I keep hearing about we got more talent, more talent and more talent. To quote one of Kevin Durant's favorite sayings "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard"
i have a question...if zeke traded ariza, penny and frye for zach randolph, dickau and fred jones....would you guys call that a good trade or a bad trade? because essentially that is what happened....we got francis for penny and ariza, and we got zach, dickau, jones or frye and francis.....i dont see how you guys can badmouth isiah for these players who we gave up chicken **** for...
What we all know for sure about Zack Randolph is that as soon as you pass him the ball he will force up a shot rather than pass the ball backout 9 out of every 10 times just like Eddy Curry. Meanning the Knicks added another "One on One" offensive player on the team like Curry, Crawford, and Marbury. So the Knicks will get doubled and trippled team as soon as one of these players receive the ball because they are not used to passing the ball or cutting to the basket without the ball, they are considered "Stand-Still-Players" waiting for the pass.
Channing Frye & Trevor Ariza meshing alongside each other off the bench is a great pair to have as a weapon on bothsides of the court as long as Curry is not on the court with them. Curry Low-Post game never fit well alongside Channing Frye with Coach Larry Brown that is why he played C-Jackie Butler & David Lee alongside of Channing Frye during their Rookie season to get a well performance from the Knicks frontcourt.
Coach Isiah Thomas forced all of Channing Frye Playingtime in the 2006-7 season alongside of Eddy Curry which never worked out from the first game of the season to the last game of the season.
The truth be said, The Knicks had a great 2nd Unit of Raw talented athletic Rookies in C-Jackie Butler, PF-Frye, SF-Lee, SF/SG-Ariza, and PG-Nate that could've been molded within the last two seasons because they all LUV playing together as a unit. The above 5-players were all CHEAP Players getting close to the NBA Minimum Salary.
The Knicks high Salary Players Marbury, Crawford, Penny, Q.Richardson, Malik Rose, Davis, James, and Curry could not make up a decent STARTING-5-Unit to save their lives or a 8-Man rotation to play at a 500% level (with Hall of Fame Coach Larry Brown).
How are we the best rebounding team if the season didn't even start? We have a good chance of being the best, but let the season start.
Randolph isn't a help defender or a one on one defender, he's bad as a defender Curry is.
The answer to your the question you failed to answer is...
Randolph will never help Curry with his defensive woes.
So we have to hope Curry becomes a better defender or our perimeter defense is so good, we don't have to worry about Curry defender(Get Artest.)
We were ranked 20th in the NBA at team defense. The turnovers and soft defense in the paint played a huge factor. Randolph is known for a guy who can give your team turnovers and not be a defensive factor in the paint. Which is why I stand by my point of Randolph not helping us defensively, just giving us another scoring option.
You're actually right, rebounding help. Imagine having poor rebounders on this roster. We would of been ranked LAST in the NBA in defense. So I totally understand your point of rebounding helps. Balkman or Lee are superior rebounders compared to Zach, so its not like Zach is filling any gaps. All I see is Zach taking minutes from Lee and Balkman, the two most important Knicks on this roster. People will realize that this season, and should of realized that our recent season.
Great overall post though, glad we came to agree on mostly everything.
Forget the if's brother. It is what it is, just accept it. We just have to wait and see.
Larry Brown played Jackie Butler cuz LB was friends with Jackie's agent... he tried to get his numbers inflated at the expense of NY... notice how many teams were knocking down his door after that season? He was last seen collecting a check on SA's bench... At least Dyess and Mohammed got significant PT...
I'm with DonChris on this one... Zach's emergence was the reason Sheed got traded... He never had help and now should be playing a lot better with his Knick teammates next season... 23 and 10 doesn't happen by accident...
Zeke's offense gets the bigs the ball. Did it in Indy with Oneal and Miller, did it last year with Curry, Frye and Lee (contrary to what you are saying) Frye Got his shots. He was just so scared, he failed to put it in. Plus his lack of overall game. Other than a Jumpshot he is a crap shoot. Not even a headfake and dribble game. Post game non existant. Zach and Curry will share the load and share it well.
Everyone Zeke has Drafted since Ariza is better than him. What are you talking about?
Zach fills our gap at power foward!
I can't take anything away from Lee and Balkman but they are not the most valuable players. They aren't franchise players but the are valuable. They do the grunt work and that's what the Knicks need right now. What I don't get is posters that think the Francis trade was bad but think getting Randolph was a bad move as well. You can't have it both ways. Was getting Francis a good thing or not? If it was a bad move then shipping him off was a good move right? This isn't targeted to any one poster. I just want to point out the illogical bickering that is taking place here.
Metro is correct. Turn overs was an issue last year and will need to be addressed.