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    According to the daily news:
    Isiah Thomas keeps saying that the Knicks are unlikely to be players ahead of the trade deadline, but rumors are surfacing that they are showing interest in Drew Gooden, Ruben Patterson and Ron Artest.

    I personally feel that these could be potentially great moves DEPENDING on what we have to give up to get them.
    Drew Gooden- I would not give up either Frye, Lee or Curry for him. Crawford or Richardson with Draft picks I would do.
    Ruben Patterson- You probably don't have to give up much to get him. We could probably sign him for the mid level during the off season.
    Ron Artest- I would use one of the young guys; Frye or Lee, to add into the package to land him but ONLY if I was getting Gooden. It doesn't make sence to trade one of the big guys for him and really depleating an already thin fron line.

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    If Drew Gooden can be effective being the second sometimes third option on a team where he or someone else is open because LeBron James is ALWAYS doubled, what would he do for the Knicks? He can seemingly handle the pressure of playing in Cleveland, so bring him to the Knicks? This is a trade especially cause it would more than likely involve Frye or Lee, that if it happened, I would want Isiah gone as GM. And read my posts, I've been an IT supporter. That however would be the straw...ya'll know the rest. Patterson plays well, but makes 7.8 Mil, so for a Jeffries we could get him, but he doesn't shoot FT's well, and will want more money next year as his deal is ending. Add in that he's turning 32, I don't know if we should commit big money to a 32 Yr. old. I love Artest. Plain and simple. If we could bring him in that a guy who a stat stuffer! Plus it would be nice if he helped us win instead of hanging one on us like he did a couple times this season. 7.1 Mil this seasonso for Frye and Rose/Jeffries we could get Artest. Here's hoping!!!! C'mon Isiah pull out those Jedi Mind Tricks and make Artest a Knick!

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    Originally Posted by dr.carpy
    If Drew Gooden can be effective being the second sometimes third option on a team where he or someone else is open because LeBron James is ALWAYS doubled, what would he do for the Knicks? He can seemingly handle the pressure of playing in Cleveland, so bring him to the Knicks? This is a trade especially cause it would more than likely involve Frye or Lee, that if it happened, I would want Isiah gone as GM. And read my posts, I've been an IT supporter. That however would be the straw...ya'll know the rest. Patterson plays well, but makes 7.8 Mil, so for a Jeffries we could get him, but he doesn't shoot FT's well, and will want more money next year as his deal is ending. Add in that he's turning 32, I don't know if we should commit big money to a 32 Yr. old. I love Artest. Plain and simple. If we could bring him in that a guy who a stat stuffer! Plus it would be nice if he helped us win instead of hanging one on us like he did a couple times this season. 7.1 Mil this seasonso for Frye and Rose/Jeffries we could get Artest. Here's hoping!!!! C'mon Isiah pull out those Jedi Mind Tricks and make Artest a Knick!
    Gooden is a legit rebounder and as far as scoring, with Curry on the floor, he does not have to worry about scoring. I did say in my post, I would not use Frye or Lee to get him. But, Cleveland is not happy with Huges's game and I think they could be interested in Crawford to Flank James. I also believe that we could Patterson for the mid because of his age. If not, who cares if we don't get him. Bringing Gooden and Artest would be a tremendous up grade and this is coming from someone who didn't want Artest originally.

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    yeah id love to take Gooden in exchange for Frye. i love frye dont get me wrong but hes a scoring shooting big man, we have eddy to score and a David Lee/Drew Gooden combo to play alongside Eddy is what he really really needs. especially since Gooden is such a good defender of big men. a contract or two would have to be included so thats what we should actually be scared of. and i wouldnt give up craw for him because that makes our 2 spot weak.

    artest id take in a heart beat. id give up craw & frye for him. i dont care.

    regarding Gooden again, they reallllllllly want a PG. If they take francis off our shoulders (sadly alongside frye or better yet Nate) id do it as soon as they said Steve.

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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    According to the daily news:
    Isiah Thomas keeps saying that the Knicks are unlikely to be players ahead of the trade deadline, but rumors are surfacing that they are showing interest in Drew Gooden, Ruben Patterson and Ron Artest.

    I personally feel that these could be potentially great moves DEPENDING on what we have to give up to get them.
    Drew Gooden- I would not give up either Frye, Lee or Curry for him. Crawford or Richardson with Draft picks I would do.
    Ruben Patterson- You probably don't have to give up much to get him. We could probably sign him for the mid level during the off season.
    Ron Artest- I would use one of the young guys; Frye or Lee, to add into the package to land him but ONLY if I was getting Gooden. It doesn't make sence to trade one of the big guys for him and really depleating an already thin fron line.
    u would trade crawford and a draft pick to get gooden but not frye?! that makes no kind of sense, i just hope jamal is not in that trade for gooden cuz that would put the cavs as title contenders

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    if we get artest, we push Q to the 2 and ron at the 3 Dlee at the 4 and Curry at C with steph running the point...

    damn - that's gonna be a nice balanced offensive/defensive team!

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    u would trade crawford and a draft pick to get gooden but not frye?! that makes no kind of sense, i just hope jamal is not in that trade for gooden cuz that would put the cavs as title contenders
    Yeah you are right Crawford is good they shouldn't get rid of him.

    This is the article I picked up online

    It's Gooden plenty of trade talk
    February 14
    New York Daily News: "There are whispers about the Knicks making a play for Cleveland power forward Drew Gooden. Or maybe they'll opt for a small forward along the lines of Milwaukee's Ruben Patterson or Sacramento's Ron Artest."

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    More Artest talk huh. Well I don't doubt Ronnie's ability but I don't want him to hinder the team with his off court antics. Remember he'd be playing in one of the greatest cities in the world. There's a lot of court **** to get into in NY. Other than that, if he's matured and can focus, we could be a dominate force in the east. I like the Gooding idea. Kind of like a weak Ewing/Oakley duo.

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    I don't see a need for Gooden. We have one of the best rebounders in the game in David Lee, who should be starting by the way. Artest would make this team a legitimate threat in the east. Like Trin Starr said, Starbury at the 1, Q. at 2, Artest at 3, with Lee at 4 and Curry at 5. That would be a team that could really compete.

    Sending Frye and Nate and maybe another piece to get Artest might work. I would want to keep Craw though, he really is an important part of this team. Whether he starts or comes off the bench.

    This is all speculation of course. I don't think Isiah is going to make any moves this year anyway.

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    I believed the same thing when coming to Isiah and trading this deadline. I think in his heart of hearts he wants to prove he can succeed with the exact same roster from last year. BUT his stance has slightly changed I feel. Three weeks ago I would of said no, no interest in trading. the same 2 weeks ago. but after JJ made the lineup and Lees and Q's minutes get cut in the past couple of games I think hes starting to showcase PLUS he changed his stance by saying "i dont see A LOT of moves coming" that means he sees some.

    To get Gooden itd take Malik and Frye I think. Gooden is not much of a scorer but a legit rebounder and a above average defender. Id do it if that means Maliks contract is gone.

    As for Artest.. you have to figure into what Sacramento needs. Its either Bibby or Artest and it looks like Artest will be the one to go. His contract is relatively small and Sac will need a PF and SF in return. A Jared Jeffries/Channing Frye duo might work. or a Jamal Crawford and Channing Frye. I think Frye would have to be a definite here. Id pull the plus aslong as we dont give up Curry or Lee.

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    You cannot give up Crawford unless you get a scoring guard in return. When Curry is locked down by the double, Crawford has been a huge threat. Plus, while inconsistent as a Knick, he's been huge lately.

    I think the Artest trade is a good one. That would require IT to admit that the signing of Jeffries was a mistake, since Artest would be doing the defensive work Jeffries was supposedly brought in to do. Plus, I thought the Kings were doing pretty well. Are they looking to deal anyway?

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    i'd luv artest in ny , not so sure about gooden, but for who??

    i'm not a jamal fan, but have to admit he is playing better , and don't se I.T. trading his ass... any trade for frye or lee or nate will have to include a contract. if we take jamal off the table what chips we got??

    jerome (burger king) james... he ain't going anywhere
    jefferies... see above comments... signed for 5m a year, and if he is traded there is a 15% kicker
    stevie franchise... there is a line at the door wanting to pay his ass 32m for the next 2 years
    malik... solid citizen, not much of a player, and has 2 more years

    yep I.T. u got lots of chips to play...

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    I don't see a need for Gooden. We have one of the best rebounders in the game in David Lee, who should be starting by the way. Artest would make this team a legitimate threat in the east. Like Trin Starr said, Starbury at the 1, Q. at 2, Artest at 3, with Lee at 4 and Curry at 5. That would be a team that could really compete.

    Sending Frye and Nate and maybe another piece to get Artest might work. I would want to keep Craw though, he really is an important part of this team. Whether he starts or comes off the bench.

    This is all speculation of course. I don't think Isiah is going to make any moves this year anyway.
    I understand we do not need for his rebounding, but we definitely need him for his D! Come on man, it aint about bounding, how much better can we get, we are already first in bounds in the league! Imagine if we have a three player rotation of EC34, DLee, and Gooden...That sounds a lot better than what Frye can give us...Now, on Artest...I personally think he would be willing to make the adjustment of not being crazy b/c like Marbs, he has always publically said that he wants to play for us one day...I would take either one, but I think we have more of an issue at defending PF's (Frye, Lee). QRich, JJ20 (eventhough he has been garbage, he can only get better right?) and Balkman got that locked down at the 3...I really think we should shop Frye and Nate (especially) with a Franchise or Malik kicker b/c I personally feel that they really do not have much to offer us with our direction. I feel these four players DO NOT help the chemistry we are trying to build..(JJ13 is not going anywhere b/c he is just useless)Therefore, lets see how we can get Gooden!

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    Trade Icon Gooden???

    Artest I would trade JJ20 and Frye for... since Ron-Ron can fill the scoring void Frye's absence would create... he is a better rebounder than Frye and can indeed play the defense JJ20 was paid for...

    Drew Gooden I wouldn't trade Frye for... The only players that make sense for the knicks and cavs would be Stevie Franchise and Nate Robinson for Drew Gooden and Eric Snow... Stevie gives the Cavs a nice combo guard off the bench and Nate is a more athletic alternative to Damon Jones as #2 off the bench... not sure if the salary numbers match up exactly... but the Cavs might try to coax Stevie's talents out of dormancy (remember this is a former co-rookie of the year)...

    Ruben Patterson I would leave alone...

    The Knicks should go after Gerald Wallace though... he's 24... a good defender and a blossoming offensive performer... i read somewhere that G-Wall is thinking of opting out of his deal at the end of the season... i'd give up Q-Rich, JJ20, Franchise, JJ13, Frye or Nate to try to pry him away... not sure if the Cats would take any of them though...

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    Originally Posted by ShairanXIII
    Artest I would trade JJ20 and Frye for... since Ron-Ron can fill the scoring void Frye's absence would create... he is a better rebounder than Frye and can indeed play the defense JJ20 was paid for...

    Drew Gooden I wouldn't trade Frye for... The only players that make sense for the knicks and cavs would be Stevie Franchise and Nate Robinson for Drew Gooden and Eric Snow... Stevie gives the Cavs a nice combo guard off the bench and Nate is a more athletic alternative to Damon Jones as #2 off the bench... not sure if the salary numbers match up exactly... but the Cavs might try to coax Stevie's talents out of dormancy (remember this is a former co-rookie of the year)...

    Ruben Patterson I would leave alone...

    The Knicks should go after Gerald Wallace though... he's 24... a good defender and a blossoming offensive performer... i read somewhere that G-Wall is thinking of opting out of his deal at the end of the season... i'd give up Q-Rich, JJ20, Franchise, JJ13, Frye or Nate to try to pry him away... not sure if the Cats would take any of them though...
    Gerald Wallace is a very good player but is, in my opinion, very wreckless and potentially a Allan Houston cotract in the making. I feel Wallace is going to be seriously injured early in his career and will be the type of player that people will be talking about saying how great he could have been if he didn't get injured.

    I agree, use Frye to get Artest, keep Lee and try to get Gooden with Crawford. I also would see if we could land a defensive 2 to flank Marbury.

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