Again, I wonder which Knicks team you watched last year. Did Curry's numbers go up when Jamal went down? No, he did less, and teams made others do more. I wonder why? Maybe becuase they actually RESPECT Jamal's ability from the outside even though he can at times be streaky. The fact that he is so streaky garners respect as if he was NOT streaky. The sheer fact he can score 20 in a quarter before you know it scares teams enough to stretch the defense. No one is leaving him wide open. When does that happen? So again, tell me the need to get a one trick pony like Matt Carrol who can do nothing when a defender gets on him? Same for Barnes? That is why they don't get the huge money, because they can't defend, or put the ball on the floor. So that means they NEED to have other players around them to succeed at what they do best. Right now, on this Knicks team right now, Matt Carrol would STILL BE CRAWFORD'S BACKUP. TODAY. They press steph, who are you passing too? Carrol? They put Bowen on Carrol, is he scoring? Maybe if they double Eddie with Bowen. If not... Carrol gives you nothing. Can't go to the rim, no athleticism. Jump-shooter. Glorified Steve Kerr... IF THAT.
The Cavs just got to the finals with a broken down Hughes and someone named Boobie along with Lebron. Who can REALLY shoot out of those 3? Now no one is underating having a great shooter at the 2... But I think you are overrating the need, especially on this team to have a great one.
They have enough solid shooters to space the floor for Curry. When those solid shooters went down ( Q, Crawford, Nate for a bit ) All the sudden so did our scoring and effectiveness on offense. So that tells me despite how you feel personally about the SG on the team, the LEAGUE feels differently because they, unlike you respected the shooters we had. Enough to less frequently double a man in the middle no one can gaurd one on one.
Far as triple teams are concerned, with no illegal defense and no perimeter threats, they certainly did triple Curry.
Vs Orlando late in the season, I believe we lost by a point late, they freuqently had Battie in front, Dwight in back, and whoever the gaurd was opposite Steph, that player lagged off to make the entry pass tough. Basically daring Balkman, Collins, Rose, Hurt Francis or the like to shoot a long J. Battie, Howard and a g or forward... Yea... that's 3 people on one. Go back and watch some late tapes and see how they shaded their defenses the last 10 games or so to have two on Curry even without the ball, and bring the third defender down.
And I was at a lot of these games, so I seen the angles the tv don't show...
ummmmmm... let's remember the squad we had when we signed Mal...
Penny Hardaway, Allan Houston, Jamal Crawford, Jermaine Jackson
Maurice Taylor, Malik Rose, JYD, Butler, Sweetney
Tim Thomas, Ariza
Bruno Sundov, K. Thomas
remember, we got Mal to be H20's back up yall... think about it as a GM... H20 is 33... recovering from knee surgery and prolly retiring soon... this kid in Chi just had a monster year and you've been following him for a few years now... perfect scenario is the kid learns the art of the SG from H20 and becomes his replacement when he isn't effective...
H20 got hurt... and Mal was our most talented substitute... we didn't have a team that could survive with Caroll or Barnes at the 2... Mal's talents were supposed to be honed with H20's mentoring... but that didn't happen and here were are almost 4 years later with Craw stagnant... his signing was similar to the JJ13 (but far better from a basketball perspective) in that way... he filled a desperate need we had... but things didn't pan out the way we expected them to...
i think we're overlooking the key elements Craw brings to the table in our rush to ship him out... I would only trade him away if we got an offensive facilitator (Brevin Knight) and a relyable scorer (think Steve Kerr, John Paxson type)... since Mal is good at both but not good enough to make a differnce... otherwise... I say keep him since he has the best chemisty with Curry on the team (for real... even Eddy's demeanor changed after Mal was hurt) and he is the most willing to take the game winning shot...
and everyone clamoring for stevenson... did you see how brightly he shined in the playoffs? i thought so...
I like Jamal. He is the type of guard you need in the today's NBA because has the skills to play either the 1 or the 2 when needed. He is not a pure shooter but how many pure shooters are out there anymore. He more than makes up for his streak shooting with his ability to slash and score in the paint. Jamal is probably the most complete player on the team and I think he still has potential to get better. Remember he played very little college ball before he went pro. Really liked him here in Chicago and was really glad we picked him up. Definately a keeper in my book.
Alot pure shooters in the NBA. From Miller, Allen, Dirk, Nash, Redd, Bibby, Kapano, Peja, Raja, Lewis, Brent Barry, Barbosa, Krover, etc. I would even put guys like Kobe and Arenas on there, they can hit from anywhere in the court, the only problem is their shot selection. What seperates them from Jamal is their superior ability and talent, and slashing and driving to the paint, something Crawford rarely does.
The problem is, Crawford doesn't slash or score in the paint.
Crawford is the most one dimensional player on this team, I laughed when you said he's the most complete player for the New York Knicks.
Crawford is a NBA veteran already, no more potential talk. Yes he can get better, but he was an over hyped player.
This is the same guy who said Marbury isn't even worthy to be on the Knicks, but "Jamal" is a keeper, lmao.
Last edited by metrocard; Jul 23, 2007 at 06:23.
Someone really needs to clarify make others better. Becuase no matter how gifted a player is, if the others around him suck, his team, will in turn suck.
Steve Nash gets those assist based on the system being based around him, and the players around him FINISH what he starts. If they sucked, so would his numbers.
The fact that Steph has the career avg in points and assist that he does while not playing significant time with a player on his level speaks volumes about his ability as a player.
Kidd Played with Mash and Jackson along with himself a few years. In NJ the east was so weak it was tailor made for the success they had with those horses he ran with. And now he has Vince and Jefferson, along with other solid players.
The one year Steph had players on his level per say, they won 53 games in the west. Then the next year Stoudamire gets hurt.
Then he gets traded to NY and he again is the only good player on the team due to Al's injury. So again, his whole career he has been the best player on his team by far. Kidd, Nash, Billups, Parker all those guys have had equal, or better talent around them while they were winning those years.
That is why this is the year Steph must show up. Because the talent around him NOW is more than capable of performing to his level. NOW HE WILL NOT GET A PASS. He has a center, pf and gaurds galore to finish what he starts. No reason to think he should not be close to or at double digit assist for the season.
I for one am a Steph fan, and I hope... Lemme say I EXPECT him to avg no less than 10 assist a game, 3.5-4 boards and game and about 11-14 ppg. No reason he should not coming off his most unselfish season, and what he has around him. And the Knicks better make the playoffs. And not just make em, make noise in em with this team. No excuses.
I'm not saying he never had 3 defenders on him. I'm Just saying he wasn't triple teamed as a game plan. You plan two double team a player. very rarely do you triple team, unless it's a mix up or important part of game. Even jerome james would get tripled I if the games tied and he has ball in the paint? Defenses tend to throw the kitchen sink at players in the paint whenthe games on the line.
I think you over look the elements Crawford brings to the game. He has high turnovers,(last year career High 2.75TO per game. So much for making good decisions.) Takes a lot of shots away from other players on our team. Sure he's not afraid to take the tough shot, at end of game, with two or three guys on him, No he doesn't really pass when he should. All year he had Q, nate and steph(and fransis) out there. None of them are scared of the big shot. A regular shooting guard can bring every thing crawfish does. A point I make in this post is how on defense the knicks got beat by the three. No Name shooters, going for career highs against knicks. The league loves the three. We need an answer for that. We need to beable to crush a ralley with a dagger 3, or finish a ralley with a deadly 3. With a little more consistency.
The cavs, so they don't have damon jones, the 3 point specialist PG. They have no 3point shooting? James, never takes 3's. Your blind man? They also had david wesly?
Curry was tired at end of season because he's fat, and the knicks had no shooting guards with Q and Jamaal out. Yeah of course you triple curry in the paint at the end of a game, thats close. You don't want to give up easy basket. But he did not regularly draw triple teams during season, only situational. Heck if nate robison got the ball in the paint with only a couple ticks left and the other team with a 1-2pt lead, theyd triple him? Does that mean he's triple teamed as a team strategy for every game? No it means the situation called for it. Also Curry was double with or without crawford in the game. Any NBA guard can dump the ball into a big man and any NBA guard should be able to catch a pass and be a triple threat.
The thing that the detractors of Jamal Crawford seem to be missing, is the fact that, whatever his limitations are or presumed to be I should say, he still makes the team better. In the end that is what counts. So yea, there are other 2's which are better than Crawford, but when I hear names like Barnes, Carrol, Korver and the like, compared to Craw, that is just ridiculous. Those guys are not better than Crawford whatsoever. Yes he takes bad shots at times, but so do a lot of Shooting Guards, they are suppose to SHOOT! ..
Jzero, no way in hell you convincing anyone with half a brain Matt Carrol plays defense. I guess it's not possible for him to have a good day and Jamal have a bad day? Secondly, for as good as you say he is, he fg is only 3 points higher than Jamals and JC shoots a lot more.
Who says, I wonder if so and so will score on Matt Carrol today? Or Barnes? These guys don't play d. But unlike Jamal Carrol can afford his guy to get by him because Okefor DOES play d. That is the real problem with the Knicks defense is no intimidation up front. And that more than anything needs to change. How many times did a big set a pick and Curry not play help d when the gaurd flashed to the paint or was open from 3? Or how many times did a big set a pick and Curry watch that same little gaurd lay him up? It's not all on the gaurds. I seen many times Steph has his man and here comes a pick and now his man is wide open and scores. Plenty. Not saying JC is Artest, but a lot of times the gaurds took the blame for the Bigs being unaware. Curry, Frye and Lee are all stupid off picks. If you dont help these gaurds will score.
Carrol is so good on both ends, they gave him money to stay, and then made him a bench warmer by trading for Richardson. How bout that.
And again far as triple teams go. TEAMS... not one, but ALL them teams knew no one could shoot from the perimeter save Steph and Nate. Collins, Balkman Malik, these guys were in the game same time
So once Steph aint have the rock, it was hit or miss from everyone else perimeter wise. That is why they never even paid those other guys much attention. Lived with whatever they hit from deep but would not let Curry beat them. Over and over and over and over down the stretch teams would start by Fronting Curry, The gaurd with the ball, his man would basically dare him to shoot, and then on the pass, here comes the other big on Curry. Constantly when the play was called for him. Many teams did this. And why would that not be the game plan? NO ONE ON THE TEAM CAN SHOOT LOL!!!! Make them beat you!
I dont know... If I was a coach that would be in my game plan.
I know Guards are suppose to shoot! but they are suppose to do it well!!!
Key stat he ranked in the bottom of FG% and in the bottom of 3pt FG%. He only avged 17ppg, due to his number of attempts. Before he got hurt the only person on the team who had more shots then him was curry. I'd much rather see Q shooting or Marbury. other SG who take that many shots, avg like 20ppg. Because they hit more shots! Because their FG% is way better.