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    Originally Posted by hometheaterguy
    The Knicks need to decide if they are going to rebuild or make a run.
    I don't think any GM should be set on either option.
    If the right opportunity comes along, I would definitely trade some of the youth on the team even David Lee for a player like Jermaine O'neil or Kevin Garnett.

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    Originally Posted by KnicksFan112
    I don't think any GM should be set on either option.
    If the right opportunity comes along, I would definitely trade some of the youth on the team even David Lee for a player like Jermaine O'neil or Kevin Garnett.
    I disagree, I think it is the job of a GM to decide on what direction their franchise is going. If they decide to go the youth movement and happen to have a great year a looks like they can make a run, then yes, a decision needs to be made on making a key trade. But, a GM has to have a game plan.

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    in my opinion, the knicks should stick with rebuilding but if a player like jermaine o'neil or kevin garnett comes around, they have to bite. obviously, they shouldn't give up the whole farm for them but i feel that we could make a trade and still end up with enough players to contend for a championship. for example, maybe we could trade frye or lee, steve francis, and a protected first round draft pick. don't kill me if the salaries doesn't match.

    starters
    pg marbury
    sg crawford
    sf q rich
    pf garnett/o'neil
    c curry

    bench
    pg nate robinson
    sg mardy collins
    sf renaldo balkman/jared jeffries
    pf frye or lee (whichever we end up keeping)
    c malik rose/jerome james (if they can't man the position, maybe the knicks
    could pick up a free agent center with their mid-level exception)

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    Originally Posted by KnicksFan112
    in my opinion, the knicks should stick with rebuilding but if a player like jermaine o'neil or kevin garnett comes around, they have to bite. obviously, they shouldn't give up the whole farm for them but i feel that we could make a trade and still end up with enough players to contend for a championship. for example, maybe we could trade frye or lee, steve francis, and a protected first round draft pick. don't kill me if the salaries doesn't match.

    starters
    pg marbury
    sg crawford
    sf q rich
    pf garnett/o'neil
    c curry

    bench
    pg nate robinson
    sg mardy collins
    sf renaldo balkman/jared jeffries
    pf frye or lee (whichever we end up keeping)
    c malik rose/jerome james (if they can't man the position, maybe the knicks
    could pick up a free agent center with their mid-level exception)
    That would be awesome if we could get either of those players for Frye! Because essentially that is how your trade breaks down. To get Garnett you will have to give up both Lee and Frye as well as Crawford and probably Jeffreys (Just to use his contract) and a money filler like Rose. To get O'Neil is probably the same minus Frye or Lee; You would have to use one of them, I don't think you need both of those guys to get him. Not to say Indiana wouldn't hold out until the Knicks caved in and give up both. Keep in mind that Chicago is also interested in Garnett and Gasol; they have Deng, Gordon and Tyrus Thomas that they can dangle in front of these teams. The one thing that can help the Knicks with O'Neil is that he seems to be asking for NY.

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    OK, in response to theose who disagree...Indiana will not trade JO to us....they already made a big mistake with the golden state trade, get it out of your minds....Garnet is not a prospect, he is not looking at new york, he wants to go to LA with kobe, Gasol is not going anywhere, we dont have the players to give memphis, we have no Big men of his calliber....when gasol came off his injury this season, they won games....im tired of these NBA 2k7 an live 07 trade proposals...come on man, u think we are reaaaally going to get these stars for our current players? lets talk reality here, we need development, not gossip about trades that wont happen. Lets b real knick fans.

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    On another note, if you match salaries by 4 players to one, that cannot work, if we give up 4 players for garnet or Jo, who will we be getting? trust me, they will take that as an oppertunity to give us a superstar who is aging, dump off 3 contracts on us and they automatically are years ahead of us in rebuilding. I dont know about you guys, but i dont want to see a playoff run, or a championship one year, and garnett gets injured and we're at the bottom of the rung again. I trust that isiah is building a dynasty....Miami wins one with shaq, then what....i want new york to be like Detroit or san antonio. I think with time, frye can be the next tim duncan if he studies his footwork well...collins...maybe the next kidd....balkman, a dennis rodman kinda guy... Dont give up on jerome james as yet....isiah will whip him into shape this summer...along with curry

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    Originally Posted by Toons
    On another note, if you match salaries by 4 players to one, that cannot work, if we give up 4 players for garnet or Jo, who will we be getting? trust me, they will take that as an oppertunity to give us a superstar who is aging, dump off 3 contracts on us and they automatically are years ahead of us in rebuilding. I dont know about you guys, but i dont want to see a playoff run, or a championship one year, and garnett gets injured and we're at the bottom of the rung again. I trust that isiah is building a dynasty....Miami wins one with shaq, then what....i want new york to be like Detroit or san antonio. I think with time, frye can be the next tim duncan if he studies his footwork well...collins...maybe the next kidd....balkman, a dennis rodman kinda guy... Dont give up on jerome james as yet....isiah will whip him into shape this summer...along with curry
    You make a good point. I'd love to get Garnett but I raised this question with a friend of mine from Brooklyn a few weeks ago. How will getting Garnett or Oneal affect Curry's game. I'm one of those guys that believes Curry will be the best Center in the league in the near future and as much as I'd love to see a Marbury/Garnett team in NY the fact is we don't need a big name player. We need a shot blocker and rebounder. Hell, we need Camby. I don't have a solid position on this. I'm for getting Garnett but if not it wont be a loss.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    You make a good point. I'd love to get Garnett but I raised this question with a friend of mine from Brooklyn a few weeks ago. How will getting Garnett or Oneal affect Curry's game. I'm one of those guys that believes Curry will be the best Center in the league in the near future and as much as I'd love to see a Marbury/Garnett team in NY the fact is we don't need a big name player. We need a shot blocker and rebounder. Hell, we need Camby. I don't have a solid position on this. I'm for getting Garnett but if not it wont be a loss.
    I agree with you 100%... This is why I believe the knicks should grab Sean Williams from BC in the draft. He is a Camby type player, he doesn't look for a shot, his main goal in life is to block a shot. We get him we stay young. But that will leave the knicks crowded at PF... Frye or Lee will have to go. and I think we could possibly get Ray Allen for the right price. that price may include Crawford and Nate along with Frye and Lee. I love Craw, but Allen's shooting and all around skill is undeniable ... I posted info on Sean Williams on another Thread but thought it would be fitting on this one as well.

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    Originally Posted by lilman_bklyn
    I agree with you 100%... This is why I believe the knicks should grab Sean Williams from BC in the draft. He is a Camby type player, he doesn't look for a shot, his main goal in life is to block a shot. We get him we stay young. But that will leave the knicks crowded at PF... Frye or Lee will have to go. and I think we could possibly get Ray Allen for the right price. that price may include Crawford and Nate along with Frye and Lee. I love Craw, but Allen's shooting and all around skill is undeniable ... I posted info on Sean Williams on another Thread but thought it would be fitting on this one as well.

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    Considering this is suppose to be a deep draft, maybe we could trade Frye or Lee and this year's first round draft pick for a higher draft pick.

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    Originally Posted by Toons
    On another note, if you match salaries by 4 players to one, that cannot work, if we give up 4 players for garnet or Jo, who will we be getting? trust me, they will take that as an oppertunity to give us a superstar who is aging, dump off 3 contracts on us and they automatically are years ahead of us in rebuilding. I dont know about you guys, but i dont want to see a playoff run, or a championship one year, and garnett gets injured and we're at the bottom of the rung again. I trust that isiah is building a dynasty....Miami wins one with shaq, then what....i want new york to be like Detroit or san antonio. I think with time, frye can be the next tim duncan if he studies his footwork well...collins...maybe the next kidd....balkman, a dennis rodman kinda guy... Dont give up on jerome james as yet....isiah will whip him into shape this summer...along with curry
    The problem with you theory of Isiah building a Dynasty is that Isiah has traded away lottery picks and brought in very bad contracts in his time with the Knicks. His actions are not of a GM that is rebuilding but a GM that is desperate for players and changes (and no clue how to make good trades). Isiah wants to be the guy to bring a championship to NY, he's just going about it really wrong with his moved. Malik Rose, Mourice Taylor, Frances, ect... all moves that do not make sense now or for the future. he traded away 2 lottery picks and a 2nd rounder for Curry as well. Also, you are wrong about the Knicks having enough to get a player, historically teams that have traded away high priced stars never get back equal or close to equal value for the player. The Knicks could get O'Neil for Fry/Lee and Crawford, plus a pick and a smaller long term contract. As far as using multiple players to make a trade. That's why it ii important for Isiah to be smart with the make up of the trade. If he was to get O'Neil, he needs to make sure that he has a bench player that can help that player to relieve some of his minutes and get him rest. That's why I would love to see him bet O'Neil and keep Frye. Use Lee and Crawford to get him so that Frye can help rest up O'Neil coming off the bench. Draft picks are a crap shoot at best, so it is better to get a proven entity, especially one that really fills a need. O'Neil will fill a need. The Knicks also have an advantage over most teams, they can afford his contract and the tax hit that it will make, all most every other team can not say that. If the Bulls decide they want him, then the Knicks might be in trouble, but I think they are going to go after Garnett or Gasol instead. I think Isiah showed something last season by not making a stupid trade at the deal line so maybe this will send out a message that he will not be raked over the coals anymore just to make a trade.

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    to put this mildly... IF IT makes any trades this off season... you can bet we get the shaft of the deal...

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    Only way i'd trade Frye is to get Garnettor Ray Allen. Allen would be the better choice since we're building the team around Curry we need that outside threat and I GUARANTEE that both Curry and Allen would thrive if they are on the court 2gether. If the Knicks trade Frye 4 O'neal u guys will be pissed in the very near future mark my words

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    This is the way I see it...we have David Lee, Channing Frye, Eddy Curry, Nate Robinson, Mardy Collins, and Renaldo Balkman that are young talented players that we can build around...that is half of our active roster. We don't need another draft pick...we need to get vets that have there head on straight to come in and fill the gaps. We need a player like PJ Brown or someone of that nature. Because if we get another rookie and he's a big man...then who is he going to learn from...Frye? Eddy Curry? David Lee? Unless Patrick Ewing comes in or Mark Aguirre drinks a youth potion then there is no hope for a young big to come in here and advance quickly. The only way they'll be able to learn is from Mark Aguirre or Pat Ewing if he comes in. Which aren't bad options by the way but we need a vet big that Pat Ewing can say hey...play like that guy or do the things he does on defense...as of right now we have no one on the roster that fits that description...

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    Originally Posted by FameMos
    Only way i'd trade Frye is to get Garnettor Ray Allen. Allen would be the better choice since we're building the team around Curry we need that outside threat and I GUARANTEE that both Curry and Allen would thrive if they are on the court 2gether. If the Knicks trade Frye 4 O'neal u guys will be pissed in the very near future mark my words
    Sounds good. Ray Allen may be the best trade possible for NY. No worries about how he will fit in with Curry and Marbury can finally play the traditional PG role. The only thing is Allen has a long, long term contract. We'd be paying him 18 Million in the final year of his contract. But if we could rid our selves of Francis and a few more long term contracts it may be worth it.
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    Originally Posted by donchris
    Sounds good. Ray Allen may be the best trade possible for NY. No worries about how he will fit in with Curry and Marbury can finally play the traditional PG role. The only thing is Allen has a long, long term contract. We'd be paying him 18 Million in the final year of his contract. But if we could rid our selves of Francis and a few more long term contracts it may be worth it.
    I love Ray Allen as much as the next guy and if we can use Crawford and Frances to get him; I do not want to trade away a big guy for another guard. Yes Curry and Allen would be a great tandem but we would still have the problem of a dominate defender that the Knicks need to address. We need to use Crawford as part of trade for a big guy! The Knicks will only be able to make 1 major move this off season and they have to address the GLARING issue, defense!!!! Domination in the post!!!

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