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Thread: Lee for Artest: I really put alot of thought into it

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    I fist must say that a sixth man is not the most important part of any team. You make a good point about Balkman but I'd like to see him and Lee play side by side. They both bring allot of energy off the bench. Lee shouldn't be traded for Artest. Sacramento will give Artest away for table scraps. Give them Rose and Jeffries. If they want more than that throw in Nate and tell the to go #$*& them selves.
    agreed... and i hear what you guys are saying about balkman because i agree wholeheartedly about his potential... but imagine having balkman AND lee on the squad together for the next 5 seasons... assuming we don't move anyone else... we get to have a gwallace/kirelenko/dennis rodman type AND a more athletic troy murphy... no one's sleeping on balkman... but if he already has defensive skill set that is similar to artest... and could develop the offensive skills of kirilenko/gwallace... why trade away a vital cog to bring in ronny?

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    Lee will comeback next season with a nice 15ft. j. He will be a 83-85pct ft shooter. He'll be a better defender and will avg 12pts 11.5rebs and 1stl in 30mins with a 60-62fg pct. off the bench....Can't complain w/ that

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    I say wait until Artest ops out next season because NY will be at the top of his list of teams to play for.

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    theres no way we give up lee....sacramento is over a barrel when it comes to artest. hes already said he is opting out....which means they have him for 1 year max. they WANT to get rid of him, and most GMs know this....lee is far too high a price when you have someone against a wall.

    thats like knocking a gun out of a muggers hand, and then throwing him 50 bucks....makes no sense.

    artest said he wants to come here....so if at worst we wait a year and then bring him in...who does this hurt? nobody. he is then a year older, but so what. hes not on the wrong side of 30.....

    isiah should be steadfast and ready to hold onto his chips for the long haul....if he gives in and gives up an above avg player in return for artest it will be a sin. sending jefferies over there along with malik rose (if that money evens out) should be more than enough for sac. they have ZERO leverage.

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    Originally Posted by KOWIE
    thats like knocking a gun out of a muggers hand, and then throwing him 50 bucks....makes no sense.
    LMAFOOO....Right on tho.

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    Originally Posted by KOWIE
    theres no way we give up lee....sacramento is over a barrel when it comes to artest. hes already said he is opting out....which means they have him for 1 year max. they WANT to get rid of him, and most GMs know this....lee is far too high a price when you have someone against a wall.

    thats like knocking a gun out of a muggers hand, and then throwing him 50 bucks....makes no sense.

    artest said he wants to come here....so if at worst we wait a year and then bring him in...who does this hurt? nobody. he is then a year older, but so what. hes not on the wrong side of 30.....

    isiah should be steadfast and ready to hold onto his chips for the long haul....if he gives in and gives up an above avg player in return for artest it will be a sin. sending jefferies over there along with malik rose (if that money evens out) should be more than enough for sac. they have ZERO leverage.
    I agree with Kowie, Sac is up against the wall with Artest. The only team probably willing to put up with him is NYK. Plus, we already know that he wants to be here so his opt out clause means nothing to us. This is his home.

    I do think it will take more than Jeffries and Rose to get the deal done. JEffries had a bad season so his stock has fallen. Rose is solid, but not enough that adding Jeffries will seal the deal. Perhaps throw Nate in the mix and it could happen. The better those guys do in the Summer league the better our chances of holding on to Lee.

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    Giving up Lee for Artest would be a mistake. We should give balkman more playing time to see if he can take the next step like lee did in his 2nd year. If balkman turns out to be a younger artest, then there is no need for him. If he doesnt, we can just sign artest next year.
    Its been known he wants to come here, so why give up a walking double double off the bench when we can get him for nothing in return.
    Unless Q is 100% i think RB should start, he has more explosiveness than JJ, and more potential.
    It may be a good idea to just go into the season with what we have and maybe put pressure on sac to trade him by the deadline, they know he's gonna be gone when the year ends, so theyll be looking for young talent in return.

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    Great Thread ! I'm completley torn on this ! I mean I agree to some extent w/ everyone's opinion. Look both players have bright futures in this league, but if we land Artest one of them has to be apart of the package, just for PT purposes, beacuse like it was said in one of the previous post, we can land him for table scraps. But who do we let go? No doubt Lee has made a name for himself and the safe move is to let Balkman go, but I like D Lee too much to see him playing only 20 minutes a game when he's capable of 30 plus, and regardless of what Isiah says, his minutes will suffer from the Randolph acqusition. However as stated before Balkman is more of a perimeter defender than a low post, but is a better shot blocker than Lee, and if he adds about 15 pounds of muscle, than I think he can defend the post. Lee is the better free throw shooter and now that we have Zach and Eddy racking up fouls against opposing teams free throws are more important now than ever. But also it was stated how much Balkman and Artest would be a compliment, which is true, if we land Artest than Balkman and Artest on the floor together is murder for the opposing team. But w/ Zach out we insert Lee and have not lost any leverage on the boards. Look at the end of the day, Ron wants to be in New York and Sac wants him out, the ball is in our court so let's make them stress over this not us, worst case scenerio we don't land him, we keep them both, and Q is our starting 3, and we wait to see if Ron ops out and we trade him for what's in Dolan's checking account. But think about it we have a more offensive minded Oakley, and a more offensive minded Rodman on the same squad ! Kudos to Zeke for getting them both But who do we let go?

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    Considering we just acquired Randolph, i think that makes Lee expendable for for a proven Small Forward. The only negative is Artest can at times be a headcase. From a talent standpoint ,it's definitely a upgrade.

    C Curry
    PF Randolph
    SF Artest
    SG Crawford
    PF Marbury

    I like the potential of that team. That could potentially be a 50 win team and top 3 seed in the East.

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    Bottom line, I think the knicks NEED to get Artest no matter who they give up. The good news is, we have options (from best to worst). Also keep in mind that we're 2 players over the 15 players limit.

    option 1: wait for 7 more weeks (2 mths rule) and package Fred Jones (3.3mm)/Dan D (2.8mm) & Nates 1.2mm) expiring contracts totaling 7.3mm for Artest (7.8mm)

    option 2: Rose + Jared + Dan D + Nate for Artest + Kenny's bad contract (Salaries do match) - i actually like this .

    option 3: David lee (1.00mm) + Jared J (5.6mm) or Jerome (5.8mm) for Artest (7.8mm) - still within the 25%

    option 4: Rose near expiring contract (7.1mm) + either balkman or lee (1.0mm) for Artest (7.8mm)

    there are still more scenarios out there, but I'm getting tired here...just bring the damn guy to NY

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    I agree Balkman IF he gets his minutes, he will be like Lee or better then Lee. Lee and Balkman we should KEEP. I want them both on the team they are young and talented. and we got Balkman @ 20th pick, Lee 30th. These guys are the future. and we already traded away Frye....

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    Originally Posted by timnakhla
    option 2: Rose + Jared + Dan D + Nate for Artest + Kenny's bad contract (Salaries do match) - i actually like this .
    I also like this option....Just wish we didn't have 2 give up Dickau. He'd be the PERFECT backup 4 this Knicks team. Not only does he distribute the rock, but he can also be that shooter we need when teams decide 2 double the post.

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    Originally Posted by FameMos
    Lee will comeback next season with a nice 15ft. j. He will be a 83-85pct ft shooter. He'll be a better defender and will avg 12pts 11.5rebs and 1stl in 30mins with a 60-62fg pct. off the bench....Can't complain w/ that

    "**** the Zach Randolph Trade"
    I'm glad you are able to see into the future... how bout you hook me up with the lotto numbers while you are at it.

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    i like balkman too, but if i have to choose btwn him and lee, im going with lee. i need a good white guy (who is american) on the knicks god damnit!!!!!!

    in all seriousness though, all this RB 'speculation' is nuts. saying "hes gonna be..." is crazy. lee is a proven commodity.

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    I say wait until Artest ops out next season because NY will be at the top of his list of teams to play for.

    In todays New York Post they had this strange article about if the Knicks want Ron Artest they would have to give up David Lee. Sports writers with nothing better to write a couple of days before the Knicks Summer League starts. Throwing all kinds of Knick trade rumors up in the air.

    Let me throw this up in the air for all Knick-Fans, when it comes to Logic along with Common-Sense after watching the Performance of David Lee, Balkman, and Collins, it spells these three players should be Knicks for the next seven (7) years (No more to be said).

    What will Lee, Balkman, and Collins bring to the table on this team?
    Try Horry, Rick Fox, and Ron Harper (Championship Starters).
    Try Rambis, Cooper, and Scott (Championship Starters).
    They are extraordinary Role-Players.

    NEWS-Flash!
    The Knicks just added two 6.8 players in this past draft in Chandler and Nichols. Both are SF!
    6.11 Jefferies can only play SF.
    6.6 Fred Jones can only play SF.
    6.6 Q.Richardson can only play SF.

    How many PF does the Knicks have on their Roster?
    6.10 Rookie Randolph Morris
    6.9 David Lee (Plays all three positions well, should be a Starter).
    6.10 Zack Randolph (can he play with Curry?).

    How many Centers on the Knick Roster?
    7.0 Jerome James (should let him collect 4 fouls per game).
    6.11 Eddy Curry (the most he should average is 28 MPG).

    ALL NBA Fans should know that Curry, Zack, and Marbury, are just Halfcourt-Offensive-Players, and can not keep up with any running transition teams in the NBA. Their Defense is nonexistence against a transition team.

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