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    I rather have a crazy distruptive Artest for 82 games than Jamal chucking up asinine shots all season.

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    Originally Posted by dr.carpy
    It depends on which Artest we get. Do we get the guy that wants to win, or the guy in Sacremento who's shot selection was equal to that of Crawford. Trying to force things. I love Artest. Right now however, I feel he has more on his mind than basketball. If he could come to New York without all the drama, I'd say fine. However, I don't think that will be possible. Consider this, we'd be his 4th team in 8 yrs. Where does that leave Balkman and his development? Artest avg. 37 MPG. For all the Anti-Crawford sentiment, Crawford is a higher clutch performer according to 82games.com. He thrives in situations when the game is on the line. He's over 51% in those situations.
    I agree completely. I say trade crawford and channing frye instead of nate robinson for Lewis instead. That would be such a great deal since Frye doesn't fit in well with the current knicks roster.

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    Y trade Frye 4 Lewis when there's a possiblity we can try and get Garnett, Artest and there's a [U]slight[U] chance we could get Kobe. We should just wait it out 4 a lil bit 2 see what we can do.

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    Originally Posted by FameMos
    Y trade Frye 4 Lewis when there's a possiblity we can try and get Garnett, Artest and there's a [U]slight[U] chance we could get Kobe. We should just wait it out 4 a lil bit 2 see what we can do.
    Agreed, this where Isiah can make a huge mistake. We should try to obtain Artest or KG before anyone, if that fails, then pull the trigger on the Lewis deal.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Agreed, this where Isiah can make a huge mistake. We should try to obtain Artest or KG before anyone, if that fails, then pull the trigger on the Lewis deal.
    Can't say that I like the Lewis option... He is just a bigger version of Q, who \can't play defense. He has the ability to beat his man off the dribble, but chooses to shoot the 3. We have that already in Craw... I would love Ray Allen if the knicks HAD to make a trade (I have come off my wishes a few weeks back of needing to have Ray here)... but if they are unable to get Artest Garnett or O'Neil, i'd would be content with them developing what they have. Frye had a good rookie season and not as good as a second season, but I do believe he could be used effectively a high low tandem with Curry, a pick and roll tandem with with our guards and as Jeff Van Gundy always would say, We can teach playing defense (see LJ b4 knicks and while with the knicks)... Its something that can be done.

    But with all that being said, I'd trade him in a second for Kevin Garnett

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    Originally Posted by dr.carpy
    It depends on which Artest we get. Do we get the guy that wants to win, or the guy in Sacremento who's shot selection was equal to that of Crawford. Trying to force things. I love Artest. Right now however, I feel he has more on his mind than basketball. If he could come to New York without all the drama, I'd say fine. However, I don't think that will be possible. Consider this, we'd be his 4th team in 8 yrs. Where does that leave Balkman and his development? Artest avg. 37 MPG. For all the Anti-Crawford sentiment, Crawford is a higher clutch performer according to 82games.com. He thrives in situations when the game is on the line. He's over 51% in those situations.
    artest was unhappy because the situation in Sacto changed... he BEGGED for adleman and bonzi wells to come back... it didn't happen... he tried to make it work early... but the early losses made him crack... if everything stays cool in ny... i'd bring him in... but i'd be leery taking the risk of something setting him off...

    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Agreed, this where Isiah can make a huge mistake. We should try to obtain Artest or KG before anyone, if that fails, then pull the trigger on the Lewis deal.
    a lot of teams WILL make moves this offseason though...

    DAL, POR, LAL, MIA, NJ, CHA, SEA, IND, SAC
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    NY, MIN (they keep denying the Garnet rumors)

    if IT waits too long... he might lose out on Lewis if someone else offers a more attractive package...

    Originally Posted by lilman_bklyn
    Frye had a good rookie season and not as good as a second season, but I do believe he could be used effectively a high low tandem with Curry, a pick and roll tandem with with our guards and as Jeff Van Gundy always would say, We can teach playing defense (see LJ b4 knicks and while with the knicks)... Its something that can be done.

    But with all that being said, I'd trade him in a second for Kevin Garnett
    Exactly... Frye will develop into a beast somewhere... i'd rather it be NY...

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    I agree, I would gladly give up Frye who obviously has no future in New York with Eddy Curry being here. We need defensive big men around Curry, and Frye doesn't fit that role.
    The Frye & Curry thing did not work out because of POOR-POOR Coaching on Isiah Thomas part. You dont take a Rookie who was shinning in his rookie season in the paint getting rebounds, points, and blockshots, out of the paint for a sub-star Curry who is one dimensional in the paint. You build on Frye talent in the paint area on bothsides of the court. If Frye get traded that is what the next Coach will build around Frye for future improvement each season.

    "IF" the Knicks want a decent WINNING 2007-8 Season than Ron Artest is the main player to go after at the start of the offseason. If giving up the "ONLY" SG on the Knicks (Crawford) to get Ron Artest than so be it. It's just that the Knicks have to search hard in the FA market this offseason for a decent 24 MPG SG.
    Ron Artest weakness is at the SG-position (it was proven on the Kings because the Kings should have resigned SG-Wells.). Ron Artest strong Values for this Knick team will be at the Point-Foward and the SF/PF-position alongside the quick hustling of C/PF/SF-David Lee and PF/SF-Balkman.
    Ron Artest is the teammate that will insist that Channing Frye play within the paint on bothsides of the court alongside of him which Coach Isiah would do not to have a N.Y. Media outburst from Ron Artest.

    The Sacremento Kings are in dire need of a SG to go along with PG-"Henry" Bibby in the backcourt. So Crawford would be a player that they can not refuse. Although, I feel that Q.Richardson would be the best trade for Ron Artest so the Knicks playingtime at the SF-position be left to just Ron Artest, Balkman, and Lee. But Q.Rich has become a 40 game season player with his so-call back injury. Plus Q.Rich can not play the SG-position with any of the Knicks PG.

    The Knicks POOR perfomance this season was all on Isiah Thomas "SAVE-FACE" coaching style for contract players Marbury, Francis, Q.Rich, Jefferies, and Curry, getting big minutes of playingtime (without a system that coincide with each of their talents)...

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    The best possible thing that can happend is IF the Knicks obtain both Ray Allen and Ron Artest. I rather pursue Allen over Lewis, where Allen can be an excellent primary scorer. I would definately give up Curry for Allen and a draft pick, Allen is a superior all around scorer. with a 1-2-3-4 of Marbury Allen Artest and Lee, it doesnt matter who you got at C.

    Knicks send
    Crawford
    Robinson
    Curry

    Sonics send
    Allen
    Petro

    Seattle
    Ridnour
    Crawford
    Durant
    Collison
    Curry


    ^ Isiahsexuals, don't get tight cause I just traded away your two untouchable God's in Crawford and Curry. But Crawford and Curry are C+ players. Allen is an A player, Robinson is barely a C, and Petro is a young center with potential as well who's a C player. Its a fair deal for both teams.

    Knicks send
    Channing Frye
    Q-Rich

    Kings send
    Garcia
    Artest

    Kings
    Bibby
    Martin
    Richardson
    Frye
    Miller



    Knicks
    Marbury/Collins
    Allen/Garcia
    Artest/Balkman
    Lee/Jeffries
    Petro/James

    I'm not saying its possible, but its like I would like to see be offered by Isiah. We're not even a .500 team, so theres no problem trading 3-5 guys from this team this off season. Isiah Thomas has an ego and won't give up Curry or Crawford till he's dead. So yes, you can deal these deals unrealstic. Regardless, they're great deals.


    Kiyaman, I agree with you where Isiah has been over playing Curry to make the Curry deal look favorable to him. Thats all Isiah seems to care about this point. Even in interviews, he feels its the greatest thing to ever happend to this Franchise that Chicago got the 9 pick. He dodged every other issue we're facing as a team, and just focused on a Curry deal that got us no playoffs.

    Sacramento already got Martin at SG.
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    I love Ron's game and he's a player I think that will make us a better team, but I don't think we should be so quick to give up Channing, I think that he's the type of player that will work hard every off season until he's a All Star.

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    Originally Posted by Isiah's Advocate 33
    I love Ron's game and he's a player I think that will make us a better team, but I don't think we should be so quick to give up Channing, I think that he's the type of player that will work hard every off season until he's a All Star.
    I COMPLETELY AGREE. When they said 'he's 2 frale' he came in the following season BUILT (That's why his shot was off @ the beginning of the season) I GUARANTEE that next season Frye's gonna put up better #'s than he did his rookie season. Frye is the type of player who's gonna work on his weaknesses, improve his strengths and give 110% ere time he's on the floor (unlike 1 Bigman we have in are starting lineup.) Like u said, he's gonna work hard every season till he's a All Star, and he will be an All Star more than Mr. Curry.

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    Originally Posted by FameMos
    I COMPLETELY AGREE. When they said 'he's 2 frale' he came in the following season BUILT (That's why his shot was off @ the beginning of the season) I GUARANTEE that next season Frye's gonna put up better #'s than he did his rookie season. Frye is the type of player who's gonna work on his weaknesses, improve his strengths and give 110% ere time he's on the floor (unlike 1 Bigman we have in are starting lineup.) Like u said, he's gonna work hard every season till he's a All Star, and he will be an All Star more than Mr. Curry.
    I hope so.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    The best possible thing that can happend is IF the Knicks obtain both Ray Allen and Ron Artest. I rather pursue Allen over Lewis, where Allen can be an excellent primary scorer. I would definately give up Curry for Allen and a draft pick, Allen is a superior all around scorer. with a 1-2-3-4 of Marbury Allen Artest and Lee, it doesnt matter who you got at C.
    WOW, CURRY is a C+ player? C+? I love Allen, and I have stated in threads previously that the Knicks should go after him, but trading the reason they should go after him is to utilize him with Curry for that inside out game. THe sonics NBA on a whole will view the Knicks as a laughing stock once again if they traded Curry and Crawford for Allen and Petro. Curry right now is one of the top post players in the NBA, in a year or two, he will be the most dominant. On the defensive end, He can be coached that I truly believe He will get better on the defensive end, and after everything is said done, Howard Yao and Oden will NOT be better than Curry

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    I agree completely...except Yao and Curry will be the premiere Centers of this league and I can't say that Curry will be better than Yao but he will be up there with him if not above him. Time will tell because again...he's a young post player that hasn't tapped into half of his potential yet...

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    Curry will not be better than Yao. Yao (b4 he had that knee injury) looked like he was the best C in the NBA.

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    The Yao statement is true, but at the same time Curry is getting better as well. I would say that Yao is the only player i mentioned that would have better numbers than Curry and even if then, not by much...

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