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    Originally Posted by lilman_bklyn
    Maybe i'm blind.. But I still don't see how adding Randolph makes the Knicks a better team. As I have stated previously, NY fans are so fickle. The fact of the matter is, if this trade was done last season, people would have been up in arms. Channing Frye was on the all rookie first team last year , i wasn't hearing anyone talking about him being one demensional then. You guys are missing the main point... there are two guys on this team that score 20ppg and both of them score those 20ppg in the paint. do you understand that there is only one ball to go around. The greatest offensive play caller would have a hard time figuring out how Curry and Randolph co-exist and have them both average anywhere near what they did last season. As knicklover said, if they would have recieved a Randolph quality 3, this trade would be awesome, and who knows, maybe Randolph will be sent packing soon for that quality 3 or a superstar, but I am commenting on what we have now.

    Steph
    Craw
    Q-Rich
    Randolph
    Curry

    does not make the knicks better
    I agree wit u. We need 2 move Randolph 2 get a shotblocker (Camby) or a shooter (Lewis). The fact is that the Knicks are gonna make @ least 2 more trades so I think we'll be alright by Oct.

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    Problem is that Randolph can't be traded for at least 60 days....
    I think Lee might be traded...though I hate to say it

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    They're all set at the 3. They got balkmen, q-rich, wilson chandler, and jared jeffries. They needed a defensive specialist who can come off the bench and back up Lee and Curry, and no not jared jeffries. Sean Williams who went to New Jerz would had been perfect.

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    No Lee won't be traded.. Where did you get that information from?

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    I dont know where he got that information but for some reason I have a bad feeling that Lee will get traded. Ewing33 is onto something. I'm led to believe that either Lee or randolph will be traded. Lee proved that hes too good to be comin off the bench. Isiah is tryin to get the pieces together to make a deal for one of the top 10 players in the league, possibly being Kobe or KG.

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    Hate to say it but I agree that Lee will be packaged (at least an attempted package) to get someone big...

    Lee and Crawford (though I rather it be Nate)for Lewis? Seattle will need someone like Lee to do some dirtywork

    Lee, Curry, Crawford and a pick for Kobe....no idea if these actually work

    What about KG?
    The Celtics were close to getting KG with an expiring contract, Al Jefferson and the 5 pick
    Seems to me that Lee, an expiring contract, and Curry would be the same thing...sort of...

    Haven't heard this...just my thoughts...I just can't imagine Curry and Randolph working out...they are too similar and we would be so bad defensively...Who knows

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    Andrei Kirilenko (AK-47) could be the answer, a tall defensive shot blocker to complement Zach and Curry who plays the 3. u never know, Utah could be willing to get rid of his remaining 5 yrs bloated contract.

    Proposed trade:

    Utah gets:
    D Lee: .9 mm (the main piece - a Jerry Sloan type of player))
    Rose:7.5 mm (expiring contract )
    Jared J:5.2 mm (Defensive 3)


    Knicks Get:
    AK-47: 12.3
    plus a throw in at the 1 mm range


    now imagine a starting line up of
    Stef (offense/a little Defense) backed by Marty
    Balkman (defense) backed by Crawford
    AK-47 (defense/ a little offense) backed by Q
    Zach (Offense) backed by Morris
    Curry (Offense) backed by Jerome

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    Nah. DId you make up that trade, cause it might not work..

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    AK47 isnt worth it at this point. Especially if he has 5 years left on his contract like you said. Where's Metrocard? I'm looking forward to what he has to say about yesterdays events.

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    What we really need is a shooter...with those two inside the defense will clog the lane...and we all know that we have a lot more scorers than shooters on this team

    ...it is a little exciting...somehow it seems like the Knicks are a little closer...but it is going to take more...

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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    They're all set at the 3. They got balkmen, q-rich, wilson chandler, and jared jeffries. They needed a defensive specialist who can come off the bench and back up Lee and Curry, and no not jared jeffries. Sean Williams who went to New Jerz would had been perfect.
    They are not set at the 3. They need an outside shooter so that when Curry/Randolph are doubled they can throw it outside and be a threat.

    What good was Curry last year drawing doubles and triples if he can't pass it to anyone that can hit a shot?

    Q-Rich is too injury prone and coming off surgery to depend on him being able to fill that role consistently and with a lot of minutes. Chandler will not be ready for a couple of years. Balkman has a lot of positive qualities, but being an outside shooter is not one of them. Jeffries? I don't think so.

    If they make another trade, I pray they trade Randolph and not Lee. Lee fits with Curry well and has no RAP SHEET. Trading Randolph for a high quality outside shooting 3 would give the Knicks all the pieces they need to make a serious run in the Eastern Conference while still retaining a deep and young bench that might yield some upside surprises this year or soon enough to matter.
    Last edited by knicklover; Jun 29, 2007 at 15:46.

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    Randolph isn't going to clog the lane up as much as you think. Randolph actually has a quality jumper out to 20 ft. We need a scheme that will punish other teams with our size. Randolph in the high post and curry in the low post does just that. And these guys are young...they will play defense eventually, it just depends how much emphasis is going to be put on that from Isiah. We're going in the right direction though. Isiah definitely has a plan and i don't know why they took francis and his contract for their best low post scorer lol. I guess they are really starting over and putting the franchise on Oden's shoulders...

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    Originally Posted by knicklover
    They are not set at the 3. They need an outside shooter so that when Curry/Randolph are doubled they can throw it outside and be a threat.

    What good was Curry last year drawing doubles and triples if he can't pass it to anyone that can hit a shot?

    Q-Rich is too injury prone and coming off surgery to depend on him being able to fill that role consistently and with a lot of minutes. Chandler will not be ready for a couple of years. Balkman has a lot of positive qualities, but being an outside shooter is not one of them. Jeffries? I don't think so.

    If they make another trade, I pray they trade Randolph and not Lee. Lee fits with Curry well and has no RAP SHEET. Trading Randolph for a high quality outside shooting 3 would give the Knicks all the pieces they need to make a serious run in the Eastern Conference while still retaining a deep and young bench that might yield some upside surprises this year or soon enough to matter.

    You gotta give Q a good solid chance this year. When he played, he helped out big time on the boards, knocked down shots, and played excellent defense. I remember both Lebron James and Paul Pierce having off game becuz of Q-rich. I'm sure most people on here would agree that If Richardson can stay healthy, hes our man at the 3 position with. Man, who gives a **** about Randolph havin a rap sheet. He stayed out of trouble last year hes startin to get a little bit older now to. Lets start a survey askin how many people care about Zach havin a rap sheet. I dont give a **** about off the court problems. As long as he aint got no on the court problems which he does, defense, and thats why he should be traded. Aint nobody care about rap sheets except david stern and the boston Celtics.

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    I think that was a good trade for that fact that we need another low post player. He can take alot of pressure off Curry. But on the other hand, we do have alot of big men on this team, almost too much.

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    The only thing I'm concerned about is ball movement.

    We were one of the worst in the league at taking care of the ball.

    Having two scoring big men is great, but is it a necessity?
    I look at most of the elite teams in the NBA, and they have a role playing big man play next to their All star dominant big man.

    It is going to be very complicated to see how the offense will go now.
    Remember when Curry got most of the touches and Knicks continued to feed him? How will that work now with Randolph.

    Keep in mind Randolph is a player who dominants the ball. This won't help Curry's scoring. I'm just confused, not mad at Isiah. We don't answer any of our problems, but we upgraded at our strengths; which is more positive than negative.

    Another thing now, we're clogged up with fowards. Who's going to be dealt now? I don't understand how we'll ever establish a sense of chemsitry with all these moves. I guess I'll have to wait another 3 years again to see that finallly happend.

    Randolph is superior to Frye in every was possible, and is only 2 years older than Frye.

    We also got rid of a Francis, which is a huge plus.

    Jones and Dickau are C players(we have alot of those), but they have expiring contracts, which add to their value.

    There is no question that Isiah has won in this deal and bitched the Blazers.

    In my eyes, this is how I would grade our roster


    PF - Randolph - B
    PG - Marbury - B
    PF - Lee - B-
    C - Curry - C+
    SG/SF - Richardson - C+
    SG - Crawford - C+
    SF - Balkman - C(potentially a B this year )
    PG/SG - Collins - C(potentially a B this year)
    PG - Robinson - C
    SF - Jefferies - D
    C - James - D
    PF - Rose - D

    Ungraded
    SF - Demetris Nichols
    SF - Wilson Chandler


    I'm excited about those two guys, I just wished we got rid of Jefferies so they could see some time.


    We have 5 small fowards...which leaves me to ask who's going to be traded? Q-Rich, Jefferies, or hopefully not Balkman.

    But overall, Isiah did decent. Randolph could be great trade value in the future to finally land us an A player.


    Its not even over, you could smell an Isiah trade coming soon.

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