Lilman... you disrespect those knick teams... ewing, oakley, starks, dharper, mason, smith, blackman, hubert davis, doc rivers... those teams were B - B- players playing their asses out in the garden... the problem is we never had a true A player... ewing thought he was the man... but could never deliver in the clutch... we had that A player in King... but we traded him early...
i want a championship in my lifetime... 73 was before my time... and everytime we get to the finals... my feelings got destroyed... artest could very well bring us back to the promise land... and if he does... then i would have been proven wrong again... but his history tells me this could be a very bad idea in a year or 2...
i dont think i disrespected them at all. If those players were B level, they would have won a championship the way they played the game with Heart and all out hustle. But they weren't. Doc Rivers and Derek Harper were maybe B players early in their careers, not when they got to the knicks though, Starks was a great knick, but not a B player, neither was mase or hubert davis. Oak was an above B player as was Ewing.
Artest as a knick would bring the fire needed to spark this team, hopefully the coaches would catch on and start preaching defense. Artest as a knick could bring this team to the brink
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You'll never get me to say Starks was a great KNICK ever...far as I am concerned cost US the title in 94. Damn 2-17 in Game 7....But I blame Riley for that as well..should have been went to Rolando Blackman when he had the chance.
Starks had his moments...but he's not greater than Charles Oakley...but he is greater than Charles Smith...Derek Harper...about par with Hubert Davis...
[QUOTE=ShairanXIII;33897]I'm tired of having playoff teams in NY... /QUOTE]
Where have you been? Its been quit sometime we made noise in the playoffs, almost a decade.
I would be happy with a competitive playoff team that can give me hope, FIRST. We all want a championship. But how you gonna say you want a championship without playoffs? Thats like saying wanting to smoke a blunt without a dutch or a phillie.
I agree with you though. We need an A player to build around. In the 90's we had some of the best B level players you can find, and they were a joy to watch. Artest is a B/B+ player, maybe with Randolph. Still not GOOD enough compared the rest of guys in the league like Wade, Kidd, Duncan, Lebron, Kobe, Dirk, Nash, Amare, and etc. We need a name in those guys level if we wan't to consider a championship. Team play is important, but this is the NBA, you need your superstar to carry you time to time.
uh they made the finals twice in the 90s....playing against jordan and the pacers every year. why are yall hating? sure we didnt have a super super star like mj but we had a great team.
Uh im not hating im just stating the truth!!! They could have built a better team around Ewing but they never.I could be wrong but I think the two times we made it to the finals MJ was'nt playing?? If he was then im sure we would'nt have made it that far.The knicks front office messed up those teams by not building a powerhouse team around Ewing and if they trade off Lee,or Baukman for artest then they will be doing the same thing.
are you saying curry is in ewing's league? because in terms of defense and rebounding hes nowhere near ewing. he is our number one player but i dont think he stacks up as much as ewing did (in terms of impact on both ends of the court at least)
Starks was not "great"... he was the goat of game 7... 2 for 18 is infamous... maybe a B- or C+...
hubert davis was a solid C... Harper's defense made them put in the hand check rule... he was our best point guard until steph... knocking down 3s or posting up cats... kinda like sam cassell with defense... at least a B player...
Rivers wasn't a B player during his time with the knicks... neither was Herb...
Detroit proved that you don't NEED an A player to win a chip... a good core of B - B+ players can get it done... i just hope that whatever we decide to be (build around 1 A player) or find complementary Bs... that we stick to it and can start winning...
Shar, so how the hell do you win a championship without going into the playoffs? We all want a championship, I seriously don't understand what you're trying to say.
Portland, New Jersey, and Sacramento had competitive STRONG teams that had the opportunity to win a championship. They fell short, it happends to every team in the NBA.
Do you think we could magically leap the level of a Jailblazer, a Bibby/Peja/Divac/Webber Kings squad or a Nets fast break defensive squad of Kidd/Kittles/Jefferson/Martin and just reach championship level? Hell no, you're wrong. We need to get into the playoffs first, and get experience. Theres nothing wrong with failing in the playoffs, its definately better than being one of the worst teams in the league. Do you want the Knicks to compete or just be losers? I don't know where you're coming from.
I'm sorry to break it to you, we're not Detroit. Detroit had 3-4 All stars with playoff experience on their team. We have zero. Brown and Isiah are totally different.
We need to make the playoffs to improve. Not making the playoffs each season doesn't PROGRESS the franchise.
Bulls failed in the playoffs, but they're projected to be the future of the East, same with the Cavs, Orlando Magic, etc. You don't win championships right away.
Detroit failed in the playoffs before they won anything. They benefited from EXPERIENCE, thats why Detroit looks like a flawless team at times because of their superior experience.
Same with the SPURS, they didn't win the title every year, but they were in POSITION to every god damn year they played basketball. The more experience they build, the better they get.
We weren't the Bulls, but who were like the Bulls? We were ****ing good, and I enjoyed the style we played. If you don't, I can't really consider you a Knick fan. The 90's were awesome, from the beginning to the end.
I believe we're a 7th-8th seed, and hopefully we get as much experience as possible in the playoffs this season, so we can benefit in the future and finally build an INDENTITY in the ****ing NBA.