i hear what you are saying, but i don't think getting someone special was/is possible last year/this year or next (unless we get lucky in the draft).
i think the cards have been dealt, and this is the team we will be playing with this year, as well as next. i am not sure , but maybe IT has another mid-cap exception for the year so he can sign another defensive wiz like jefferies..
talentless? That doesn't even make sense at all. Layden's roster and team had more sucess than Zeke's. Layden has EXPIRING contracts, we could of had cap space. Isiah TRADED all the expiring contracts away because he's an idiot and Dolan is an *******.
Overall, your post was presented well, don't try to make excuses for Isiah tho, it makes Knick fans look weak.
We could of, could of, should of...had guys like Kobe and etc.
we could of should of had kobe etc?... didnt you make this thread to show what we could of should of would of had?.. so i dont get how you can yell at everyone for continuing on the topic you created. no offense man, that just seems hypocritical.
im not an isiah lover by any means. hes made a few bad moves.
1. Steve Francis.
2. Jerome James.
3. Maurice Taylor (since we gave up a second rounder with it)
4. Larry Brown (waste of a season)
I wont count Jalen cause we ended up getting Renaldo out of the deal.
but as i stated before EVEN after using expiring contracts to get Marbury and Penny. we still had a lot left over! see the Jamal Crawford deal (WHICH was a year after this arguement sparked from).
Allan Houston was the killer. play and simple. Love the guy but his contract (thanks to Layden) stopped us from getting Kobe. thats final. if we didnt have that extra 17 million on board.. where would of it gone. in Mr. Bryants back pocket. blame isiah blame dolan blame marbury who cares. THAT move (not saying all of our misfortunes are layden made cause isiah is part of this mess) but THAT move is what stopped us from getting Kobe Bryant..
that and he probably never wanted to play in New York to begin with ahha
and do da knicks really need a kobe bryant type player??i say ron artest is more valuable for the knicks
I think the solution is simple: Fire IT the GM. Retain IT the coach. I think he's a decent coach -- the players respond to him, and he protects his players in return. No doubt the team appears to work better this year under IT as opposed to last year under Brown's tutelage.
Some people have already commented that IT has shown enough progress that Dolan will keep him around next year. I would be fine with that so long as the GM decisions are being made by someone with the ability to fix the cap chaos this team has been dealing with for too long.
Actually, I agree with this sentiment. As a coach he's been good, but as a gm his record has been subpar. If Isiah was a better gm Vince Carter would be in a Knick uniform and Crawford would still be in Chicago. Also,
CHICAGO WOULDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO SWITCH PICKS IN THE NEXT DRAFT.
Who cares about the 1st round pick now? It won't equate to Greg Oden. There some decent guys coming out but we only need an elite PG to learn from marbury. We have tons of forwards. So what have the Knicks truly lost? Curry come in and given us the production we need at the 5. Again we should just focus on another PG or SG. But at 3-5, we're good. Focus on what we have and where we are. The maybe we could have had Kobe is unfounded. Kobe even if we had cleared cap space, would always have the ability to sign with Lakers for the max. He would have had to take a paycut to come here, or a sign and trade. There's nobody on most rosters that I could see Kupchak (Los Angeles G.M.) giving Kobe away for. So explain how The Knicks Franchise could've obtained Kobe.
By the way, real mature name for this thread.
Last edited by dr.carpy; Feb 02, 2007 at 17:14.
HAHAAAAAA. Metro you must have been bored to start up this topic again. I'm just happy that you labled me donvito and not a monkey or a stalker. LoL.
I've come to Isiah's aid before for my own personal reasons and it has nothing to do with sexual preference because mine is *****. I really didn't want to get on this but I've always felt that some people did not like the idea of NY having minority coaches or GMs. Sorry to be the first to play the "race card" but I think this point may be valid. Now this is not to say that Thomas hasn't made bad choices because he clearly has. I just don't remember this same outrage when Layden was running the show. It's been pointed out before of how so many fans love David Lee, a solid role player but not a star. Many of these same fans want Thomas' head for not starting Lee. You've got to wonder if race, scratch that, I hate that word, Ethnic background has anything to do with the love and hate of certain players.
LOL...hypocritical? Are you bugging now? You're not an Isiah apologist, but dares to say he made a few bad moves? Not even Isiahsexuals would say such a thing.
Listen, The Allan Houston thing wouldn't have been a problem if Dolan/Isiah left everything alone. We had tons of expiring contracts with Layden and cap space hope in the future in 03'. Now we have to wait to 08-09 for cap space.
No matter WHAT, The Dolan/Isiah regime will always be wrong for ignoring the cap space and thinking they can win with trades that don't favor the Knicks organization.
Cap space matters, get it over, now.
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word? lets get tipsy but 20 is too much, martinis is lite stuff you could get free at Subway Inn Bar in NYC
After the 2008-2009 season we'll be able 2 get a big named player so Isaiah hasn't done the worst job in the world as Knicks GM.
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