Curry and Randolph

Is the Randolph trade the best trade Isiah has made?

  • Yes

    Votes: 15 62.5%
  • No

    Votes: 9 37.5%

  • Total voters
    24

Ewing33

Benchwarmer
Hate to say it but I agree that Lee will be packaged (at least an attempted package) to get someone big...

Lee and Crawford (though I rather it be Nate)for Lewis? Seattle will need someone like Lee to do some dirtywork

Lee, Curry, Crawford and a pick for Kobe....no idea if these actually work

What about KG?
The Celtics were close to getting KG with an expiring contract, Al Jefferson and the 5 pick
Seems to me that Lee, an expiring contract, and Curry would be the same thing...sort of...

Haven't heard this...just my thoughts...I just can't imagine Curry and Randolph working out...they are too similar and we would be so bad defensively...Who knows
 

timnakhla

Rookie
Andrei Kirilenko (AK-47) could be the answer, a tall defensive shot blocker to complement Zach and Curry who plays the 3. u never know, Utah could be willing to get rid of his remaining 5 yrs bloated contract.

Proposed trade:

Utah gets:
D Lee: .9 mm (the main piece - a Jerry Sloan type of player))
Rose:7.5 mm (expiring contract )
Jared J:5.2 mm (Defensive 3)


Knicks Get:
AK-47: 12.3
plus a throw in at the 1 mm range


now imagine a starting line up of
Stef (offense/a little Defense) backed by Marty
Balkman (defense) backed by Crawford
AK-47 (defense/ a little offense) backed by Q
Zach (Offense) backed by Morris
Curry (Offense) backed by Jerome
 

MSGKnickz33

The Gold Mac
AK47 isnt worth it at this point. Especially if he has 5 years left on his contract like you said. Where's Metrocard? I'm looking forward to what he has to say about yesterdays events.
 

Ewing33

Benchwarmer
What we really need is a shooter...with those two inside the defense will clog the lane...and we all know that we have a lot more scorers than shooters on this team

...it is a little exciting...somehow it seems like the Knicks are a little closer...but it is going to take more...
 

knicklover

Benchwarmer
They're all set at the 3. They got balkmen, q-rich, wilson chandler, and jared jeffries. They needed a defensive specialist who can come off the bench and back up Lee and Curry, and no not jared jeffries. Sean Williams who went to New Jerz would had been perfect.

They are not set at the 3. They need an outside shooter so that when Curry/Randolph are doubled they can throw it outside and be a threat.

What good was Curry last year drawing doubles and triples if he can't pass it to anyone that can hit a shot?

Q-Rich is too injury prone and coming off surgery to depend on him being able to fill that role consistently and with a lot of minutes. Chandler will not be ready for a couple of years. Balkman has a lot of positive qualities, but being an outside shooter is not one of them. Jeffries? I don't think so.

If they make another trade, I pray they trade Randolph and not Lee. Lee fits with Curry well and has no RAP SHEET. Trading Randolph for a high quality outside shooting 3 would give the Knicks all the pieces they need to make a serious run in the Eastern Conference while still retaining a deep and young bench that might yield some upside surprises this year or soon enough to matter.
 
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The 1 and Only

Rotation player
Randolph isn't going to clog the lane up as much as you think. Randolph actually has a quality jumper out to 20 ft. We need a scheme that will punish other teams with our size. Randolph in the high post and curry in the low post does just that. And these guys are young...they will play defense eventually, it just depends how much emphasis is going to be put on that from Isiah. We're going in the right direction though. Isiah definitely has a plan and i don't know why they took francis and his contract for their best low post scorer lol. I guess they are really starting over and putting the franchise on Oden's shoulders...
 

MSGKnickz33

The Gold Mac
They are not set at the 3. They need an outside shooter so that when Curry/Randolph are doubled they can throw it outside and be a threat.

What good was Curry last year drawing doubles and triples if he can't pass it to anyone that can hit a shot?

Q-Rich is too injury prone and coming off surgery to depend on him being able to fill that role consistently and with a lot of minutes. Chandler will not be ready for a couple of years. Balkman has a lot of positive qualities, but being an outside shooter is not one of them. Jeffries? I don't think so.

If they make another trade, I pray they trade Randolph and not Lee. Lee fits with Curry well and has no RAP SHEET. Trading Randolph for a high quality outside shooting 3 would give the Knicks all the pieces they need to make a serious run in the Eastern Conference while still retaining a deep and young bench that might yield some upside surprises this year or soon enough to matter.


You gotta give Q a good solid chance this year. When he played, he helped out big time on the boards, knocked down shots, and played excellent defense. I remember both Lebron James and Paul Pierce having off game becuz of Q-rich. I'm sure most people on here would agree that If Richardson can stay healthy, hes our man at the 3 position with. Man, who gives a Fuck about Randolph havin a rap sheet. He stayed out of trouble last year hes startin to get a little bit older now to. Lets start a survey askin how many people care about Zach havin a rap sheet. I dont give a fuck about off the court problems. As long as he aint got no on the court problems which he does, defense, and thats why he should be traded. Aint nobody care about rap sheets except david stern and the boston Celtics.
 

brooklyn_baller

Benchwarmer
I think that was a good trade for that fact that we need another low post player. He can take alot of pressure off Curry. But on the other hand, we do have alot of big men on this team, almost too much.
 

metrocard

Legend
The only thing I'm concerned about is ball movement.

We were one of the worst in the league at taking care of the ball.

Having two scoring big men is great, but is it a necessity?
I look at most of the elite teams in the NBA, and they have a role playing big man play next to their All star dominant big man.

It is going to be very complicated to see how the offense will go now.
Remember when Curry got most of the touches and Knicks continued to feed him? How will that work now with Randolph.

Keep in mind Randolph is a player who dominants the ball. This won't help Curry's scoring. I'm just confused, not mad at Isiah. We don't answer any of our problems, but we upgraded at our strengths; which is more positive than negative.

Another thing now, we're clogged up with fowards. Who's going to be dealt now? I don't understand how we'll ever establish a sense of chemsitry with all these moves. I guess I'll have to wait another 3 years again to see that finallly happend.

Randolph is superior to Frye in every was possible, and is only 2 years older than Frye.

We also got rid of a Francis, which is a huge plus.

Jones and Dickau are C players(we have alot of those), but they have expiring contracts, which add to their value.

There is no question that Isiah has won in this deal and bitched the Blazers.

In my eyes, this is how I would grade our roster


PF - Randolph - B
PG - Marbury - B
PF - Lee - B-
C - Curry - C+
SG/SF - Richardson - C+
SG - Crawford - C+
SF - Balkman - C(potentially a B this year )
PG/SG - Collins - C(potentially a B this year)
PG - Robinson - C
SF - Jefferies - D
C - James - D
PF - Rose - D

Ungraded
SF - Demetris Nichols
SF - Wilson Chandler


I'm excited about those two guys, I just wished we got rid of Jefferies so they could see some time.


We have 5 small fowards...which leaves me to ask who's going to be traded? Q-Rich, Jefferies, or hopefully not Balkman.

But overall, Isiah did decent. Randolph could be great trade value in the future to finally land us an A player.


Its not even over, you could smell an Isiah trade coming soon.
 

knicklover

Benchwarmer
You gotta give Q a good solid chance this year. When he played, he helped out big time on the boards, knocked down shots, and played excellent defense. I remember both Lebron James and Paul Pierce having off game becuz of Q-rich. I'm sure most people on here would agree that If Richardson can stay healthy, hes our man at the 3 position with. Man, who gives a Fuck about Randolph havin a rap sheet. He stayed out of trouble last year hes startin to get a little bit older now to. Lets start a survey askin how many people care about Zach havin a rap sheet. I dont give a fuck about off the court problems. As long as he aint got no on the court problems which he does, defense, and thats why he should be traded. Aint nobody care about rap sheets except david stern and the boston Celtics.

It's not that I don't like Q-Rich at the 3. It's that he has a long history of back problems and injuries.

How can we count on him being 100% this year and to be able to play a lot of minutes every night when he hasn't been able to do that recently and is coming off surgery?

Off the court trouble is a major distraction to management, the coaching staff, and the chemistry of the team.
 
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I'm w/ metro on this one I'm a bit confused as to how these two can coexist. It can work if Zach tapers off his scoring, and maybe pulls down four more boards a game. So if he averaged something like 17 pts and 14 redbs, and Curry really comes back w/ a defensive mentality then they can coexist. I like Zeke, but this one is a real hit or miss, and unlike the Francis move this one lies soley one him. We can't afford another set back, I want this team to continue moving forward, and I'm not saying this isn't going to make us a better team it's just going to take both of them to change their style of play.

Next question is- is Zach here to stay, I mean Zach and Balkman is a pretty nice package for Oneil. Zach, Lee, and a unprotected pick could be enough to draw interest from the likes of Minn, or maybe not. I'm with everyone else, I don't want to see Lee go, I like him on and off the court, but for KG it may be worth it. I don't want him packaged for Lewis, if the Sonics don't bite on Crawford, Robinson, and Balkman, and a conditonal pick, then we don't have a deal. Rashard is good but not that damn good, we could probably land Artest for less. Look we already helped out Portland's future ( as well as our own hopefully) let's not be Seattle's savior too by giving them Lee, also ( and this is not sweatin the man) kudo's to Zeke for not biting on the Blazers trying to dump D Miles on us! Now if we somehow land Rashard without giving up Lee then, this will be IT's best off season yet.

Starting 5
Steph
Q-rich
Lewis
Randolph
Curry

Bench
Lee
Mardy
Morris
Jefferies
and maybe Fred Jones in the case someone in the backcourt goes down for an extended period of time
probaly one of the most talanted squads in the East if not all the league

Also how much does this trade help or hurt Randolph Morris, if he is considered one of our first round picks how much burn will he get?
Alot of question at the start of this off season, hopefully we won't be asking the same questions on opening night.
 

FameMos

Benchwarmer
IMO I think the Knicks could pull off a trade 4 Kobe (who absolutely wants out of LA especially after the draft they just had) if we gave them Randolph, Lee, Crawford, a throw in and a 1st round pick.

Marbury
Kobe
Q-Rich
Jefferies/Balkman
Curry

Nice
 
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Streetz

Rookie
knicks will be serious next season.
got a feeling bout Chandler And Morris, hope they get decent playing time too

:thumbsup: Isiah actually did a decent job this off-season
 

wymm

Rookie
This is a sweet trade. Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph gives the Knicks a superior frontcourt in the Eastern Conference. Now all Isiah has to do is figure out a way to trade away Jerome James and Jared Jeffries.

Maybe he'll package Jerome James and Nate Robinson to Atlanta for Speedy Claxton and a future 2nd round draft pick? Or Jerome James, Jared Jeffries, and Nate Robinson for Kenyon Martin and a conditional 1st round pick?
 

nyKnicks126

Go 1990s New York Knicks!
knicks will be serious next season.
got a feeling bout Chandler And Morris, hope they get decent playing time too

:thumbsup: Isiah actually did a decent job this off-season

It aint over man, I think Isiahs got some more ideas in his head. Free agent signings, and some major trades.
 

Toons

is the Bo$$
These are my thought about the trade...

***Upside***
Firstly, i look at the trade as an upgrade. Zeke promised that Curry would develop a midrange jumper this off season....i always thought that if Curry got his J down pack, we would have no need for frye. So our first upgrade is that we get Zach for frye. You may say that zach plays no defense, but you would be thinking one dimensional to believe that defense is all about blocking, Randolph is a rugged, hardnosed guy, with excellent hands (at pf, he almost averages a steal a game), randolph has great footwork and is still only 25 or 26. Secondly, Randolph would be second on our team in freethrow percentage, he shoots at the charity strip as well as crawford does, he's about 83 or so, i know he's above 80 for sure. Then we get rid of francis for fred jones, who to me is basically the same type of player, just that jones has a better 3pt shot, and we get him at less money, we get dan dick who hardly ever turns the ball over and is money at free throw....we get them for a good price, AND their contracts expire, so we win big. Even if Zeke dosent make more trades he made a smart move.


***Downside***

Not as much downsides as i thought, but there is one biiig downside, and that is that we now have 3 players who turn over the ball 3+ times per game, marbury, curry and randolph. Now that randolph isnt the number 1 option, i would think that his to's would fall, but at 17 to's per game we are first int he league in that stat. so if 3 starters turn the ball over 10 times....the rest of the team must have less than 7 to's for an improvement in that category. The other downside i see is that we still are lacking at the shot blocking catagory, i say forget kobe and try to get KG....kg is an upgrade who will solve our problems. If not KG, get rashard.

I really hope we can get KG next,
 

Toons

is the Bo$$
billups just opted out of his contract, gilbert is still a free agent, ...
trade....marbury, crawford, Curry, nate for Kobe and Bynum, parker, pick up billups off the free agents list.....then trade Lee, qrich n Jefferies for Lewis

Billups....(off/def)
Kobe.....(off/def)
Lewis.....(off)
Randolph..(off)
Bynum....(def)........lol i know it will never happen like this right, but hey, juss playin around a little
 

lilman_bklyn

Rotation player
After having a full 24 hours to think about this trade... I have come to the conclusion that my initial sentiments are still true.. THIS TRADE SUCKS (Unless of course they are trading Randolph as soon as possible).
I am so friggin tired of Knicks fans lust to win now. I hear Zach is better than Frye, outclasses Frye, he's only two years older than Frye and a much better player, an Upgrade... blah blah BULLSHIT!!! THere comes a time when you are building a team when you have to do just that BUILD! When one builds a house, they start with the bricks and concrete and sheet rock, but you dont throw away the sheetrock and get more bricks. Yes Bricks is needed for the most important part of the house, but that sheet rock is needed as well. ANd that is what this trade is like to me. Frye was the sheetrock. I don't care that he had a bad season this year, that shit happens, like i said in an earlier post, after last season, if this trade was made, any true Knick fan would have been sayin What the fuck is wrong with Isiah. But you of little faith want to parade around the post now as if Frye was a friggin bum who didn't have a banner rookie year. I hear people saying Randolph can hit a 20ft jumper, so what, how many of his points came with that 20 point jumper, and why give up a player who is known for his jumper for someone who can do it on occassion. There is nothing right about this trade, unless it results in another trade.
 

metrocard

Legend
After having a full 24 hours to think about this trade... I have come to the conclusion that my initial sentiments are still true.. THIS TRADE SUCKS (Unless of course they are trading Randolph as soon as possible).
I am so friggin tired of Knicks fans lust to win now. I hear Zach is better than Frye, outclasses Frye, he's only two years older than Frye and a much better player, an Upgrade... blah blah BULLSHIT!!! THere comes a time when you are building a team when you have to do just that BUILD! When one builds a house, they start with the bricks and concrete and sheet rock, but you dont throw away the sheetrock and get more bricks. Yes Bricks is needed for the most important part of the house, but that sheet rock is needed as well. ANd that is what this trade is like to me. Frye was the sheetrock. I don't care that he had a bad season this year, that shit happens, like i said in an earlier post, after last season, if this trade was made, any true Knick fan would have been sayin What the fuck is wrong with Isiah. But you of little faith want to parade around the post now as if Frye was a friggin bum who didn't have a banner rookie year. I hear people saying Randolph can hit a 20ft jumper, so what, how many of his points came with that 20 point jumper, and why give up a player who is known for his jumper for someone who can do it on occassion. There is nothing right about this trade, unless it results in another trade.

Good post, I'm suprised this came from you too.

But this has been cliche of Isiah, I'm used to it. It could either work or be really damaging to the franchise. Most of the time, his trades don't work.


But at the same time, we didn't give much for Randolph, which is why I feel Isiah won on this trade.

We definately have more value on our team, and more trading pieces. Randolph contract is crazy, but he's a 20/10 guy (I doubt he averages 20 points with Curry), but he still produces all star numbers unlike Francis.

If we don't make the playoffs this year, Isiah should be banned from the NBA. He has had too many chances.
 
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