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    Nyk Logo Isiah Thomas. Cancer or Visionary? End Debate

    Here it is. My attempt, perhaps futile but an attempt none the less, to end this debate once and for all. Is Isiah Tomas a cancer to the Knicks or does he have a vision for this team that has been tainted by an inherited old and flawed roster? My attempt from this point on is to point out with no bias in any way the ups and downs of the New York Knicks during Thomas' rain as Preseident of Basketball Operations and Head Coach.

    What we Know
    Isiah Thomas was hired midway through the 2003-2004 season. Thomas' mandate was to make an old, slow, overpaid roster vital again. His way of doing this was making what some would call 'Questionable Trades'. With out going into detail of each trade we know that Thomas has completely changed the Knicks roster. Every player that is on the current roster has been brought in by Thomas or with is approval. We also know that during the 03-04 season Houston, the 20 million dollar a year man became injured there by ending the Knicks chances for a play off spot. Houston's salary was a major drain on the salary cap and a hindrance on the teams ability to make trades.

    Recap Zek's Plan Faze One
    Initially Thomas clearly was not concerned with the salary cap. In order to bring in players he traded away every expiring contract for the talent that was available at the time. This plan brought us the likes of Stephon Marbury Jamal Crawford and a few others that were later traded away.

    Faze Two
    Thomas traded away the Knicks only center, an aging Kurt Thomas to Phoenix for Quinton Richardson. At this point the team did not have a center so Thomas gave a whopping 5 year 30 million contract for Jerome James. This was a controversial move at the time because James had only a single good play off series under his belt. Perhaps the move was one of desperation. Later on the very same summer Thomas traded the expiring contract of Antonio Davis and a future first round draft pick for Chicago center Eddie Curry.

    More Failure in a nutshell
    Thomas hired Larry Brown to a 5 year 50 million dollar contract. Per Brown's request, the Knicks gave away the young and promising Trever Ariza and expiring contract of Penny Hardaway for Steve Francis. Yet another questionable move to place a star point guard on the same squad with an existing star point guard, Stephon Marbury. Brown was fired after his first year in which the Knicks had their worst record in 50 years. The Knicks and Brown settled for an undisclosed amount.

    Summery
    Most can agree Thomas did walk into a disaster. Many say he made that disaster worse. Yet there are high expectations for Eddie Curry and much of the Knicks roster. There is promise and there has been improvement. If the Knicks stay healthy and make it to the play offs or even to the second round, all of these things will be a distant memory and critics will be silenced. My view is history is still being written.

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    well i believe he has a vision especially wit the fact that he bought out 2 soon to come free agents(jalen rose and maurice taylor), so i think he has something set for the end of 2009 season

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    I also think that he has a vision and that we are 1 or 2 players away from being a contender.

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    I'd like to third with that fact. See the point is...the people who don't like him and only see the negative are the same people (not fans) who like the musical chair business that's going on in the aspect of our coaches. It's another reason why they blame him for everything. It's easy to figure out...if you see eye to eye with his vision then you are for it. If you are little brained and can't see out the box then you are against it...it is as simple as that...

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    Here it is. My attempt, perhaps futile but an attempt none the less, to end this debate once and for all. Is Isiah Tomas a cancer to the Knicks or does he have a vision for this team that has been tainted by an inherited old and flawed roster? My attempt from this point on is to point out with no bias in any way the ups and downs of the New York Knicks during Thomas' rain as Preseident of Basketball Operations and Head Coach.

    What we Know
    Isiah Thomas was hired midway through the 2003-2004 season. Thomas' mandate was to make an old, slow, overpaid roster vital again. His way of doing this was making what some would call 'Questionable Trades'. With out going into detail of each trade we know that Thomas has completely changed the Knicks roster. Every player that is on the current roster has been brought in by Thomas or with is approval. We also know that during the 03-04 season Houston, the 20 million dollar a year man became injured there by ending the Knicks chances for a play off spot. Houston's salary was a major drain on the salary cap and a hindrance on the teams ability to make trades.

    Recap Zek's Plan Faze One
    Initially Thomas clearly was not concerned with the salary cap. In order to bring in players he traded away every expiring contract for the talent that was available at the time. This plan brought us the likes of Stephon Marbury Jamal Crawford and a few others that were later traded away.

    Faze Two
    Thomas traded away the Knicks only center, an aging Kurt Thomas to Phoenix for Quinton Richardson. At this point the team did not have a center so Thomas gave a whopping 5 year 30 million contract for Jerome James. This was a controversial move at the time because James had only a single good play off series under his belt. Perhaps the move was one of desperation. Later on the very same summer Thomas traded the expiring contract of Antonio Davis and a future first round draft pick for Chicago center Eddie Curry.

    More Failure in a nutshell
    Thomas hired Larry Brown to a 5 year 50 million dollar contract. Per Brown's request, the Knicks gave away the young and promising Trever Ariza and expiring contract of Penny Hardaway for Steve Francis. Yet another questionable move to place a star point guard on the same squad with an existing star point guard, Stephon Marbury. Brown was fired after his first year in which the Knicks had their worst record in 50 years. The Knicks and Brown settled for an undisclosed amount.

    Summery
    Most can agree Thomas did walk into a disaster. Many say he made that disaster worse. Yet there are high expectations for Eddie Curry and much of the Knicks roster. There is promise and there has been improvement. If the Knicks stay healthy and make it to the play offs or even to the second round, all of these things will be a distant memory and critics will be silenced. My view is history is still being written.
    Well analyzed post.

    We have too many uncertain expectations, and thats the probably. Thats why alot of people say "if" so much, cause they're unsure. Isiah has installed this uncertain loser mentality in a lot of people's mind to get them behind him. They continue to say things like "33" wins an improvement and medicore. It is Isiah's and Dolan resposbility for hiring Brown. It doesn't matter if Brown requested it. Isiah is the president and GM, he still holds power in the front office of the Knicks. Signing Brown was a terrible decision, I knew from day one Brown wouldn't help a medicore Knicks roster.

    But I'm gonna finalize my post by saying. I can't deny Isiah for trying. He has tried, and he has brought a lot of drama to NYC. Isiah has done good moves, like getting Lee, Ariza, Balkman, Collins, and establishing Marbury into an all around PG(I believe he worked alot with Steph).

    I guess you can say he's both. a GM with a vision has been a cancer. Its not only Isiah though, Dolan has to be one of the worst sports owner out today.

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    That might be one of the very few posts I have to agree with you on...I'm glad too see you unbiased for once. Good post

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    Nice question man, I think we should get Whoopi Goldberg as our Knicks coach. In the "movie" eddie i think. it seemed nice. hehehe

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    He is a cancer no question about it...
    6 months later....

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