the way these two teams are put together right now the knicks can beat the celtics in the regular season, in the first round, in the second round, in the conference finals... the way these two teams are put together right now, hell yeah give us the celtics any day or night of any season...
Any one going to the "Welcome to NY" party for Zach??? lol
Saw it and had to post!
Zach + Kim = Herpes, HIV and Gonnorhea! lol Now that's reason to press the panic button!!!
Kim Kardashian will probably get passed like the dutchie or spent like grocery money. I heard she likes that dark meat. Homegirl has a fat booty though!!(Did anyone see that Ray J video?) Of DJ Clue is alive. He produced stuff on Fabolous and Jay-Z latest albums.
Last edited by dr.carpy; Aug 01, 2007 at 01:41.
ROFL, you said homegirl. I haven't heard that **** in ages.
dr.carpy, no one is trying to be funny. Can you be more open minded about this? I understand Boston will take time to gel, because chemistry is very imported. But you need to consider the following.
Ray Allen and Garnett aren't you underachieving players. They're some of the most productive players in the league, now playing with another extremely productive player at his position.
Allen and Garnett aren't the most selfish superstars either, so the vision and opportunity is wide open for Boston, its just a matter if they stay healthy or not. Garnett has a good history of staying healthy.
No one in the east is going to match up with the likes of Garnett. He's an all NBA defender, MVP, can play basically all positions. Garnett and Pierce would be been nasty alone, now Ray Allen? You can't double team all these guys at once, so one of them is going to be open or going one on one with someone, so it works out every possible way.
Carpy, Orlando are a half court team too, whats your point? They didn't do **** in the playoffs. Its not about being a half court team.
Defense and Turnovers are much more important Warriors took alot of risk on offense and payed for it if they weren't hot. Spurs comit the least ammount of errors and play the most consistant D, therefor they're rewarded.
Our defense is a little bit of improved, but still poor with a front court of Randolph and Curry, no post defense, and Crawford getting 35+ minutes.
With an addition of Artest would be a great addition, cause he could play defense many different ways; help defense or man to man in the post or perimeter. He will make our defense very good. He can't guard all 5 guys, but he could shut down alot of guys in the league, which is a huge plus. I also expect alot from Balman, Collins and even David Lee to step it up defensively. I've seen no signs from Curry or Randolph ever being average to good defenders, since they put 95% of their energy into their offense, similar to how Ben Wallace puts 95% of his energy on his defense.
Toons, scoring is irrevelant when you turn the ball over alot and play defense.
You said:
"ok, the C's got ray allen, we have crawford, they have paul, we have Q., they have KG, we have randolph"
LMAO, thats just terrible. You pointed out the huge gap between them and us.
Celtics have no depth, correct. What bench did the lakers have? slava medvedenko and samaki walker? So who gives a crap. Rajon Rando is an PG who does everything besides shoot, have you seen him play? Perkins is an average player at best, but it doesn't matter. You act like Celtics have NBDL players starting with these 3. Having 5 guys who can score 20 points a game at each position doesn't win you games.
But they have 3 superstars, and we don't. Plus, Big Baby Leon Powe and Tony Allen can be decent reserves if given the chance.
In my opinion, you look at their top 6 players (Rondo, Ray Allen, Pierce, Garnett, Perkins, with Tony Allen off the bench), and it just fits so well. They have plenty of good backups at the power forward position (Leon Powe among them - solid defender, rebounder). They only really need one or two more bench players to have an elite eight or nine man rotation.
I'm honestly not all that confident in Crawford's and Q-Rich's health either, they only played half a season. If those guys go down, what will our bench look like too? IF IF IF IF IF IF, we don't know, stop with the IFs it doesn't really prove any facts.
LJ4ptplay, Knicks will make the playoffs. I hope.
highesthigh, pass that roach man. I kinda figured it out already by your screenname.
KG is mad underrated.
Last edited by metrocard; Aug 01, 2007 at 06:53.
Thank You Starks, well said.
We Knick-Fans are going to hate the Celtics ten times more when we see them walk through alot of teams beating them by 20 or more points.
The Role-Players are out their and want in on the Celtics empty roster spots to make a name for themselves.
These Guys are HUNGRY!!!
I watched the press conference. I'm sure most people did. You know what I saw. The accident that waiting to happen. KG stole the thunder, while the other guys (WOW! who would ever think of Shuttlesworth and PDuece as others?) sat there. And now comes there real question, whose ego will get to them first. Pierce was dubbed the savior, couldn't get it done. Look at Phoenix, they have a big three, the were trying to move the most versatile piece in Shawn Marion this offseason. Why? Ego. They don't get along as much there anymore.
My point is about half court based teams are that they ultimately win in the finals. Look at 1999 till now. Look at the winning teams and the style of play and see if there a common denominator. 1999 Spurs (Half Court Team Duncan & Robinson), 2000-2002 Lakers (Half Court Team Shaq), 2003 San Antonio (Half Court Team Duncan), 2004 Detroit (Half Court Team) 2005 San Antonio (Half Court Team), 2006 Miami Heat (Half Court Team) and finally again 2007 San Antonio (Half Court Team). So us being a half court based team that runs when given opportunity makes us contender more than pretender. If we use that to our advantage. That's my point. I have reread my posts and I did read any major ifs. The Knicks will win. They'll be in the playoffs. That's my opinion.
The Celtics have a big 3 with some big ifs. If they stay healthty. If Ray & Tony Allen are/stay healthty. If they get enough complimentary role players. If Doc Rivers can keep the egos in check. If these players in garnett especially can handle the sometimes overtly racist media of Massachusetts. That was KG's drawback before, and that hasn't changed. Nothing in life is a given. So for all the posts stating that all is doom and gloom. RELAX Y'ALL! The season hasn't started. Whine to me if we start 0-7. Other than that, get outside and enjoy the summer. This stuff will work itself out regardless. Boston has 54.4Mil in 3 players. Now lets see who they bring in. You may get 60pts out of the big 3, but they'll need at least another 35PPG from somewhere. The guys left over Brandon Wallace, Rajon Rondo, Leon Powe, Kendrick Perkins, Gabe Pruitt and Glen (Fatbaby...oops, Big Baby ) Davis ( a poor man's crack headed version of Eddy Curry or Tractor Traylor Pt.2 or the remix whatever you want). Those cats might get 35 points versus me, but I'm not ballin in the L. They put no fear in my heart. Till the season starts, consider my panic button broken.
the east will dominate next year especially Atlantic division....
“The Eastern Conference has gotten better," Garnett said when asked if he thought the Celtics were the favorite. "I wouldn’t go that far and say we’re the team to beat. We have things to prove. We have to work on chemistry.”
Garnett clearly knows it will take time. So why is everyone here so sure the Celtics are the Number One seed? Everything takes time. They have to go to camp, so do the Knicks. If the Knicks work hard, We be near the top of the East.
They asked him about 28 min in the conference are they the team to beat. He did not say that, and named the teams that have gotten better in his opinion. First team out the box.... NYK. Media gets hyped over names, the players in the league respect the players they play night in and out on a diff basis. The Knicks don't have the "NAMES" That the Celtics have, But the talent is similar in ways in every spot of their big names. And where they will add role players, the Knicks guys pretty much chew up and swallow what they'd have ( Curry and Steph ). I love KG, I cannot say however he spits up and swallows Zach. Even had Zach been in Portland still. KG would not say that. One could say Pierce spits out and swallows Q. Possibly even Allen and JC. I personally don't think Allen is a great deal better than Crawford at this point in his career, but he is still a better player.
That said, everyone is falsely claiming that all they'd need is to add role players to their team and bench... But the Knicks have guys who have come in off their bench and started and played LIKE STARTERS! (Lee, Balkman, Collins)
Now, if the Knicks get Artest and manage to keep Lee and Balkman ( which I still think will happen ) Now you talk about moving Q to the bench, Lee and Balkman joining him there. What three guys off the bench in the east would be better than those? It is like having 3 extra starters. That would likely mean we'd keep Collins as well to backup Steph. So we'd add an even better defender and rebounder off the bench at pg as well.
In the unlikely event we'd have to part with Lee or Balkman ( which I doubt because of Ron's suspension and pending fa'cy next year ) We'd still have more than enough off the bench to compensate for what we lose in Lee or Balkman. Means we'd still have Chandler who plays defense and has every bit the athleticism of either Lee and Balkman and is probably every bit as good or better a shooter right now than both. And Isaiah has no problem playing rookies to help them grow.
The Knicks are in a much better spot than the Celtics. And Im personally glad the Celtics did this. This means everyone will expect the Knicks to finish last. Even less pressure on the team now.
This all goes back to what I said about the Heat 7 years ago. The point is on paper they looked like a championship team but it didn't pan out that way until they got Shaq and Wade. On paper the Celtics look like the Beast of the east but Carpy's right. It will take time. As a basketball fan I like the trade. I know the Celtics, Knicks and 76ers should always compete. It's tradition and it's good for the league. As a Knicks fan I want every one else to suck worse than we do but that's not reality. Celtics are a contender. I'd only worry about Paul's ego. He's had the team on his back for years and he's not the man any more. Ray should be fine.
You honestly believe that the defending Eastern Conference Champions will not make the playoffs and the Knicks will? And the Wizards were one the leagues hottest teams until they got killed with injuries. The only teams that I can think of that might not make it this year are Toronto and Orlando or Miami. It aint going to be easy.
A nice excerpt from an espn article today refering to the Boston Trio
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In August 1996, when the Rockets mortgaged their future by trading Sam Cassell and Robert Horry to the Suns for Charles Barkley, teamed the Chuckster with Hakeem Olajuwon and Clyde Drexler and crossed their fingers that a paltry supporting cast (basically, Eddie Johnson, Mario Elie and a gigantic hole at point guard) wouldn't sink them. Although Dream and Glide already had won titles, their careers were at a similar point as the KG-Pierce-Allen trio -- each (including Barkley) had peaked as impact players, but each had something left in his tank. Dream averaged a 23 points and 9 rebounds, Barkley recorded 19-13.5, Drexler chipped in with an 18-6-6, and the Rockets won 57 games and came within two victories of the '97 Finals, losing to the Jazz for one reason: Rookie point guard Matt Maloney was absolutely eviscerated by John Stockton. This was like watching Frankie Williams get destroyed by Roddy Piper on Piper's Pit, only if it happened for six straight games over the course of two weeks. That's why they lost.
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