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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    number 24 is Bill Bradley


    That 8 Jersey is FIRE!!!!!

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    After hearing the Kobe Bryant interview that he had with Dan Patrick I believe there's a 98.5pct chance he's gonna be traded. And I think David Stern is gonna find a way to get Kobe in Orange and Blue.

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    Hmmmmmmm, what can I say:

    NICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    Impossible Is Nothing, so maybe this time some miracle will happen fo NYK hehe

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    number 24 is Bill Bradley


    Yea Kobe would have to go back to # 8

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    Kobe value is higher than Lebron based on the fact that Kobe is a 3 time champ. Kobe has made a career hitting the big one, look at 4 quarter footage from any of the Lakers championships. Lebron hit a big shot last night, and that puts him by Kobe? If Curry left NY, Kobe won't show up here. Kobe wants an inside pressence, something the Lakers lack consistency in. So can anyone here say Kobe would be happy coming here with David Lee as his go to guy in the post? Anyone who thinks that probably can't chew gum and walk at the same time. If you worked at a job where the people that were responsible to make the big decisions constantly made the wrong ones, would you stay on, or get at job somewhere else? If you stayed, you probably have no ambition or intelligence. Kobe has logged to this point in his career, almost 8000+ more minutes than Michael Jordan did at this point in his career. He's burnt out do to the lack of a supporting cast. (The best two players after Kobe are Lamar Odom and Kwame Brown). That's not much help considering Odom has been averages 67 games a year since going to LA for Shaq. For all those people that rip Kobe for trying to do everything, answer this question: What's the alternative? If you took Kobe off the Lakers they would have been in the Hunt for Greg Oden, cause they would have been one of the worst teams in the last 50 years. Oh for all those that put Lebron ahead of Kobe at 22, that's when Kobe won the first of three in a row. Here's the stats:

    Year Team G GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% OFF DEF RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG

    99-00 LAL 22 22 39.0 .442 .344 .754 1.2 3.3 4.5 4.4 1.4 1.4 2.50 4 21.1

    So before overstating Lebron's value cause you heard on sportscenter from Wilbon or Kornheiser, know something rather regurgitate someone else's stupid opinion. Kobe holds veto on the trade as well (he has a no trade clause) there no way he goes from one bad team to another.

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    Originally Posted by dr.carpy
    Kobe value is higher than Lebron based on the fact that Kobe is a 3 time champ
    Thats the past, I'm speaking of now. Kobe hasn't gotten out of the first round since Shaq left town.

    Lebron advantages over Kobe
    Size(Has the size to play the 4)
    6 years younger
    Strength
    Verstility(Can play and guard 3 positions)
    Explosiveness
    Passing(Superior at getting his teammates involved, no matter if they're cold)
    Defense(Kobe's defense year wasn't great, Lebron proved statitically and in game he's becoming an elite defender, shutting down PG's, SG's and SF', his preformance against Billups was clutch)
    Leadership, Kobe hasn't lead his team out of the first round since Shaq left LA.


    You showed Kobe's stats at 22. Lebron has superior stats in PPG, FG%, Assist, REBS, steals

    I'll take Kobe's jumpshot over Lebron's though, Kobe's jumpshot is unstoppable.

    Lebron is the better overall player, and he's 8 years away from his prime, thats how scary good he is.

    Lebron should be next year's MVP, I can see him averaging over 30 points per game, 8 rebs and 7 assist.

    Lebron's Cav won 2 game against Detroit in the Playoffs.

    Kobe only won ONE game against the Detroit team, playing with Shaq, Malone, Payton and an experienced Lakers bench.

    If Cavs defeat Detroit, it'll just validify my agruement for Lebron being a more valuable player than Kobe now and in the future.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    You showed Kobe's stats at 22. Lebron has superior stats in PPG, FG%, Assist, REBS, steals
    Yeah. Why would you make a statement that Lebron is the superior talent at 22? You make the comparisson with Kobe now? Your frame of reference was 22 so that's what I used! If Lebron doesn't win this year, then I'm right. Kobe's assist numbers are down cause he doesn't have guys making shots. Your arguement is silly because Kobe plays the triangle. The SG is supposed to be your assassin. Kobe has done this better than all SG before him, save Michael Jordan. Right now, the Lakers only have 2/3 of a triangle anyways. Kobe has only Odom, and he shows up 2/3 of the time. Kobe is the best SG in the league. Lebron may be better ultimately one today, today however that honor belongs to Kobe. if he gets to 30 8 7 that's great. He has to remain healthy to achieve that, and nobody knows what the future holds. Again Detroit was the best starting five, in maybe the last 15 years? They also weren't coming apart from the inside. Guys on the Lakers weren't on speaking terms, how would anyone figure they'd win? They had zero chemistry at that point. For Lebron to surpass Kobe, he's gotta run the table...three years in a row. They you run the head to head at that point. Kobe's in his prime and still the best SG in the L.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Lebron right now is proving he's more valuable than Kobe. Kobe has Lamar Odom, who would be the 2nd best player on the Cavs, and young talented team. I can't see guys like Daniel Gibson scoring a career high being on Kobe's team. Kobe one on one is dominant, completely dominant and unguardable. I rather have Lebron's value, or Nash's value or Garnett's value over Kobe's one on one dominance.

    Lebron leads the NBA at his position in holding his opponents to the lowest PPG. Lebron played shut down defense on Chauncey Billups in game 4which made the Pistons offense totally non productive. On top of that, Lebron is a triple double machine. Lebron is the most EXPLOSIVE player in the NBA, and one of the strongest perimeter scorers you can find. Not even an elite defender like Prince can stop Lebron. Lebron even has the ability to get his teammates involved. He isn't a selfish player and his potential is crazy. This isn't to you, but in general I'm sick off people turning Lebron away cause they don't want to buy the hype. Lebron is only about 22 years old and is already showing leadership ability, Lebron is way ahead of a 22 year old Kobe. Kobe's defense wasn't even that GOOD this season, even Laker fans will admit. Nash is the two time MVP, you have to put him on the top 3-5, no matter how bad his defense is. Dwight Howard isn't TOP 5 yet, I would agree, but the kid is an animal and will be a 26ppg/14 rebs/2blks per game type player if the Magic stop being fools and get a REAL PG cause Jameer is one of the worst starting PG's in the NBA, Dwight deserves better.

    My point is, I would definately pick Lebron and Dwight over Kobe because they're high character guys loaded with immense potential, who are already good young defenders along with their ability on offense. If Kobe isn't happy in LA, why would he enjoy New York? Kobe needs to sit back, and give the Lakers one more year.

    I enjoy reading trade proposals, but this one over the border line.

    I can't see the Lakers giving away their draft pick, their franchise player who's a top 3-5 NBA player, and their best defensive big man for bench players and a Stephon Marbury.
    No doubt... you make good points... but the lakers in the East would be a 50 win team... they won 45 (i think) in the loaded west... not ****ting on Lebron... but the Cavs in the West would probably be no better than LA...and Kobe's D was so bad this season because NO ONE can handle the pressure of the entire scoring load AND the defensive pressure and make it... Lebron is a beast... he is going to be the best player in the league in 2 years max... but his man for most of the night (Rip) was running him ragged and scoring nasty fadeaways over him... Chauncy was guarded by Pavlovic, Gibson, etc for most of the game because Mike Brown realizes that Lebron is still foul prone on the perimeter... no disrespect to Bron or DHoward (the hype is real... haters accept it)... but at this stage... i would still take Kobe...

    I think he's upset that the lakers lack direction... i think now that IT knows what he's doing... we might have a clearer path than LA... and you think Kobe could pass up the possibility of bringing a title back to NY after 35 years??? I think that's his incentive...

    also... LA would probably pull the trigger on this one cuz it gets them cap space next year after Francis and Malik's contracts are up (21 mil total) that they can use to sign Garnett... if they take Steph... they get a quality 1 for a few seasons... they also get Mr. Energy Renaldo Balkman who I think is going to develop into a beast as well... AND... if you're gonna suck for a season... next season is it... it's the OJ Mayo sweepstakes in 09... I think LA would draft protect their pick too (not every GM is IT)...

    This trade gives LA flexibility and youth at the end of the season... similar to the shaq trade (Brian Grant, Odom, Butler, chips and salsa) except with more emphasis on the cap room...

    LA's Lineup would be:
    Steph/Francis, Evans, Balkman, Odom/Brown, Bynum
    Mihm, Smush, Radmanovic, Cook

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    Originally Posted by dr.carpy
    Yeah. Why would you make a statement that Lebron is the superior talent at 22? You make the comparisson with Kobe now? Your frame of reference was 22 so that's what I used! If Lebron doesn't win this year, then I'm right. Kobe's assist numbers are down cause he doesn't have guys making shots. Your arguement is silly because Kobe plays the triangle. The SG is supposed to be your assassin. Kobe has done this better than all SG before him, save Michael Jordan. Right now, the Lakers only have 2/3 of a triangle anyways. Kobe has only Odom, and he shows up 2/3 of the time. Kobe is the best SG in the league. Lebron may be better ultimately one today, today however that honor belongs to Kobe. if he gets to 30 8 7 that's great. He has to remain healthy to achieve that, and nobody knows what the future holds. Again Detroit was the best starting five, in maybe the last 15 years? They also weren't coming apart from the inside. Guys on the Lakers weren't on speaking terms, how would anyone figure they'd win? They had zero chemistry at that point. For Lebron to surpass Kobe, he's gotta run the table...three years in a row. They you run the head to head at that point. Kobe's in his prime and still the best SG in the L.
    You're right about Kobe being better now... but the statistical comparison at 22 is pointless... Kobe was the #2 option on the team and didn't have the responsibility of bringing the ball up... setting up the offense and executing a play... Ron Harper/Brian Shaw took care of ball responsibilities... Shaq was the best player on the team in those years...

    Lebron is bigger, stronger and faster than Kobe was at 22... he is a superior leader... and the closest thing to Oscar Robinson we've seen in a generation (Jason Kidd is 2 inches shorter than Big O)... Lebron will one day make history as a leader... Kobe made history as an incredible talent and a passionate player... but Lebron's game is more advanced at this age... you can't deny that...

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    Originally Posted by dr.carpy
    Yeah. Why would you make a statement that Lebron is the superior talent at 22? You make the comparisson with Kobe now? Your frame of reference was 22 so that's what I used! If Lebron doesn't win this year, then I'm right. Kobe's assist numbers are down cause he doesn't have guys making shots. Your arguement is silly because Kobe plays the triangle. The SG is supposed to be your assassin. Kobe has done this better than all SG before him, save Michael Jordan. Right now, the Lakers only have 2/3 of a triangle anyways. Kobe has only Odom, and he shows up 2/3 of the time. Kobe is the best SG in the league. Lebron may be better ultimately one today, today however that honor belongs to Kobe. if he gets to 30 8 7 that's great. He has to remain healthy to achieve that, and nobody knows what the future holds. Again Detroit was the best starting five, in maybe the last 15 years? They also weren't coming apart from the inside. Guys on the Lakers weren't on speaking terms, how would anyone figure they'd win? They had zero chemistry at that point. For Lebron to surpass Kobe, he's gotta run the table...three years in a row. They you run the head to head at that point. Kobe's in his prime and still the best SG in the L.
    and guys on Clevand make shots for Lebron? Did you see game 1 and 2? Lets be fair here, Lebron doesn't have the greatest supporting cast in the NBA. Their 2nd best player at times was Sasha, Gooden or Anderson Varejao. Hughes has been a bum all season, but Lebron gives the other guys a chance to get involved regardless, which adds to his leadership skills. Lebron kept passing and getting guys invovled. Kobe dominates the ball in isolation, because he doesn't have confidence in his teammates. The difference between Kobe and Lebron is that Lebron is much more matured at 22 than a 22 year old Kobe. Lebron trusts his teammates, and this is why Lebron is in the conference finals and Kobe isn't.

    Kobe is the best SG in the league, I'm not debating this because Lebron doesn't play SG. Lebron is the best wing player in the NBA, and the better all around player. Kobe is a superior SG and a superior scorer/jumpshooter. Lebron is more dominant all around.

    Lebron is better NOW and will continue to get better than Kobe, that day already has come today today. Lebron has accomplish more as a player this season than Kobe has. Kobe is superior at his position, you are correct about that, but Lebron is the superior player. Give me a 22 year old powerful explosiveness defensive triple double machine over an 29 year old agile unguard dominant scoring machine, thank you.

    Zero chemistry? well, how do you get the finals with zero chemistry? That makes absolutely no sense and didn't help your agruement. Do I have to remind you Lakers were the heavy favorites in that series? They got embarassed, Kobe got exposed in that series dude. They had four hall of famers in their line-up, there was so much hype around that team, no team in the West could touch them and most people in the NBA thought they would sweep the Pistons. That was the end of Kobe's golden career as a champion, now he struggles to get out of the first round on a yearly basis. He can't ride Shaq no more for championships. Lebron is facing the same Pistons team without Ben Wallace, a more matured Billups, Hamilton, and Prince with the addition of Webber. They may not have a bench of Mike James and Okur, but they're still in that caliber of being an elite team. Point being, Lebron has stepped it up like no one expected. We'll see tonight where the Cavs will take on the Pistons, a Cavs win would be HUGE, because no one expected the Cavs to win atleast 3 games against Detroit.

    Its comical that you say Lebron has to win 3 titles in a row to be better than Kobe. I guess Kidd, Nash, Garnett, Duncan are all inferior to Kobe then, huh? Hell, I guess no one can touch Rick Fox either, dude got them rings, same with Horry, who probably according to you is the greatest PF of all time for riding Shaq for 3 rings.

    What happends when Lebron averages 33 ppg 9 rebs 9 assist, wins the MVP of the league and makes all first defensive team and wins one title, but not 3? Oh wait, according to you...Kobe is still the GOAT.

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    people get back to topic!

    anyway based on the latest reports, the whole Kobe trade drama is just smoke in mirrors. he's rescinded his remarks, and now it looks like he aint going anywhere. Reason???? Phil Jackson. thats why

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    Originally Posted by Starks
    people get back to topic!

    anyway based on the latest reports, the whole Kobe trade drama is just smoke in mirrors. he's rescinded his remarks, and now it looks like he aint going anywhere. Reason???? Phil Jackson. thats why
    A cry for help

    By Adrian Wojnarowski, Yahoo! Sports
    May 31, 2007


    So, has Kobe Bryant's tantrum finally ended?

    First, he wants to be traded. Nothing will change his mind.

    Well, wait. He isn't sure. Maybe not.

    Oh, never mind. He talked to Phil Jackson. He feels better. They'll figure this out together.

    And on and on he goes, Bryant controlling the news cycle on an hourly basis now, changing course, causing re-writes, relentlessly manipulating his move over the Spurs and LeBron James as the story of these NBA playoffs.

    Bryant is out of his mind right now, but in his element. This national debate over his future goes a long way to sooth his endless ego.

    In the end, Bryant won't be traded. Nor will he want it. Mostly, this embarrassing episode has been a chance to blow off steam, flex his muscle and give everyone a good laugh with the signature line on his blog entries that says, "Strength and Honor, Kobe Bryant."

    As much as Bryant wants to win, he wants everyone to empathize with him, acknowledge just how horrible he has it. Rest assured, it's been duly noted. In the end, there is no trade the Los Angeles Lakers can make to assure that they'll keep filling the Staples Center, that they'll have the star power necessary to stay relevant in Hollywood.

    Jerry Buss has no inclination to ever trade one of the rare few ticket sellers in the sport, and Bryant doesn't want to leave Los Angeles.

    Sure, he has his moments. He thinks about it. When he woke up Wednesday morning, he had gone back to that deep-seeded desire he's long had to take his act to Madison Square Garden. It was no coincidence that he chose Stephen A. Smith's New York radio show on Wednesday to say that he wanted a trade out of L.A.

    Whatever. Bryant isn't leaving, but if he did, several league sources believe he wants to play for the New York Knicks. And that includes one high-ranking Western Conference executive, who said, "I think he would only go to New York."

    Wherever he would go in the Eastern Conference, that team would immediately be a conference championship contender. Kobe with almost anyone would be comparable to the Cavaliers with LeBron. A third team, maybe even a fourth, would be needed to create a circumstance where Bryant could be traded to the Knicks. There's no way Buss could sell Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford, the core of a 30-win East garbage bin, as the Lakers' new era.

    Perhaps the strongest suitor for Bryant would be the Chicago Bulls, whom he did talk with as a free agent three years ago. They could offer a combination of Luol Deng, Ben Gordon, Kirk Hinrich, Tyrus Thomas and a lottery pick. Atlanta Hawks? Bryant would never go there. Dallas Mavericks owner Mark Cuban would have major interest in him and the assets to make a trade possible, but the Lakers would try hard to move him out of the West. And as one Pacific Division general manager said Wednesday night, "No way would the Lakers trade him to a division rival, (but) I don't think he'll get traded anyway."

    For now, Bryant is raging over a so-called "Lakers insider" quoted in the Los Angeles Times saying that Shaquille O'Neal's departure was Kobe's fault. He wants this employee fired, because remember, Kobe has never manipulated his guys in the press to push his own agenda.

    These Lakers, as lost as they are constructing a contender, supported him unconditionally through his rape charges, flew him back and forth on a team jet from hearings in Colorado, and his reward to them? Opting out of his contract, and threatening to leave for the Los Angeles Clippers. But now, Bryant says he has "trust issues" with the Lakers.

    Anyway, he spent most of his late day on Wednesday backpedaling on his demand for a trade. He isn't going anywhere, and chances are, he'll stop talking soon. He has done enough damage to his name, his Lakers, and cost them considerable leverage dealing with the rest of the league this summer.

    He'll be the center of everything this summer, probably all the way until he starts railing on Team USA G.M. Jerry Colangelo for his inability to surround Bryant with enough talent to beat Brazil in the FIBA Americas championship this summer. By then, Kobe will be calling for Colangelo to work a deal for Manu Ginobili.

    Wow...Kobe is so dramatic.

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    nice post metrocard...i just about to throw that up there.

    with this being the quote of the century:
    but if he did, several league sources believe he wants to play for the New York Knicks. And that includes one high-ranking Western Conference executive, who said, "I think he would only go to New York."

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    Lebron is incredible. Surrounded by mediocore talent and a dumbass coach yet somehow finds himself in the Eastern Finals. Marv albert has covered the nba for 40 years and even he was saying it was one of the best he's ever seen. this guy has seen everyone from wilt to jordan. Amazing, 25 straight points from everywhere, dunks, 3 pointers, mid-rangers, and anything you can think of. Essentially 29 straight points.

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    Lebron vs. Kobe....dag we all knew it was going to comedown to this one day.

    Overall Kobe is a more dominant player...since he is probably the only player in the league that can constantly pull up and fadeaway from double teams 15-20 feet from the basket and knock them down everytime. The only weak spot on kobe is that he doesn't know when to pass the ball and defensive minded coaches know this. This is why he's always putting up big numbers because coaches are allowing him to get his 50 and not allowing him to get his teammates involved offensively. No one in NBA history can win a ring by himself...Jordan was the closest but even he had help. So until Kobe has faith in his teammates, he won't win another ring.

    Lebron...after that performance last night I think half the country jumped back on the bandwagon. Lebron is a freakish athlete that has talent only God can give him. He's the type of player that comes every 25 years. Now, everyone wants to say that lebron is the best player in the league but he has so many faults and holes in his game that he should be considered in the top 5 just because of his athleticism. There is no doubt he will become the best player in the league. He has all the attributes to become the true "King" of the league. But his jumpshot and his decision making is still costing him games at times. Such as times he should penetrate but instead passes it or shoots a fadeaway jumper from 20 feet when we all know his jumpshot is suspect at times. There is no one on detroit that can stop lebron from getting to the basket...NO ONE. And he is starting to know this and that is why he was getting to the basket at will at the end of the game. If Detroit had Ben Wallace then they would stand a chance but now that Lebron knows he has detroit against the ropes and he can get to the basket at will...Detroit's odds aren't good.
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