you put Steph on that LA team... or that Sea team... or that Mia team... they still reach the finals... you're lying to yourself if you say otherwise...
Your all time list looks official...
so would you rank Rip ahead of T-Mac and Ray Allen? Ray made it to the conference finals and the conference semis in Mil... he brought Sea to the second round his first year there... but... he's not a winner either I guess... hopefully you see the error in your argument...
go jig for the hawks... steph doesn't run point over there...
Because it was the only thing GP was missing, just as it's the same thing Patrick Ewing is missing...you accomplish all you can individually as a player..the only thing left is to win a championship..Mario Elie will never be a Hall of Famer..but he has I think 3 or 5 rings....
I've never stated I liked Steph in the first place..I have always say I think he as a player is bad for the team. Not saying anything new here....
Yeah it's too late to construct a team around Steph but I do think with his much better offensive ability he'd be better off at the 2 spot. He offensively FG% wise is much more consistent than Crawford, and much more healthy than Qrich...so I think this would be the best utilization for him. Basically, starting 2 pg's....I think it would work better with him and someone else in the back court handling the rock more often. There would be some match up problems night to night..but with his quickness he should at least be able to draw 3 fouls on his man...and not get beat off the dribble forcing his opponent to shoot...
I would not rank Rip ahead of Tracy or Ray. What I was saying was Rip has won a title, and is not the most talented SG in the league. The fact that he won without being the most talented..yes he had help..but he was a key player..DET basically as 5 role players in the starting 5..well had 5 minus Big Ben...
Tracy and Ray as talented as they are...are not going to come close to winning a title. Yeah help is apart of it...but a leader takes over a team..a leader gets his team closer to the win...tired of seeing Tracy crying..not saying it's all his fault..he is only one man at the end of the day. But other players have pretty much done it by themselves with the role players they get around them..because you make them better. Larry Bird made the guys around him better...Patrick made guys around him better...Reggie Miller made guys around him better....Iverson even for 1 season made guys around him good enough to go to the Finals....
Tony Parker isn't the best PG in the NBA. He's a poor defender, passer, and lacks the range. Playing with the best all around player, and the greatest PF of all time doesn't make you the best PG in the NBA.
Dude...everything Baron Davis does, Marbury does. Davis isn't even a good defender and chucks up alot of 3pt shots and shoots a low FG%. He's also injury prone. Baron Davis and Marbury are in the same level; with Marbury having the slight edge. For you to put Davis near your top 5 just proves you have a bias against Marbury.
Jason Terry isn't even the 2nd best player on the Mavericks. Seriously, are you pulling these rankings out of your ass? Playing on the team with the best RECORD doesn't automatically put you on a top 10 PG list. Terry isn't a better passer, defender or better overall PG than Marbury. I'll take Terry's jumpshot over Marbury, but honestly who's was Jason Terry before Dallas? He was putting up decent stats in Alanta and losing. Jason Terry isn't even an all star and has never been near All Star level. Being the PG of the team with the best record in the NBA doesn't make you elite. Terry always been a great PG, but never has been better than Stephon Marbury, from the Hawks to now.
Marbury >>> Hinrich. Hinrich will never be an all star in this league. He's a B-level PG who fits Chicago's role nicely. He won't play a bigger role in his career, cause he has his limits.
I could respect your all time PG rankings.
With all that said, how the hell did you establish your first PG rankings? That was so crazy and random, and I was like wtf...where does this dude get his bud from.
A'Rod for the Yankees...true. But that doesn't change the fact A'Rod is the best player in the American league and has been for almost a decade.
Ray Allen > Rip too. Rip won a title because he's on a good team with the best group of players in the league. It doesn't make him the best SG in the league. Kobe only plays with one border-line all star who's injury prone. The result? You don't see Kobe in the Western Conference finals anymore. With Shaq, they were a dynasty. Now with Walton, Bynum, Cook etc, they're just an 8th at best. Now Kobe isn't the best SG in the NBA? He is, and will be till he retires, doesn't matter if he wins a title or not.
All I'm saying T'Mac > Bowen, Teyshaun. Bowen and Teyshaun aren't top 5 SF in the NBA. T'Mac would be found in the top 3 of all SF's in the NBA.
lol...where does Kevin Garnett fall on your top PF rankings...Number 9; with Robert Horry ahead of him? Kevin Garnett is a prime example when you don't have the right players around you can't carry your team by yourself to the finals. When the T'Wolves finally had some mentionable players like Sprewell, Cassel, and Wally to held Garnett, they made it to the West Conference finals.
Another point I want to make, winning does help your resume as a player in any league. But you shouldn't emphasize so much to the point that player becomes ranked above players he isn't better than. Its that simple.
Metro you are sounding crazy right now. Marbury better than Baron Davis??? Did you even watch any of the playoffs??? Baron Davis leads a barely .500 team to the biggest upset in NBA playoff history since the Dikembe Nuggets knocked off the Sonics while Marbury was riding the pine when the Knicks needed him the most. Skill set may be the same but Baron has twice the heart of Marbury. Whenever the Warriors needed a pick-me up Baron was there getting a steal or a big three or got to the foul line. Marbury will NEVER be that type of player. Not knocking Marbury but some guys just don't have it in them. How about calling Barkley and Kenny " The Jet" Smith and telling them that Marbury is better than Baron Davis. They will have a "gone fishing" portrait ready complete with a fitted fisherman's hat. PERIOD.
so because steph has a high FG % he should be a 2 guard? maybe Nash should run the 2 at phoenix too... 2pgs... at the same time... hmmmm... too bad we traded steve francis... he could take care of the point guard responsibilities for steph... too bad NO ONE ever tried that... we'd win the chip for sure...
so if Rip... who is not the best SG can win with help... can steph... who cracks your top 20 can't win with help? again... your bias is clouding your argument my dude...
Larry Bird played with... Top 50 NBA players Kevin McHale and Robert Parish... former finals MVP Dennis Johnson... Danny Ainge... former league MVP Bill Walton... not hard to "make" everyone else around you better when they're HOF already...
Reggie had Ric Smits, Mark Jackson, Dale and Antonio Davis... again... nice supporting cast...
Patrick is a post player... as history has shown... it's easier to win with a dominant post player on your roster than with a dominant point guard...
Iverson's team was designed around his talents... defensive hustle... offensive rebounds... and a great help defender in the middle (motumbo)...
you're proving my point... get steph the help... and he too can win... name the last time a team won with a dominant point guard and nothing else? now that he has Curry and Randolph to take the offensive pressure off him... the knicks will be even more dangerous since he can still bust out those 30/40 point games...
YES I WATCHED THE PLAYOFFS!!! WHY DO YOU USE EXCLAMATION MARKS 3 TIMES???
Baron had a great playoffs series. Kudos to him. Davis is fishing with Marbury too, you're a couple months late.
It doesn't change the fact Davis is one of the most injury prone PG's in the NBA. At best he'll play 70 games, and he only played 62 for Golden State. He hasn't played a full NBA season since 2001. Thats 6 ****ing years, this dude is as injury prone as Grant Hill.
His best FG% is 43...thats like Marbury's career average. Davis is normally a 40-41% FG shooter on 18 ppg. He's accually on the same level with Marbury on terms of passing. He's accually a below average 3pt shooter at 32%, and accually almost took 600 threes one season(crazy). His weaknesses are his injuries and his shot selection.
I'll tell you what about Davis, those injuries held him back from having possibly a hall of fame career. He had it all, the hops, the ability at PG, the size, everything. I remember him in the 1999, he was one of the most explosive PG's I ever seen in my life.
But Marbury's consistancy > Davis. Davis gotta stay healthy till be becomes a top 5 PG again.
Overall talent, Davis is probably the best you can find at PG. But as an overall player, Davis falls to the same level with Marbury, which isn't bad.
1. Steve Nash
2. Gilber Arenas
3. Jason Kidd
4. Tony Parker
4.5. Baron Davis
6. Deron Williams
6. Chauncey Billups
7. Chris Paul
8. Allen Iverson
10. Mike Bibby
11. Jason Terry
12. Kirk Hinrich
13. Delonte West
14. Ray Felton
15. Speddy Claxton
16. Andre Miller
17. Earl Boykins
18. Smush Parker
19. Dan Gibson
20. Jason Williams
Now Listen All Of U Guyz Who Saying Stephon Marbury Is A Looser Need To Get Ur Facts Straight. First Of All Jason Kidd Was Drafted By The Dallas Mavericks, What Did He Accomplish With Me Mavericks Nothing. He Was A Distraction To That Team With His Off The Court Issue With His Wife. Then Got Traded To The Phoenix Where They Made It To The Playoffs Not Because Of Him But Because He Had The Supporting Cast. Meanwhile He Was Traded To New Jersey For Stephom Marbury Where He Had A Healthy Kerry Kittles, Healthy Keyon Martin And A Rookie From Arizona In Richard Jefferson.they Made It To The Finals Twice And Got Swept By The Lakers And Spurs Granteed. So Tell Me What In The Hell Makes Jason Kidd And Steve Nash Better Than Marbury, When None Of These Men Has Ever Won A Championship. To Me An Athlet Is Categorized As An Achiever If And When He Or She Has Won A Championship. To Me All Three Men Are Lossers Cos None Of Them Have A Trophy Or Ring To Show For It. Secondly U Guys Just Say Anything U Hear From The Media, Just Because The Guy Leave The Team Don't Make The Team Better. They Don't Become Better Cos Stephon Marbury Was Traded. Look At Karl Marlon And John Stockton, One Of The Best Power Forward And Point Guard To Ever Play This Game, That Don't Mean They Are Winners Cos They Aint Got The Trophy Or Ring To Show For It. Therefore U People Need To Research And Get Ur Facts Straight, U Making This Guy Look Like He Is The Bad Guy On Every Team He Plays On.