Knicks One Of Three Teams On Kobe's List
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NYKNICKS4LIFE
Benchwarmer
For all those who think the LAKERS have a chance to keep KOBE
look at what news came out:
Sorry, Kobe. Nets GM Ed Stefanski has no plans of reigniting trade talks with the Lakers regarding Jason Kidd in an Andrew Bynum package. Kobe Bryant is shown on a parking-lot videotape cursing Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak's decision not to accede to the Nets' demands last February and add Bynum to a proposed trade. The Nets, on the verge of missing the playoffs, would have done the deal then. They won't now, not with the Eastern Conference so wide open after the Cavaliers' run to the NBA Finals. That's not good news for the Lakers - another run at Kidd could pacify Bryant's rage.
Posted June 21, by Ben Maller
http://www.benmaller.com/nba_rumors_notes#145880
look at what news came out:
Sorry, Kobe. Nets GM Ed Stefanski has no plans of reigniting trade talks with the Lakers regarding Jason Kidd in an Andrew Bynum package. Kobe Bryant is shown on a parking-lot videotape cursing Lakers GM Mitch Kupchak's decision not to accede to the Nets' demands last February and add Bynum to a proposed trade. The Nets, on the verge of missing the playoffs, would have done the deal then. They won't now, not with the Eastern Conference so wide open after the Cavaliers' run to the NBA Finals. That's not good news for the Lakers - another run at Kidd could pacify Bryant's rage.
Posted June 21, by Ben Maller
http://www.benmaller.com/nba_rumors_notes#145880
ODucksFan82
Rookie
Your definetly not the only one, it does seem like everyone has forgotten what this guy done, but to be honest I just dont care for his arrogant attitude I dont give a damn how good he is, I cant cheer on guys I have no respect for as people.
He's a great player but so what he's shown how much team character he has jumping ship know that LA isnt the top team anymore, and he didnt carry the team had it not been for Shaq none of it would have been possible.
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KnicksFan4Realz
Benchwarmer
I know I have been gone for a minute, but I cannot believe what the fuck I am hearing from some of you people. KOBE is the best player in the NBA. We should be grateful such a player of his talent wants to even come to the cesspool that has become the New York Knicks. Now with Frye already have been traded out for Randolph I think it is possible he can be used as trade bait to the Lakers....
But whom I think we really need to get rid of is Marbury. And then try and get Jason Kidd to come play for us at the Garden. Marbury will never lead a team to a playoff series win. Period. It has not happened yet, and it's not like that streak is just based off of one team...it's based on several.
Marbury will never be the type of point guard we need to be successful and Nate Robinson is too erratic as a point guard. David Lee was the most valuable of those 3 picks, he proved that this past season. And in his rookie season he was quite solid as well.
If we cannot get Jason Kidd...someone else point guards in the NBA are a dime a dozen you do not need great ones to win a title...case in point Avery Johnson.
I would be willing to part with Crawford, Balkman, player to be named later to get Kobe. Even though I'm pushing Steph to leave...I think if he is teamed up with Kobe his attitude will make him a brand new citizen.
But whom I think we really need to get rid of is Marbury. And then try and get Jason Kidd to come play for us at the Garden. Marbury will never lead a team to a playoff series win. Period. It has not happened yet, and it's not like that streak is just based off of one team...it's based on several.
Marbury will never be the type of point guard we need to be successful and Nate Robinson is too erratic as a point guard. David Lee was the most valuable of those 3 picks, he proved that this past season. And in his rookie season he was quite solid as well.
If we cannot get Jason Kidd...someone else point guards in the NBA are a dime a dozen you do not need great ones to win a title...case in point Avery Johnson.
I would be willing to part with Crawford, Balkman, player to be named later to get Kobe. Even though I'm pushing Steph to leave...I think if he is teamed up with Kobe his attitude will make him a brand new citizen.
metrocard
Legend
Marbury has played under 12 different head coaches in 10 years. He never really had a chance to established his production within a team.
Marbury can you give you 25 and 10 any given night, he's a 20 and 8 career AVERAGE player. Marbury is now playing defense and is out of the Larry Brown flunk he was in.
We're not getting Jason Kidd.
Kobe is the best player in the NBA, but he has been unable to win a playoff series in a couple of years. He can't lead a team without Shaq.
With that said, I would still trade for Kobe. We need an A-player. We have too many C-players.
pyotrveliky
Rotation player
yeah i dont see how anyone can not want kobe....hes a winner and has a killer instinct. that kind of attitude is what we need. as a person i hate him and his ego but i have the utmost respect for him as a player on the court. my proposed trade in lieu of the randolph deal would be randolph, lee, nate/fred jones, a sg - either q or crawford, and probably a first or second rounder. i would do this in a heartbeat. huge upgrade at sg in terms of size, defense and shooting, balkman or jeffries can play the 3 and focus solely on shutting down the other teams star. our offense can be marbury and kobe shooting and driving and kicking to curry inside. the only issue might be coacing but who knows maybe we could lure phil to come back to ny...remember he was deciding between ny and la. with kobe our team would be way better than LA and i think he might come over.
i think the trade only happens if they find out kobe really is serious, closer to the beginning of the season if he starts holding out of camps and the season, forcing him to trade him. i think if they have to trade him or keep him angry and holding out from the team, our offer doesnt look too bad....two starters pretty much and a pick. i highly doubt theyll trade him anywhere west, especially to a playoff contender like phx. i think that the pieces chicago would have to give up would make them an undesirable team...they would lose at least two starters and probably would be worse than we would be after trading him. i think kobe would want to go to chicago in order to prove hes better than MJ, i think thats why he changed his number to 24. bulls gm paxson said as much on a realgm article that the pieces they would lose (i would say ben wallace, ben/deng and thomas/nocion) would leave them their pgs, ben gordon or deng, nocioni or thomas, and kobe. thats still a good team but they lose a lot of depth and im not sure if ben gordon can coexist with kobe. hinrich kobe deng thomas isnt bad but its not a super team.
im not sure if they would want marbury but if they did i would do that and put craw at the point or maybe try one of the new guys from portland as a ball distributor. when he had the job, dickau didnt do a bad job (in boston i think) of just taking care of the ball and setting up people.
i think the trade only happens if they find out kobe really is serious, closer to the beginning of the season if he starts holding out of camps and the season, forcing him to trade him. i think if they have to trade him or keep him angry and holding out from the team, our offer doesnt look too bad....two starters pretty much and a pick. i highly doubt theyll trade him anywhere west, especially to a playoff contender like phx. i think that the pieces chicago would have to give up would make them an undesirable team...they would lose at least two starters and probably would be worse than we would be after trading him. i think kobe would want to go to chicago in order to prove hes better than MJ, i think thats why he changed his number to 24. bulls gm paxson said as much on a realgm article that the pieces they would lose (i would say ben wallace, ben/deng and thomas/nocion) would leave them their pgs, ben gordon or deng, nocioni or thomas, and kobe. thats still a good team but they lose a lot of depth and im not sure if ben gordon can coexist with kobe. hinrich kobe deng thomas isnt bad but its not a super team.
im not sure if they would want marbury but if they did i would do that and put craw at the point or maybe try one of the new guys from portland as a ball distributor. when he had the job, dickau didnt do a bad job (in boston i think) of just taking care of the ball and setting up people.
ShairanXIII
Rotation player
kobe also has the desire to be the best... his drive has been compared to jordan's... if kobe can't motivate EC and the knicks to win in the Atlantic conference... then we truly have no hopes with this roster...
Toons
is the Bo$$
it all breaks down to where kobe wants to go....if we get artest for next to nothing, nyc will b the ideal place for kobe to go.....kobe dosent want a good team to give all of their good players for him, then he would be playing on the lakers with a different uniform, he wants to go to a team where he sees that idf the roster hardly changes, he still can make a difference. kobe can lead us to the championship right now
KOWIE
Rookie
can i come live in your fantasy world?:crossfingers:
the knicks cant offer up what other teams can....kobe has no real say in the matter, as the lakers dont have to trade him at all. hes under contract, and unless he plays it out, he remains under said contract. the bulls have a lot of young talent that they could make an offer, and then still have a quality team. do you think the lakers are going to just give up the scoring champ, in his prime, for next to nothing?
while the east is bad enough that with our roster with the addition of kobe we could go deep into the playoffs, but by no means are we anywhere near a championship with or without him.....unless the nbaimplodes and were the only team left.
lilman_bklyn
Rotation player
Kobe can sit out and decide not to play at all. Kobe can then leave for free agency and Lakers won't get shit at all. Kobe has some say in the matter. as far as championship team with Kobe on it. It depends on who the Knicks give up. But if the KNicks still have CUrry, Marbury, Balkman(and lets say artest if that would work out howeva it would) then I would definately say the Knicks could contend. As was stated earlier in this post, If Lebron can get to the finals with Ilgauskes and drew gooden, KObe can get to teh finals with the lineup I just stated
ShairanXIII
Rotation player
and the whole trade override thing means kobe can say no to any deal where a team (i.e. Chicago) would have to sacrifice their entire core to get him... salary wise... we have the pieces to make a trade that would not erode our core... we'd have to give up either steph or randolph along with potentially crawford for kobe and radmanovic...
KOWIE
Rookie
the lakers arent gonna want marbury, crawford, randolph.....or pretty much any combo of knicks....id love to see kobe rock the garden AS a knick.....but i just dont think its doable. as for kobe sitting out then leaving....theres no way he would be able to sit out a year or whatever then go FA.....hes under contract....hed have to play at least a % of the season in order for it to count towards a year played....
i just think its a fantasy to think were gettin kobe....and even pondering kobe and artest! wow....i want to live in a world that that could happen in!
i just think its a fantasy to think were gettin kobe....and even pondering kobe and artest! wow....i want to live in a world that that could happen in!
KOWIE
Rookie
kobe hasnt done dick since shaq left LA....kobe has game...in abundance, but hes selfish, and he hasnt been able to elevate his team. he even called out his team as being sub par DURING the playoffs. i thought that was pretty classless.
pyotrveliky
Rotation player
being a winner and a team player are different things. bottom line is that he cares about winning and that is why he wants out of LA. selfish is another story and im not going to deny that he is selfish. but he does have enough power to force a trade and can sit out if they dont, essentially forcing LA to trade him to get something of value as opposed to him not playing. youre telling me marbury or randolp packaged with a few good young players/expiring contracts and a pick or 2 isnt worth it for them? sure theyll tank a few years but they they can hopefully get a franchsie caliber player in the draft with their pick and maybe ours.
metrocard
Legend
Gotta agree with Kowie. Fuck Kobe.
who hates Kobe?, it's nearly everyone who has ever been his teammate. The guy is the most selfish, mentally disturbed, drama queen ever to play in the league. Notice how his media power play just happen to coincide with Lebron's huge game and then the NBA finals. He can't stand to be out of the news. His own parents have disowned him and only talk to him when they want to see their grandkid. He may be the most talented player in the league, physically, but he is a cancer and the worst teammate you could possibly have.
Imagine Kobe cursing out Curry for not defending or rebounding?
But then again, having Kobe in New York would be huge, we're already a losing team, might as well be an interesting losing team. :smokin:
who hates Kobe?, it's nearly everyone who has ever been his teammate. The guy is the most selfish, mentally disturbed, drama queen ever to play in the league. Notice how his media power play just happen to coincide with Lebron's huge game and then the NBA finals. He can't stand to be out of the news. His own parents have disowned him and only talk to him when they want to see their grandkid. He may be the most talented player in the league, physically, but he is a cancer and the worst teammate you could possibly have.
Imagine Kobe cursing out Curry for not defending or rebounding?
But then again, having Kobe in New York would be huge, we're already a losing team, might as well be an interesting losing team. :smokin:
ShairanXIII
Rotation player
we would win... a lot... with kobe... respect the game... he has his issues... but... he's a winner... if he can guide a laker team that has far less talent than we do to the playoffs in the western conference... then kobe + randolph/curry (whichever one we can keep) or both would make us the beasts of the east...
metrocard
Legend
Not recently.
He has lead his Lakers in first round exits.
Kobe is definately overhyped, but I would definately take Kobe on this team for his great defense and all around offensive game.
Who would you trade for Kobe?