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    Angry Has crawford really improved? Is he better than a mediocre SG?

    Has jamaal even really improved at all? Almost every stat was lower tin 06-07 than 05-06. He averaged about 17point the last 4 years except one, he avg 14 ppg in larry browns season('05-06). He actually shot better % in '05-06 as compared to '06-07. His 3pt was down also.Another thing, you take away his hot night, (52pts)he loses almost .881 almost an entire point off his ppg avg. His turnovers were at a career worst last season 2.75 per game(2.22per game 05-06). Blocks were down(.1), Steals Down(.1), assists higher(.6), Reb up (.1). Most slight down and ups, except turnovers, thats a big jump avg almost 3 a game Career worst, he had 13 more turnovers the previous year, but played 20 less games this year. Bottom line is how come every one says he's improved each year???
    A lot of people compare crawford to rip hamilton. RIp's fg% and 3ptFG% are better, although last year RIPs fg% and 3ptFG% was down, so was jammals!! RIP still had him..FG% 468% -.400% and 3ptFG% .341-.320. Jamaal wasn't even his best in recent years. He seems to have gotten slightly higher or lower than .400 fg% each year, but was better last year! where's the improvement? Who cares if he has improved his shot selection if they still only hit .400fg%? If you look at NBA webpage for stats he tied for 126th in the league for guards in FG% That means there are 125 other guards out there that shoot better So it is not only allstars like RIP that shoot better, it's half the leagues guards. If you use the sites Qualifier(not sure what it is) He ranks only 46th in the league, thats a big jump, butit's 46 out of a total of 50 guards who qualified! So that means that every other guard in the entire league that qualified except 4guys 3 of them are point guards!!! 2 of them back up point guards!!! Now lest compare him to the shooters on the knicks,
    It's easier to list the guys who had a worse shooting% Worst to best. You have Rookie Randolph morris .167,(made 1 of his 6 total shots), Kelvin kato .318 made (7 of 22) ., Rookie Mardy collins .382 (87-228), malik rose .398 (74 of 186), thats it then we have your boy! Crawford .400 (354-886) He was 5th worse!!! out of the 15 players they displayed at the team web site and those guys he beat didn't even play much(2 rookies!) Even jerome james had better FG% .418 (33 of 79) Out of the guards he also has worst 3pt FG% besides Rookie Collins. Yeah he beats malik rose and jarred jefferies in 3pts, but i'd rather any other guard shoot them him.
    So don't try and compare this clown crawford to RIP hamilton. granted Crawfor could become that good, if he runs off screens and shoots a higher FG%. So he has to be much more consistent. The whole thing is you can say that about any SG. Heck, if I could shoot a higher FG% I'd have made the NBA. Easier said than done. Lets seem him improve, and I mean really improve. All his stats are down, he showed small improvements in rebounding (+.1 per game) assists (+.6 per game, thanks to eddy curry, someone had to feed him the ball anyone could) and Scoring avg (+3.3per game, 3 of last 4 season he avg 17pts it only dropped because Larry brown new he didn't want him shooting so much), so he took +4 more shots per game, had aworse shooting %(-.016)Basically took more made less. Heck he had more total points in 05-06 on close to the same number of shots. turnovers (+.53 more per game!) Blocks (-.1) Steals(-.1) he has not improved!!! He's been only a mediocre to sub par SG. yeah he hit a good number of big shots! But he missed just as many big shots that could have won games! Heck some of his game winners he had 3-5 attempts at, because neither team scored. I like Jamaal, I get sucked in watching him play, but thats because I'm a knick fan and root for him. He hasn't improved. I swear, his biggest gain from this season to last was in points, he took more shots made less %, and he has avg 17pts 3 of 4 season, just not the Larry brown season!!!So is usually avg 17pts and avg 17 points again after a bad season an improvement??? His assist game is up mainly because eddy currys FG% was up! His rebounds barely went up, and every other stat was worse! Including turnover!!! Open Your eyes knick fans, we need a bettr SG. Look at the knicks team stats! Look at crawfords career stats!

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    Angry P.S. ex knicks prospects like Matt carrol and matt barnes both better.

    Ex-knicks prospects now better. Matt carrol, who played on the knicks summer league teams when he came out of college, wasn't signed, but blew crawford out of water with fg% and 3pt%. He avg 12pts in 10 less minutes taking 6 less shots. Hmmm if you gave him 6 more shots and more playing time? Matt barnes has better FG and 3ptfg% also.Both of them taller and heavier than Crawford. The mediocre?subpar shooting guard. Both made more 3pointers than crawford, 103 3pointers made last year, it was close, Carrol 111 3pointers made and Barnes 106 3pointers made. But crawfor attempted 55 more 3's than carrol and 32 more times than Barnes. These two players are cheap effective options the knicks could have now, but don't, they have Crawford, who they pay a lot of money to be terrible guard. I wonder if anyone who attempted as many shots as crawfor averaged less than him? Come on there has to be one worse guard out there somewhere!!!

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    he makes the knicks franchise player much better and he's a clutch performer

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    he makes the knicks franchise player much better and he's a clutch performer
    Exactly. There's not statistic for clutch. I like Crawford. I wish he played the Houston roll and hit easy shots. I don't know how you can compare Crawford to a kid that didn't make the team. To me that's the only stat that doesn't add up. I wouldn't mind trading Crawford/Richardson to clear cap space but I've got very little issues with Jamal's game. He holds us down when we're having a bad night.

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    Any NBA level guard should be able to dump the ball into eddy curry. It's a basic skill most guards learn very early. I'm sure Curry wouldn't miss him. If we had a shooter that needed a double team, not crawford. Curry's game would explode.
    Someone stated Stats aren't everything, I agree. Crawford plays hard and has a good attitude, I just don't think he's improved at all and i don't think his outside shooting skill matches that of a NBA caliber shooter. He can break people down and drive. Wich makes him versatile, but he's not a consistent Shooting threat. His shot selection, which is suppose to have a player take better/easier shots, more likely to go in. Having a positive effect of ones shooting %. By taking better/easier shots and hitting them. I don't care if he is taking better/easier shots and still missing! What good is that? I mean seriously? I hope and pray crawford makes me eat my words this season. I hope he turns the corner and does all the things people keep saying he's done the past couple seasons(but really hasn't, like improve any part of his game). I'll be the first to give him props on knicks online forums! But stop with the delusions. One Guy said it has been the best season of his career? What makes it so good? What makes it so much better than the years with chicago and the first year here that he avgs 17points? 0.6 assists per game come on 0.53 turnoersmore a game(you do realize those are bad, right?) His best year with the knicks.was

    2004-05, 17.7ppg career High, 4.3 apg, 2.9 rpg , 1.3 steals 2.11 TO's

    the previous year with chicago was even better

    2003-04 17.3ppg(0.4 less than career high in 2004-05) 5.1 assists(career high) 3.5 rebounds (career high) 1.4 steal(career high) 2.41 TO's also career high in blocks: .4 per game (career high)

    2006-07 17.6ppg, 4.4 assist, 3.2rebounds, 1.0 steals 2.75 TO's .1 blocks

    thats was last season, not one career best. Not even his way awesome fg%
    which he had better stats in 2001-02(career high.476), 2002-03 and 2005-07.

    He is about the same in those 3 years 2003, 2004, and 2007, 2007 was his best fg% out of those years, but not one career high in any stat. Except turn overs.

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    Originally Posted by jzero29
    Any NBA level guard should be able to dump the ball into eddy curry. It's a basic skill most guards learn very early. I'm sure Curry wouldn't miss him. If we had a shooter that needed a double team, not crawford. Curry's game would explode.
    its not that easy, crawford and curry actually have great chemistry, they communicate without even talking or making a play, if its that easy to dunk it into curry, why is dat when crawford got hurt, that alley oop play like vanished and curry was working harder to get his buckets?

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    Crawford has great potential. He has good form on his jumper but he makes bad decisions when shooting the rock which makes everyone think that he's garbage. If he could improve his shot selection then his game would improve drastically. Otherwise his shooting percentage is going to stay in the mid-high 30% and his TO's will be above the average mark. Personally I like Crawford but he's so frustrating to watch at times that people want to trade him in a heart beat. Let the kid grow before we ship him. He has that clutch factor on this team that no one has. He will improve eventually...

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    Originally Posted by jzero29
    Any NBA level guard should be able to dump the ball into eddy curry. It's a basic skill most guards learn very early. I'm sure Curry wouldn't miss him. If we had a shooter that needed a double team, not crawford. Curry's game would explode.
    Someone stated Stats aren't everything, I agree. Crawford plays hard and has a good attitude, I just don't think he's improved at all and i don't think his outside shooting skill matches that of a NBA caliber shooter. He can break people down and drive. Wich makes him versatile, but he's not a consistent Shooting threat. His shot selection, which is suppose to have a player take better/easier shots, more likely to go in. Having a positive effect of ones shooting %. By taking better/easier shots and hitting them. I don't care if he is taking better/easier shots and still missing! What good is that? I mean seriously? I hope and pray crawford makes me eat my words this season. I hope he turns the corner and does all the things people keep saying he's done the past couple seasons(but really hasn't, like improve any part of his game). I'll be the first to give him props on knicks online forums! But stop with the delusions. One Guy said it has been the best season of his career? What makes it so good? What makes it so much better than the years with chicago and the first year here that he avgs 17points? 0.6 assists per game come on 0.53 turnoersmore a game(you do realize those are bad, right?) His best year with the knicks.was

    2004-05, 17.7ppg career High, 4.3 apg, 2.9 rpg , 1.3 steals 2.11 TO's

    the previous year with chicago was even better

    2003-04 17.3ppg(0.4 less than career high in 2004-05) 5.1 assists(career high) 3.5 rebounds (career high) 1.4 steal(career high) 2.41 TO's also career high in blocks: .4 per game (career high)

    2006-07 17.6ppg, 4.4 assist, 3.2rebounds, 1.0 steals 2.75 TO's .1 blocks

    thats was last season, not one career best. Not even his way awesome fg%
    which he had better stats in 2001-02(career high.476), 2002-03 and 2005-07.

    He is about the same in those 3 years 2003, 2004, and 2007, 2007 was his best fg% out of those years, but not one career high in any stat. Except turn overs.

    I hope you are not suggesting that Matt Carrol is better than Crawford? Or Barnes. Not buying it. These guys are spot up shooters, and one trick ponies. Not even fair.

    Also, you seem to forget his role has changed year in and year out depending on the coach. One minute he starts, next minute he don't play. One minute he is the pg, next minute he is the two.

    I go on what I see from a player. Not really their numbers ALL OF THE TIME.

    For instance, Stephs numbers were way down for him, but most people watching him play would say he had his best overall season.

    If you look at Mardy Collins numbers, you would not see anything spectacular. Cept we all know he played so well, we no longer wanted to see Francis on the court at all.

    Jamal went down, the triple teams on Curry picked up. So as bad as you say he is as a shooter, the league must did not agree with you. H is by no means automatic from deep, but his mid range game is pretty solid. And because of his handle, he does not need to run off a million screen like Hamilton. Plus, rip is faster, so he gets around them very quickly. JC does not have that type of speed. They are diff. Rip is a better shooter. Period.

    JC can however be a better scorer than him because of what he can create on his own. If you watched Crawford last year based on play, you would see clearly he was a better player. Took smarter shots, way more free throws, and created for others as well. And anyone REALLY paying attention last year knows with a healthy Crawford, we beat a lot of those teams we gave close games without him... mainly because Curry would not be a gazillion teamed, and we'd have one more player to help Curry and Steph score.

    That said.. I can't wait to see how teams plan to gaurd JC this year when the lanes should be free to roam because of Zach and Curry.... yikes...

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    I try my best not to speak about Crawford-Game Performance for the Knicks.
    Why? He is the only SG on the Knicks.
    The Knicks has been my TEAM for decades, but the Laydumb & Zeke Imagination mystery trade of Players has not been thrilling in the last 7 years.

    How we Knick-fans are so optismistic that we use our imagination each offseason over Zekes trades or signings of a veteran player (we) thinking only the best of how this Player will help us WIN. Dedecaded-FANS we are.

    Since Zeke arrived his imagination of a Starting-5 Unit has been
    PG-Norris-Marbury-Francis,
    SG-Penny-Crawford,
    SF-Tim Thomas-Q.Richardson-Jalen Rose-Jefferies,
    PF-Malik Rose-Taylor-Zack,
    C-James-Curry.
    All these players were traded for or signed to the MAX MLE.
    Zeke was given the right tools ($$$) to get one decent Player for every Position.
    Alot of NBA G.M.s wish they had half the priviledge that Isiah Thomas has with the Knicks.

    Jamal Crawford showed the NBA his worth playing for the Chicago Bulls.
    The Bulls ran their entire offense around PG-Jamal Crawford. The Bulls lost season after season.
    Jamal Crawford was only worth the Max MLE. And thats all I would have offered him. If the Bulls would have matched that offer to keep Crawford they never would have made it to the playoffs with Crawford in their lineup (Ben Gordon would'nt have been given the chance to WIN so many last quarter games).

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    Originally Posted by Kiyaman
    I try my best not to speak about Crawford-Game Performance for the Knicks.
    Why? He is the only SG on the Knicks.
    The Knicks has been my TEAM for decades, but the Laydumb & Zeke Imagination mystery trade of Players has not been thrilling in the last 7 years.

    How we Knick-fans are so optismistic that we use our imagination each offseason over Zekes trades or signings of a veteran player (we) thinking only the best of how this Player will help us WIN. Dedecaded-FANS we are.

    Since Zeke arrived his imagination of a Starting-5 Unit has been
    PG-Norris-Marbury-Francis,
    SG-Penny-Crawford,
    SF-Tim Thomas-Q.Richardson-Jalen Rose-Jefferies,
    PF-Malik Rose-Taylor-Zack,
    C-James-Curry.
    All these players were traded for or signed to the MAX MLE.
    Zeke was given the right tools ($$$) to get one decent Player for every Position.
    Alot of NBA G.M.s wish they had half the priviledge that Isiah Thomas has with the Knicks.

    Jamal Crawford showed the NBA his worth playing for the Chicago Bulls.
    The Bulls ran their entire offense around PG-Jamal Crawford. The Bulls lost season after season.
    Jamal Crawford was only worth the Max MLE. And thats all I would have offered him. If the Bulls would have matched that offer to keep Crawford they never would have made it to the playoffs with Crawford in their lineup (Ben Gordon would'nt have been given the chance to WIN so many last quarter games).

    For what he have going inside, Crawford fits the team just fine. Are there better players at his position in the league? For sure. But he is not a bum. By no means is he that. And he is more than capable of playing well on this team. He is not the problem.

    Secondly, Crawford and Gordon never played on the same team.

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    Isn't Crawford a little old in his years in the NBA to still be using the "p" word..."potential" you say that about a guy who was less than 4 years into the league....he's entering his what 7th, 8th?

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    Originally Posted by KnicksFan4Realz
    Isn't Crawford a little old in his years in the NBA to still be using the "p" word..."potential" you say that about a guy who was less than 4 years into the league....he's entering his what 7th, 8th?
    well he supposedly only play 2 years of high school basketball and 1 year of college basketball but thats not really an excuse, but the fact some of ya make it seem jamal is a bum is pathetic like comparing em to jamey caroll and matt barrnes is outragoues

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    I am willing to trade Crawford in an instant, but not for Matt Carrol or Matt Barnes. Do you see how Matt Barnes is searching and searching for a team to pick him up in his free agent year, there is a reason why those players have been on so many teams, its because they are role players. They just happen to have good years, that **** happens, that does not mean those guys are better than Crawford... not in the least.

    Crawford is a talent, and it surely surely must be noted that he has not had the same coach for 2 consecutive seasons as a Knick. I know some people will say so what, but that is an important issue. The knicks of the 90s never got to be a sucessful team until Pat Riley came and put some stability in the orginization. This is an important issue that should not be glossed over. Now with Zeke coming back to the bench this will give Craw his first consecutive seasons with the same coach with the same ideas and plays and having his role defined (unless of course he is traded b4 that time).

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    let's not **** on our own just cuz there's better out there... crawford has all star potential... but he needs to smarten up... i would only move him if we got a money scorer in return (kapono, mo peterson)...

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    Originally Posted by KnicksFan4Realz
    Isn't Crawford a little old in his years in the NBA to still be using the "p" word..."potential" you say that about a guy who was less than 4 years into the league....he's entering his what 7th, 8th?
    I think crawford is good player. There are only 2 other players in the nba with more game winning shots the last 2 seasons than crawford. Thats clutch.
    I think he is best suited to be a back up to either the PG or SG. Hes too inconsistant when starting.. when LB made him his 6th man, jamal played the best of his career. Last yr, IT gave jamal full confidence and jamal regressed back to his chucking up fade away 3's all game.
    Make him come off the bench. Collins can play well next to marbury, that will also help our perimter D, and can have steph play off the ball for a lil bit. since marbury improved his shooting from 3 last yr, this is could work.

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