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    Lenny Wilkins wasn't fired. The official reason for his departure was to be with his sick mother. So in other words he quit. I ream Lenny was pissed about the KVH trade. This is one of those things that people that like and dislike Thomas will never agree on. At this point I think most fans can tell you that Thomas is a good coach but not so good of a GM. We've got the right coach and he should coach his own hand picked team. Still no basketball fan that is not a Knicks fan expected this team to make the play offs. The only change that was made over last summer was getting Jefferies, which didn't pan out but most experts agreed that the trade made the Knicks a better defensive team. This is why I don't hold much stock in what ESPN analysts say. But then again may be Jefferies and Frye just had a bad year and next year starting 3 6'11 guys will pan out. Who knows. It looks good on paper. My point is we didn't miss the play offs because of our coach. We missed the play offs because of injured key players. That's not a cop out its just how I see it.

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    The Knicks didn't lose because of injuries... we lost because of our inconsistent play... never winning more than 3 in a row (i think) and that string of trading wins and losses was almost comical... BUT... i do want this squad to succeed with IT... I truly believe we can be champs in 5 years if we develop our group... I think more detrimental than the KVH trade was the coaching carousel... we shoulda kept Herb from the jump... but now let's keep IT in the hot seat for another 2 seasons so he can ride out with his team...

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    I agree 100%

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    Originally Posted by ShairanXIII
    The Knicks didn't lose because of injuries... we lost because of our inconsistent play... never winning more than 3 in a row (i think) and that string of trading wins and losses was almost comical... BUT... i do want this squad to succeed with IT... I truly believe we can be champs in 5 years if we develop our group... I think more detrimental than the KVH trade was the coaching carousel... we shoulda kept Herb from the jump... but now let's keep IT in the hot seat for another 2 seasons so he can ride out with his team...
    LMAO...great idea.

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    Originally Posted by The 1 and Only
    Yo if I had that answer...I'd be just as good of a soothsayer as somebody else on this site....no names no names lol. Besides that question holds no relevance...I want to win now. What most people on this site must realize is that there is a difference in not liking where we are going with the current roster and hoping Isiah and Dolan fail so they'll get the boot. I want to win...I could careless who my GM is, but to win now... that would mean for Isiah to win now. And some of you don't want that. Some of you have true hate for the guy and that's not what being a KNICK FAN is all about. Me, personally, I could careless if you are a hater or a faker (no names no names) but just keep the negativity to yourself. When someone brings something negative then a childish bickermatch begins and no one wants to see that. It's prolly too late for some of the big mouths on here but Grown men will act grown and lil girls will for the most part be lil girls....or Net fans or heat fans...whatever you prefer lol. So the crossroad question I have to ask for some you Net fans or knick fans that call yourselves knick fans is this...Do you really want to see this team succeed with Isiah or do you want them to lose the next 2-3 years so Isiah will get fired?....that is all
    I feel your frustration. It's hard when your team is struggling and fans bash the whole organization down to the teams best players and the water boy. It makes you wander why bother supporting a team if you can't stand the teams best players? But this doesn't mean they aren't fans. It means they are frustrated and want to win. This is why I don't get involved in the back and fourth any more. We all want the same thing. I'm just glad that some of you jokesters aren't in charge because this team would be torn apart. Don't like Zek? That's fine, I didn't like Houston. Put all emotional B.S. aside and you've got to admit that the team responds well to Thomas and he is a good leader. At this point I can say regardless of the past, Thomas is the right coach for us right now. He's the right coach to bring the Knick to the play off level. If I didn't believe that I wouldn't support him or any other coach.

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    Originally Posted by ShairanXIII
    The Knicks didn't lose because of injuries... we lost because of our inconsistent play... never winning more than 3 in a row (i think) and that string of trading wins and losses was almost comical... BUT... i do want this squad to succeed with IT... I truly believe we can be champs in 5 years if we develop our group... I think more detrimental than the KVH trade was the coaching carousel... we shoulda kept Herb from the jump... but now let's keep IT in the hot seat for another 2 seasons so he can ride out with his team...
    I like Herb but he would be gone right now if he kept on coaching and NY fans would be calling for his head like they did every other coach sense JVG.

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    Herb won like 33 games... lost something like 36 games by 6 points or less... as coaches grow and develop... they become better... see Byron Scott... Larry Bird... shyte... even IT... Herb never got a chance to succeed as he was an interim replacement and always looked over for the splashy name... if we woulda kept him... they woulda gelled with their coach and improved their chemistry... maybe even be a playoffs flameout... but constant upheaval never breeds success...

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    Originally Posted by Starks
    Originally, I was gona write a 5 page essay that pretty much said "I TOLD ALL OF YOU FOOLS MONTHS AGO!", but I figured its better to keep things chill and open up the floor to all fans (pro and anti- status quo).

    Lets get it straight, I'm anti-status quo. I know theres been glimmers of hope, but simply said, I am not happy about this season.

    At the end of the day, it comes to this:
    The current Eastern Conf, is the worst in NBA History. Before the season even started, the Knicks were a lock to win 10-15 games more than last year- so there record doesnt mean a damn thing to me. To be 15 games under .500 in such a weak division is NOTHING, I REPEAT NOTHING TO BE PROUD OF!

    Morale victories don't count in my book- maybe it does for some of you guys, but not me. My 94-99 era Knicks would be ashamed to be anything less than 10 games over .500, and you all should be to.

    So if the goal this season was "significant progress"- then NO. I don't see enough to warrant any extension of the current status quo.

    I'm not seduced enough by Eddy Curry and David Lee's development, Stephon playing well down the stretch, and anything else.

    Face it, as fans, The Knicks have failed us. They have let us down for the 6th year in a row.

    I work in the corporate world and know a thing or to about ROI. So if us as fans are looked upon as "customers"- then you have every right to feel that the product sold to you should be returned.
    If you look at us fans as "investors"- then you have every right to feel that your product is a failure

    So has Zeke showed us "Significant Progress"???? NOPE! We still suck
    This was a gangsta post.

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