn't fall in your hand and this is why he had these poor numbers...for those reasons and he's soft lol.

[donchris]

You got me all wrong, my words weren't meant for an arguement...it was a statement and it stands alone. He's 7 feet tall. He's going to get defensive rebounds. To prove how great his rebounding skills are just look at his game log. Against all the good rebounders...he has a weak rebounding game. It's just that simple...he can't bang and he's not physical so that translates into not being a good rebounder. He averages 9 rebounds a game but again Barkley said it best...they're garbage rebounds. This a whole new aspect of the game folks. He's a great scorer. A great great scorer. But rebounding comes naturally only because he's 7 feet tall and he's a lil more athletic than the average 7 footer. He doens't have the mentality just look at the stats. 7 boards against O Neal...decent I give him his props right there. But let's go from the beginning....4 rebounds against houston? 5 against KG? 6 against Toronto? 2 in Philly? 4 in New Orleans? Rebounders are consistent for the most part. There is no such thing as " I didn't get my rhythm on the boards tonight" or "My rebound game was off tonight". Rebounds are effort stats. I've already beat him up on is offensive rebounding game but then he doesn't even get defensive rebounds on these occasions. Again he gets garbage rebounds. When you're seven feet tall...most of the defensive rebounds will fall in your hand...but against good rebounders the ball just doesn't fall in your hand and this is why he had these poor numbers...for those reasons and he's soft lol.

The 1 you don't have to argue your position because you are correct. Every one up here with half a brain knows that you are correct. Dirk just started to step up two years ago. Prior to that every one said he could be an elite player but that he was soft and settled for the outside jumper. So it's obvious that you aren't going to get alot of boards if you are settling for jump shots. This **** is a no brainer. How is he learning to rebound? He is "learning" because in the past he has not been a consistant rebounder and still is not. The 1 you just proved it by quoting current game states. But if you look at that and know the history, then there is no argument.

[The 1 and Only]

Thanks for the props man. You'd think it would be a no brainer but I guess not. It's not really a diss to Dirk's game...it is what it is. His stats with his showcase of game proves that he soft and he gets soft, garbage rebounds. He's a great player but not in this aspect of the game. His numbers in the rebound category is inflated and everyone knows it...

[metrocard]

You got me all wrong, my words weren't meant for an arguement...it was a statement and it stands alone. He's 7 feet tall. He's going to get defensive rebounds. To prove how great his rebounding skills are just look at his game log. Against all the good rebounders...he has a weak rebounding game. It's just that simple...he can't bang and he's not physical so that translates into not being a good rebounder. He averages 9 rebounds a game but again Barkley said it best...they're garbage rebounds. This a whole new aspect of the game folks. He's a great scorer. A great great scorer. But rebounding comes naturally only because he's 7 feet tall and he's a lil more athletic than the average 7 footer. He doens't have the mentality just look at the stats. 7 boards against O Neal...decent I give him his props right there. But let's go from the beginning....4 rebounds against houston? 5 against KG? 6 against Toronto? 2 in Philly? 4 in New Orleans? Rebounders are consistent for the most part. There is no such thing as " I didn't get my rhythm on the boards tonight" or "My rebound game was off tonight". Rebounds are effort stats. I've already beat him up on is offensive rebounding game but then he doesn't even get defensive rebounds on these occasions. Again he gets garbage rebounds. When you're seven feet tall...most of the defensive rebounds will fall in your hand...but against good rebounders the ball just doesn't fall in your hand and this is why he had these poor numbers...for those reasons and he's soft lol.

Stop clinging on to Barkley's words, speak your own mind, garbage rebounds is just taking credit away from one of the hardest working men in the NBA. You forgot to say Dirk had 6 offensive rebounds 3 games ago. and 15 total. You named all of Dirk's bad rebounding games this season? That doesn't help your agruement at all. Dirks is #5, NUMBERO CINCO in the NBA in double doubles. Dirk is on a list with Tim Duncan, Carlos Boozer, Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard. All these men are consider elite or above average rebounders. To disagree you would be wrong. Everyone body has a bad game, Dwight Howard had 3 rebounds against Phoneix this season and 7 against the clippers. But why would I use that, why I know, everyone in the NBA knows he's one of the best in the league? Same goes for Dirk. Taking credit away from Dirk isn't going to prove your point, it justs prove you're trying too hard to make him look like Tim Thomas, when Dirk is an automatically double double. Double Doubles do NOT fall to you, ever. You have to work hard on both sides on the court.

He finishes top 10 in the NBA in rebounding every year. Theres no such thing as garbage rebounds, even if you consider them Garbage rebounds, Dirk is very consistant at getting them.

Rebounds are effort stats? When he averages 8 defensive rebounds per game, 9.5 total rebounds, thats not good?

Wrong, you obviously never played basketball before. Most of the rebounds do not fall to you. You learn at an early age how to be in the right position and be alert for the defensive rebound. Just because you're 7 feet doesn't mean you're automatically a great rebounder. Peter John Ramos is one of the worst rebounders of all time, and he's 7"3. Yao Ming is 7"5, and he isn't the most dominant rebounder in the NBA. He barely averages 2 offensive rebounds per game, and he's always in the paint. Theres much more to the skill of rebounding than being tall. Look at Barkley and many others. Jason Kidd is a great rebounder and he doesn't even bang. He's alert on the defensive boards. Rebounds do NOT fall to you ALL or MOST of the time. You have to box out or beat your man to the ball. This is part of awareness. Dirk is top 5 in the NBA in defensive rebounds this year, how can all them fall to him?

Dallas is 4th in the NBA in least rebounds allowed. Dirk is very good at attacking the defensive boards. You're trying to say defensive boards are irrevelant or don't matter? You think it would be better for a player not to attack the defensive boards and let the opposition get the offensive rebounder? Defensive boards prevents shot attempts for the other team, which is part of winning the basketball game. Giving up rebounds, turnovers, fouling will equal loses. Dirk averages 9.5 rebounds a game, only 2 turnovers a game, and 2 fouls, (Something Curry is so distant from doing, he does the total opposite) He obviously plays to win. Avery Johnson is a great coach too, Dallas being 4th in the NBA with least rebounds allowed shows they're not a soft team anymore. The Dallas of 2-3 years ago were soft. Plus, Dirk 3pt shooting rate has gone down, he's relied more on close-mid range buckets, he's taking more higher percentage shots. I remember one season he finished tops in the NBA in Free Throw attempts. Guys who get alot of free throw attempts aren't soft. Dirk's game is FINESSE and he plays smart basketball. To call him soft is insulting his style, and that doesn't help your agruement at all. Dallas is top 5 in the NBA in rebounding difference +3.79, thats a huge part of winning, beating your man on the rebounds. Thats what Dirk has done all season. Dirk doesn't need to bang cause he has Josh Howard, Dampier, Diop on the roster. His job is to beat his man for the defensive rebound, it just doesn't fall to him most of the TIME, Dallas was on ESPN yesterday, you think people leave Dirk open all the time?

Speaking of rebounding difference, its amazing Knicks have a +5.13 rebounding difference. We could really capitalize that, that alone gives a CHANCE to win games every year. We just need to get rid of all the turnover prone players and the guys who don't want to play defense here. I seriously still have hope thanks to guys like David Lee, Richardson, Balkman. Hopefully we keep that stat consistant.

7 Feet has nothing to do with his rebounding, Most 7 footers are slow and lack agility. Dirk accually have good speed for a 7 footer and agility. To disagree you would be wrong. Kurt Thomas, Marion, Brand are all undersized, but yet they're amazing rebounders. Same with David Lee. Its because they have the bodies to bang in the post and they're extremely agressive.

donchris, averaging 9.5 rebounds isn't consistant? You just made 1 and Only's agruement look worse.

[The 1 and Only]

Again I'm only going to argue what's worth arguging about if you get my drift.

"Stop clinging on to Barkley's words"

Man don't be mad because I have a legend backing up on what I've said. Read my earlier posts before I ever mentioned barkley and you will see what I'm talking about.

"You named all of Dirk's bad rebounding games this season? That doesn't help your agruement at all."

Did you read my post where I said that true rebounders don't have off nights? I shut you down in that aspect man. You've never seen Dwight Howard, Charles Barkley, Boozer, Duncan, Brand or anyone of that caliber get 2 or 4 rebounds on several occasions.

"Dwight Howard had 3 rebounds against Phoneix this season and 7 against the clippers."

Did you realize that Howard only played 19 minutes that game? So there's a reason he had 3 rebounds lol. Come on man you can't be serious with this.

I think you skim people's arguement because you obviously....obviously missed the entire point of my post. You lose mad respect from me when you assume on me personally. Obviously you never played big man before lol because when I ball...on defense...I am between my man and the ball and when the shot goes up I box out and jump to the ball at it's peak. That's not much effort man...box out your man and get the ball. On offense...that is the effort because you must fight around the person that is boxing you out and get the rebound. Dirk is 7 feet tall playing power foward in the western conference where they're arent many tall power fowards other than TD. The active PF are harder to keep up with but if you know how to box out and I'm sure Dirk knows how to, you hit the defender back on his heels and box out and jump for the board. It's cake. You can't seriously call this an arguement because I picked apart like it was nothing. I know you can do better than this. But still I respect your opinion...

[metrocard]

Again I'm only going to argue what's worth arguging about if you get my drift.

"Stop clinging on to Barkley's words"

Man don't be mad because I have a legend backing up on what I've said. Read my earlier posts before I ever mentioned barkley and you will see what I'm talking about.

"You named all of Dirk's bad rebounding games this season? That doesn't help your agruement at all."

Did you read my post where I said that true rebounders don't have off nights? I shut you down in that aspect man. You've never seen Dwight Howard, Charles Barkley, Boozer, Duncan, Brand or anyone of that caliber get 2 or 4 rebounds on several occasions.

"Dwight Howard had 3 rebounds against Phoneix this season and 7 against the clippers."

Did you realize that Howard only played 19 minutes that game? So there's a reason he had 3 rebounds lol. Come on man you can't be serious with this.

I think you skim people's arguement because you obviously....obviously missed the entire point of my post. You lose mad respect from me when you assume on me personally. Obviously you never played big man before lol because when I ball...on defense...I am between my man and the ball and when the shot goes up I box out and jump to the ball at it's peak. That's not much effort man...box out your man and get the ball. On offense...that is the effort because you must fight around the person that is boxing you out and get the rebound. Dirk is 7 feet tall playing power foward in the western conference where they're arent many tall power fowards other than TD. The active PF are harder to keep up with but if you know how to box out and I'm sure Dirk knows how to, you hit the defender back on his heels and box out and jump for the board. It's cake. You can't seriously call this an arguement because I picked apart like it was nothing. I know you can do better than this. But still I respect your opinion...

No one is mad, you may be for being have to quote a Barkley saying for this debate. Mentioning Barkley makes your agruement look pretty weak.

I respect your opinion, you just need to bring what your theories on this, no one else, this is what we're doing. We're sharing opinion and facts with each other.

Wrong, you shut me down in that aspect? 100% Wrong. Dwight Howard had a 3 rebound game once this season. True rebounders never have off nights? Carlos Boozer had 5 rebound game this season. Tim Duncan had a 4 rebound game this season, plus two 5 rebound games. Elton Brand is averaging less rebounds than Dirk this season, he had a 3 rebound, a 4 rebound game twice this season. But what does this prove? Obsolutely nothing. You're logic is totally invalid and proves no points. Call of these men are GREAT rebounders, some of the most elite group of rebounders you can in this world. Your logic totally has backfired on you, and you shut yourself down. Everybody in the NBA has an off night in a season. Hell, Kobe had 8 points his recent game, does that mean he has no ability to score? Or "He's still learning how to score?" Hell no, Kobe is the best offensive weapon in the NBA. Dirk finishes top 10 in rebounding every year. Nash will have nights where he doesn't have 10 assist. Thats why average numbers are important. They literrally TELL YOU what this player does on Dirk, and Dirk on an average game rebounds 9-9.5 rebounds per game. Thats pretty good, accually quite elite if you don't think so, then just stop discussing this. Disagreeing to that is like disagreeing that Steve Nash can't pass or Kobe can't score.

Jumping for the ball at peak's is not much effort? You probably grabbed one rebound all year, rebounding is physical work, on both sides, you have to box out no matter if its on offense or defense if you're playing in the paint. Since when boxing out takes no effort? You have no be joking, or seriously going with some far feteched statements to help your agruement. Rebounding takes effort on both sides. If you said there are some rebounds that fall to you easily, I would say you're 100% correct, and I would co-sign to you. But you didn't. You clearly stated that most rebounds fall to you, and I corrected you.


Now you have to be tall to rebound? I already proved you wrong on this, but I guess you didn't want to reply to it. Reggie Evans, Elton Brand, Boozer, Shawn Marion, David Lee, Jason Kidd, Caron Butler, etc. These guys aren't the tallest guys on the league, but they still average a great ammount of rebounds. They have great awareness, a quick jump, and the passion to rebound and not let other opponents get easy offensive rebounds(This is one of Dirk's strength).

Kevin Garnett , Carlos Boozer, Marcus Camby, Tyson Chandler, Yao Ming , Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire, Tim Duncan, Reggie Evans, and Elton Brand all player in the Western Conference. Dirk has to battle with these every night, especially since 6 out of these 10 players play the PF position. So you're trying to take away credit from Dirk cause they're not enough rebounders in the Western Conference? You've been proven wrong yet again. Theres alot of elite rebounds in the Western Conference. Dirk doesn't get it easy, he's not playing in the WNBA. Try to find another theory that will take credit from Dirk's rebounding, call of your theories have came out invalid, extremely false statements by you.

You picked nothing apart, you shot yourself in the foot in a couple of times, You also avoided most of the points from my previous post proving you couldn't hold those other topics down. Only points I've seen made by you in this post "Players don't have off nights" and "Rebounding takes no effort". This agruement takes no effort me, considering you've made mistakes that I can correct, I came here to co-sign, you've could of said "NBA players have off nights" Or "Every player in the NBA has learned how to rebound, thats why they're in the NBA" Or Even "Most rebounds do not fall easily to players, Players have to box out, and be alert on the floor". You said none of these things. What's ironic is that you've said the total opposite, I can't co-sign with false statements, Sorry.

[The 1 and Only]

I like the scam you try to run on every one of my posts lol. On everything I say you TRY to stretch it. Let's provide several examples.....

"Hell, Kobe had 8 points his recent game, does that mean he has no ability to score? Or "He's still learning how to score?" Hell no, Kobe is the best offensive weapon in the NBA. Dirk finishes top 10 in rebounding every year. Nash will have nights where he doesn't have 10 assist. Thats why average numbers are important. They literrally TELL YOU what this player does on Dirk, and Dirk on an average game rebounds 9-9.5 rebounds per game. Thats pretty good, accually quite elite if you don't think so, then just stop discussing this. Disagreeing to that is like disagreeing that Steve Nash can't pass or Kobe can't score."

You see this...notice how you let the "Off-night" notion spread into scoring and assists. I only talked about how a good rebounder never takes a day off yet you bring up scoring and passing to make an assist. You don't have to watch basketball and realize people can struggle to put the ball in the hole. Assists is a stat on how well people can finish after a pass is made. So how is it that you're struggling to get an assist if it's the guys fault for not finishing? What you're saying right here doesn't prove anything. You're babbling right here.

"Now you have to be tall to rebound? I already proved you wrong on this, but I guess you didn't want to reply to it."

Oh I didn't reply to it? "The active PF are harder to keep up with but if you know how to box out and I'm sure Dirk knows how to, you hit the defender back on his heels and box out and jump for the board." That was my reply to you and it's almost like an agreement. Like what I said, you don't fully read my posts. If you want to argue with me than read my posts, read on what i'm trying to say instead of assuming because I always have something for you when you assume.

"So you're trying to take away credit from Dirk cause they're not enough rebounders in the Western Conference? You've been proven wrong yet again."

I want you to show me where I said this. I'm serious about it this time because I'm tired of people telling me I said this and I said this. Go ahead and show me and prove to the world that I'm right. It's crazy how you stretch out my words to strengthen your argument.

"Jumping for the ball at peak's is not much effort? You probably grabbed one rebound all year, rebounding is physical work, on both sides, you have to box out no matter if its on offense or defense if you're playing in the paint."

It doesn't take much effort if you have a 35+ vertical leap and you're naturally a physical player lol. You're a guard so you know what 1 rebound feels like. I have some ruptured tendons in my finger that would beg to differ to your assumptions LOL.

"They have great awareness, a quick jump, and the passion to rebound and not let other opponents get easy offensive rebounds(This is one of Dirk's strength)."

Again i've said this. You basically just said defensive rebounding but instead you just used multiple words to help your argument. I've said this at the very beginning. Remember when I brought up his defensive and offensive rebounds? That's why he averages 8 defensive rebounds a game so he must be good at it lol. I'm knocking his offensive rebounding. You FIGHT for offensive rebounds not necessarily for defensive rebounds. That's if you box out of course. Quit arguing on things that we've agreed to...you would know this if you would read my posts.

And it's funny how you want to correct me and everyone on this thread when you can't even spell Frye's name right. It's frye in stead of fyre. Just a suggestion man just a suggestion...

Now this is where I argue after all the corrections. lol

"you have to box out no matter if its on offense or defense if you're playing in the paint."

How do you box out someone that is boxing you out? lol You obviously must play guard because you're dead wrong with that one.

"Wrong, you shut me down in that aspect? 100% Wrong. Dwight Howard had a 3 rebound game once this season. True rebounders never have off nights? Carlos Boozer had 5 rebound game this season. Tim Duncan had a 4 rebound game this season, plus two 5 rebound games. Elton Brand is averaging less rebounds than Dirk this season, he had a 3 rebound, a 4 rebound game twice this season."

I'm glad you're trying to full everybody again with the same stat line I corrected you last time. Do you even read my posts before arguing? lol Howard had 3 rebounds in 19 minutes. HE ONLY PLAYED 19 MINUTES. Quit with the half-truths. Dag Carlos Boozer had one 5-rebound game. I've named several off nights for dirk and you can only come up with one for boozer. Yes maybe I was wrong for saying "never" but for you to just bring up one bad game not only proves that Boozer is an excellent rebounder but you prove how bad Dirk is when you only just bring up 1 bad game for a true rebounder. Not very strong for your argument man. And I can never argue with duncan. The man plays through some many injuries that's unknown to the public it's not even funny. And I'm talking about real injuires...none of that soft stuff. So I really can't comment on that. And with brand...he's averaging 8.9 rebounds a game and that's well below his average. Also his minutes have dropped too...did you notice that? And quit naming 2 or 3 games and say these are they're off nights. I've named you several....several games and the best you can come up with is 2 or 3 games? We aren't even half way through the season yet and I've named you several examples from dirk which is probably the same number you're going to get with the guys you've just named for the whole season.

Kevin Garnett , Carlos Boozer, Marcus Camby, Tyson Chandler, Yao Ming , Shawn Marion, Amare Stoudemire, Tim Duncan, Reggie Evans, and Elton Brand all player in the Western Conference. Dirk has to battle with these every night, especially since 6 out of these 10 players play the PF position. So you're trying to take away credit from Dirk cause they're not enough rebounders in the Western Conference? You've been proven wrong yet again. Theres alot of elite rebounds in the Western Conference. Dirk doesn't get it easy, he's not playing in the WNBA. Try to find another theory that will take credit from Dirk's rebounding, call of your theories have came out invalid, extremely false statements by you.

Are you sure about this? Dirk is not a great defender...in fact he's a horrible defender. The man doesn't even average a block nor a steal but that's a different story lol. Battle against these guys? lol Do you notice Dirk guards the weaker players when they play these teams i.e. elson or oberto against the spurs, kaman against the clippers, etc. You're crazy if you think avery is going to matchup dirk against these guys because he would be in foul trouble before the "great rebounder" in him emerges. And it's funny that you say my theories ar false or invalid sense i've just proved you wrong again with another piece of evidence... [Only registered and activated users can see links. ]. Look at the first play of the tape and tell me what dirk does lol. I know its just one play but actions are much more valuable than your words. Oh yea, you're right bowen pushes alot of people out of the post but Dirk is bowen's biggest opponent when it comes to defense so saying he pushes alot of people out of the post isn't saying much. You state very little facts and when you do...they are half truths. And when they aren't, they are just opinions. Opinions are very hard to argue with. Instead of telling other people what they should do, you need to check your own posts before attack someone elses...just another suggestion...

I don't mean to attack you like this but regardless I respect your opinion. There's nothing wrong with a nice healthy argument.

[metrocard]

I don't try to strech anything my friend, I'm just explaing my points, nothing more. Its simple.

The 1 and Only, I brought up other catorgories because players in the NBA have an off night. Everyone has some. Theres 82 games in the season. This isn't the NFL where theres 16 games, plus playoffs. You need to understand my point that no one in the NBA is perfectly consistant, guys will have an off night cause either fatigue or the shots aren't just going in. The reason why guys like Kobe, Dirk, Nash are NBA stars is because they produce and can bounce back from off nights.

Fine, you agreed you don't have to be tall to rebound, don't bring up Dirk's height, its totally irrevelant. Especially you knocked the Western Conference for last of tall PF's, when its irrevelant. They have great rebounders. Lets agree on that.

"You FIGHT for offensive rebounds not necessarily for defensive rebounds. That's if you box out of course. "

Thats my point, you said most of the rebounds fall to Dirk, as if the opposition never boxes out. I corrected and said you have to box out or be in the right position for defensive rebounds. This debate started when you said the ball just falls to him, without explain. You've explained yourself better. But we'll agree you need to box out for the boards, some do accually fall to players, I totally acknowledge that. But players don't go into the game thinking that.

"I'm glad you're trying to full everybody again "

I don't understand this at all, must be a typo. Reread your post before you press the submit reply button.

Yeh, 35+ vertical leap and naturally physical. Tim Thomas has had this all his career, but he's been an awful rebounder all his life. But I'm not going to take that statement seriously since you ended it in a LOL.

Please stop this. You're proving nothing right now. 3 rebounds in 19 minutes is poor. It doesn't matter how much he played, in 19 minutes, Dwight has 6-7 rebounds. It wasn't a good rebounding game. and if you watch Dwight, he gets alot of his rebound in the 1st quater. He's the best rebounder in the game with a couple of offnights. I named you atleast 3 off nights. You gave me 4...whats BIG DIFFERENCE? 3-4? Is this your best agruement? Honestly, it proves nothing. We've been through this off night thing, you even agreed with me and proved my point. Every good rebounder has an off night.

Oberto? Did you even watch the Spurs Dallas game at all or are you talking out of your ass? Oberto plays strickly in the PAINT, something Dirk doesn't do. Dirk doesn't need to guard Oberto.

Dude, you make no sense. You replied to my paragraph where I clearly stated "Try to find another theory that will take credit from Dirk's rebounding, call of your theories have came out invalid, extremely false statements by you."

And you go on talking about his defense? Once again you go off a different track. Hit your punchlines, you could of stated something else that would prove Dirk was "learning how to rebound"(I've noticed you've thrown that theory away also, I missed that one it was accually my favorite one ).

Dirk isn't known for his defense, but he's been a career 1 stl/blk guy, which is a positive. One on one, who cares? Dirk gets paid to score and reb, and be the franchise player of an elite NBA team. No one is paying him for his defensive ability. We've known he's not a good defender, why do you think Dallas has so many defensive guys like Howard, Dampier, Harris, Diop? To make the game easier for Dirk.


Its funny you show that video, Dirk took Elson off the dribble, posted him up BODY TO BODY and for the score. Dirk has been doing this more and more and taking less 3pt shots. I murked your "soft" theory, I'm glad you were smart enough not to reply back to that, especially when Dirk finish tops 5 in the NBA in Free Throw attempts. The first play on the game? Who cares, I saw the whole game. That doesn't prove anything at all. It just proves my point again, Dirk was in the right place at the right time, he has great AWARENESS. Thanks for helping me and favoring my side on this debate. You really do all the effort for me, appreciate it.

I state little facts? Thats your opinion and most likely a compliment, you said I stated facts. I'm not going to diss you, I don't feel its necessary, I think the end of your last paragraph came off with a little frustration that you couldn't reply to most of the points I've mad, or you couldn't co-sign. Kinda a cheap shot to say "I state little facts", when you've come to co-sign with my facts and when you ignore the ones you can't debate with, meaning you've agreed and can no longer hold the debate or you just got tired of elobrating on your pointless point.

Nah, I don't need to check my own post, I state what's valid. I have no personal bias or anything. I'm not an Isiah apologist, a Larry Brown apologist. I'm just an open minded basketball fan who likes to discuss the NBA, and in a forum when someone says something false, I'm here to correct. Don't get offended, I just like debating.

[The 1 and Only]

I can't argue with you anymore man...I state facts....back it up with more facts and yet you think you still prove me wrong lol. When I have other people personal messaging me and posting on here not to argue with you because you don't make sense...I should have listened lol. My respect is dwindling and I'mma stop before I lose all respect from you. Me and Dr. C when at it long before you got here and we managed to reach middle ground....seems like all is lost for you my friend. I tried...I really tried.

You're in denial. You don't stretch the truth? I named you 3 to 4 reasons how you stretched the truth yet you still don't? I forgot you "never" stretch the truth.

"I'm glad you're trying to full everybody again "

Dag still in denial. Nope not a typo...in fact I'll type it again....I'm glad you're trying to full everybody again. Understand now?

"Thats my point, you said most of the rebounds fall to Dirk, as if the opposition never boxes out."

If you're going to average 9 rebounds a game...you're going to have to box out. I thought that was a given but obviously you didn't read between the lines. This basketball man...not a science.

"Yeh, 35+ vertical leap and naturally physical. Tim Thomas has had this all his career, but he's been an awful rebounder all his life. But I'm not going to take that statement seriously since you ended it in a LOL."

Tim Thomas....physical....haha. Dag yous shoot put your posts in the comedy column because I definitely get at least one good laugh after I read your post. Come on man, quit playing, that's not what you really mean lol.

"Please stop this. You're proving nothing right now. 3 rebounds in 19 minutes is poor."

Am I not proving anything? Let me give you something for your mind...he didn't play the whole first quarter because he was in foul trouble. Do you even watch these games or sportscenter? Is this reason why he fouled out in 19 minutes?? Perhaps....

"I don't understand this at all, must be a typo. Reread your post before you press the submit reply button."

All I have to say is Frye instead of Fyre lol.

"Oberto? Did you even watch the Spurs Dallas game at all or are you talking out of your ass? Oberto plays strickly in the PAINT, something Dirk doesn't do. Dirk doesn't need to guard Oberto."

Son...I'm not telling you what has to happen. I'm telling you WHAT happened. It's obvious you didn't watch the game because for the most part...that's who he was guarding. HE WAS NOT GUARDING TIM DUNCAN. Get your facts right.

"Dude, you make no sense. You replied to my paragraph where I clearly stated 'Try to find another theory that will take credit from Dirk's rebounding, call of your theories have came out invalid, extremely false statements by you.' "

haha how are YOU, going to tell me what I replied too? I'm not going to respond to that. Do you have that crystal ball I told you to go buy at walmart? lol Another assumption. I can't believe you're telling me what i meant to say....

"And you go on talking about his defense? Once again you go off a different track. Hit your punchlines, you could of stated something else that would prove Dirk was "learning how to rebound"(I've noticed you've thrown that theory away also, I missed that one it was accually my favorite one )."

Isn't this the reason I said that is a different story and I didn't get into that? Throw that with the rest of your silly comments in the trash. Were you high when you wrote this?

"I murked your "soft" theory"

Anyone agree? I haven't heard anyone agree. Barkley is at Dirk's games...I think he knows a lil bit more than you do so I'mma stick to my opinion....S-O-F-T.

"I state little facts? Thats your opinion and most likely a compliment, you said I stated facts. I'm not going to diss you, I don't feel its necessary, I think the end of your last paragraph came off with a little frustration that you couldn't reply to most of the points I've mad, or you couldn't co-sign."

Me get frustrated at at.....at you?? hahaha come on man you're too good at comedy, you need to give this post thing up and go to some club and do some comedy or some junk like that. I don't get frustrated at inept comments like yours that you can't back up with any evidence...any expert opinions, or anything else for that matter therefore I can't respect it. Step ya game up man step ya game up. In fact, I've not only responded to most of your comments...I've basically shut them down. NO ONE AGREES WITH YOU...NO ONE. So for me to get mad or frustrated at you would be wasting my time lol. You're the one that should be mad. You haven't proved me wrong once...you just give your opinion instead of facts and you celebrate lol. Come on man...it's going to take more than your opinion to shut me down. And I know you're going to respond back with some more non sense so I'm expecting it and I'm ready to expose it as garbage like usual.

"Nah, I don't need to check my own post, I state what's valid. I have no personal bias or anything."

Oh you don't need to check your own post? Frye instead of Fyre. And you have no personal bias? You're more radical than Osama bin laden lol. Give it up. We all know you're biased. I know it, donchris knows it, all the moderators know it, we get your point of view. It's just that I don't agree to it. I've stated facts, not only my opinions and I've backed them up. Face it, you're not going to prove me wrong. As of right now I respect your opinion, but if you keep putting garbage like that last post then that I respect that I have for you right now is going right back to the trash with half of your posts so please man...state your facts with opinions and not half-truths and half-assumptions about my posts. Read my post, then read it again, then read it again, then read it again. And if it's too deep for you....just ask me what it means and I'll break it down for you. But for you to assume what it means just kills your credibility in my eyes. Just a suggestion...but for right now...I still got props for your posting skills...you are a worthy opponent lol.

[paris401]

i thought the name of this thread was ... my beef with Isiah ???

[The 1 and Only]

i thought so too

[donchris]

That was very entertaining. Helps the day go by faster. LOL What did you say? You got murked, LOL.

[metrocard]

You can't agrue with me anymore? Lets translate this more clearly. You can't defend your theory that "Dirk is learning how to rebound" Thats how everything got started here, I disagreed with Carpy. Where did he go anyway? It seems like we're the only people in this thread and DonChris pops out time to time to pat you on the balls or leave a gay supportive comment(Joking, but he needs to speak for himself, he kisses alot of ass YOU CAN'T murk anyone when you're from NC...lol b)

"I'm glad you're trying to full everybody again"


EXPLAIN IT, I'm not from the South I don't speak countrybonics.

You make zero sense at all. You thought it was obvious? Then why didn't you SAY IT? Stop being afraid to make your points and stop using invalid theories that I can easily correct. You continue to not hit your points because you're not looking at obvious facts. Everything here is simple. Dirk is a good rebounder and an established NBA rebound. He finishes top ten in the NBA in rebounding every year, he has LEARNED how to rebound. This isn't the NBDL this is the NBA. That is a fact. Dirk has established his rebounding skills, he is what he is. He isn't a banger in the post, but he will grab rebounds for you. This is a COMPLETE FACT, and it is total opposite of what you and Carpy said. You both agreed "Dirk is learning how to rebound". Now you totally ignored the main focus on this debate because you're afraid to hit your points. Do you know why you're afraid to hit obvious points? Because they aren't OBVIOUS and they aren't LOGIC or VALID. Dirk is a NBA veteran, his skills are established. They can IMPROVE, yes, but he has LEARNED how to rebound the basketball. He is the best? NO, everyone knows this. You and Carpy were completely wrong on that statement and this is why I dominated this debate. I kept it simple and explain the most obvious thing known in the NBA, and you were too stubborn to agreed you were wrong. Now you're frustrated, upset, complaining in the beginning of your post and at the end. Stop showing frustration and just DEBATE man. I'm here to listen to every one of your words. Do NOT get upset if you say something wrong. No one here is dissing you. Don't be stubborn and admit it wasn't a reasonable opinion or statement. You tried? Well, you haven't done much except take the beating for Carpy, I know you have to try. You have to try REAL hard to make false statements valid over true, which you've been trying to do the last 2 pages. I repeat, DIRK IS NOT LEARNING HOW TO REBOUND. His skills are established and developed.

When I said naturally physical, I meant Tim Thomas body. The man is 6"10 and 240, and he's brolic. Try to comprehend sentences better. It makes you look stupider cause it was such a simple statement you couldn't understand.

Stop COPYING and pasting all of my quotes too, just scroll down and read, the whole post is below you. Thats why Rady had this forum this kind of format to make easier for people like you to read. Its not that hard, stop TRYING...LOL

You didn't watch the game. Dirk doesn't defend men in the post, Avery Johnson doesn't want Dirk to get in foul trouble, so Dirk stays away from the post on defense. Oberto is in the post most of the time, unless its a pick and roll situation. Why the hell are we even debating this? I watched the game, you watch a 2 minute high of the game. You still can't prove how Dirk is still "learning to rebound" when he's a NBA all star, and an elite PF in this league. Keep running away from the thing that made you lost this debate badly.

There are no Walmarts in NYC, sorry. You once again make no sense. Even when you're not talking about Dirk your statements are far fetched.

Your opinion is equivalent to a child's, learn how to explain yourself then maybe you could get respected as Charles Barkley. Till then, hope off Barkley's nuts and create your own theories. When Barkley calls Dirk soft, he means "Finesse". Most NBA players are soft compared to the 90's when Barkley played. Its a different league, Dirk gets to the free throw and has been more physical the last two years. This is a fact, for every point you make (which is none), I make 4-5 times the points. Notice how I capitalize on each of your errors and come out hitting fact after fact. Fact, Dirk is tops in the NBA in Free Throw attempts. Meaning, he's recieving ALOT of CONTACT in the game. How is that soft? Maybe on defense he's soft. But on offense, he's extremely agressive and isn't afraid of contact. Your opinion has been crushed to the grown, theres nothing you really can do now except agree with me. But knowing you and your stubborn self, you will come up with some other bull**** like "Oh Barkley said this". Like we say in the city, Hop Off.

You've said nothing in this thread. The only thing you've come with a simple typo of Channing Fyre. You've repeated it a hundred times. Honestly, this is the only thing I've seen you proved me wrong on. Its such a simple typo too, its not even that serious. This proves how weak your agruement is. You have to attract attention to that typo and ignored all the key facts I've thrown at you. Stop riding on DonChris' meat, he's the only person who's agreeing with you because he felt like I teabagged his father. He will never agree with anything I say because he's still frustrated at me when I owned him in the other thread. I could say the Knicks unis are blue and orange, he'll disagree. So throw DonChris out the window, you mention here just proves you have zero credibility. The mods? PLEASE, you're obviously TIGHT right now, stop talking **** out of your ass. Step your debating game up. Stay on topic. If you're wrong about something admit it, don't ignore it and go to talk about something else. You've done this about 10-20 times on here, which proves your agruement is weakly presented. Go talk about Channing Fyre's name or DonChris. You couldn't hold a debate and showed your frustration. Keep on Dirk or shut up, I don't have time to waste agruing over a man's name.

[The 1 and Only]

It's a wrrrrrrrrrraaaaapp. I'm done with you son. No one agrees with you...you're all alone, you make no sense, now you're mad and try to offend me and I laugh at every word you say. It's not my fault you can't spell frye LOL. You say the samething when you lose at an argument...oh it's sexual frustration, oh I'm stubborn, oh I don't make any sense. Well if you learned reading comprehension in the 1st grade then you would understand my point. Oh by the way...Dirk had 4 rebounds tonight LOL.

Now going back on topic. Isiah is building something great here. Everyone at the beginning of the year wanted isiah's head on a platter. Now we're on pace to win more games than LB, we have a potential shot at a playoff birth, Eddy is playing like an all-star, Marbury is playing like starbury, chemistry is building, David Lee is a pure monster, the addition of Jared Jeffries has improved us defensively, Q-Rich 3pt J is back, pride in the garden has been revitalized, team unity has taken place, and he doesn't have a plan?

[donchris]

Hold up! Didn't we all agree to cut out the personal insults. Now that I agree with some one that makes a point that every sports analyst has made in the last 3 years you call that gay support. Do the research. Lots of people thought Dirk was soft 3 years ago because he rarely went inside. He often settled for jumpers. You can't get rebounds if you don't go inside. Now he's one of the most dominate players in the league and he's getting boards. I'm am entitled to a response to the gay comment so I'm thinking the metro in your name has nothing to do with metro cards. I think it's because your a metrosexual. A nice word for undercover fag bitch. LOL Ahhhh that felt good. Let's be clear. You started it. That's my response.