Seriously dude, if you never have anything relevant AND positive to say, just save yourself the trouble, go buy a nice fresh KG jersey and join a celtics forum.
Shandon Anderson: reason being he was used as trade bait during the offseason, which to me says that he wanted to be apart of the team and was insulted by the GM wanting to trade him
Maurice Taylor: Bad attitude, a lot of his frustration was from Larry Browns hot and cold relationship was more the cause of his buyout, not to mention the Knicks wanted to buy him out he never asked to be
Jalen Rose: Just the wrong place at the wrong time, crowded backcourt of younger more promising players
Steve Francis: Hated New York, but has since the buyout has said that he has no bad feelings towards Zeke or the Knicks
And I'd like to see you argue this point....Malik Rose a player who has won championships has said in the past that he has too much respect for Zeke to ask to be traded, and he has also said he belives in where the team is going and wants to be apart of it.
Jermaine Oneal Ron Artest (just to name a couple) have all state how much they like Zeke
So maybe Zeke has had more buyouts than any other Knick GM, but I don't see how you blame them on Isiah. I guess I can give you Shandon Anderson for not understanding that players get traded from teams they want to be on all the time.
You did not watch the Knicks last 5 games before the Denver Brawl so you should have no comment.
You sound like you like a 33 WIN Season for three season straight...
what winning players are you talking about on the knicks team? how do you know what games I watched?
How do you KNOW Randolph and Curry will mesh? For you to question anyone that as if you know the answer is funny, because thats a question that can go both ways.
What we know is that Randolph is a horrid defender. Thats not a positive since we don't have any interior defense. Thats a fact that is undisputable.
We also know Randolph is a 20 ppg scorer who's an isolation player. That means more one on one ball domination than team ball rotation. This is what seperates us from great teams like Detroit, San Antonio and Phoneix. They move the ball around effectively. Having a 20 ppg scorer at each position doesn't really help when no one is passing.
Lets think of exercising. What Isiah is doing is isolation exercises. Isiah did 5 sets of 12 dumbbell curls on a daily basis. He's only working out one part of the body. What about the legs, back or core, or just a full body work out? We could say the same about our interior defense, ball movement, and turnovers. Isiah isn't working out or improving the Knicks at these things he has ignored his time as a GM; which is the main reason why we have so many holes in our team. He's just working out the same thing over and over. His plan has failed him, but yet he continues to choose the same path of isolation one on one players; expecting success. 20-30 wins isn't success. I don't see Randolph as a guy known for winning, defense and being the vocal point of a great offense; Blazers had one of the worst offenses in the NBA.
Knicks should of been a 40 win team the last season if Isiah didn't have so many blunders as a GM.
Whats good with all the bashing and calling people stupid? It isn't really helping your argument at all; actually its dumbing down your defense.
Why aren't you guys upset at Isiah for ignoring out weaknesses and keeping us from being a good team? You get upset at people who disapprove of Isiah ignoring the weaknesses each season because you believe they're haters; which shows more personal bias than logic.
Props to Kiyaman to not resorting to your immaturity.
i didnt say that zach and curry are gonna mesh just that we dont know that they wont, im just tired of people bashing especially when we havent even played a game with our new team yet. obviously isiah has made some dumb moves and im not defending them but if youre a knick fan at least have some optimism that something will work before you jump to bashing it. i am upset that isiah isnt improving the team but realistically how many moves can he make. i dont give him a free ride but considering the talented players tha we do have and the fact that we dont have many trading pieces we are willing to part with, theres not much more he can do short of cut players (which im not opposed to). hopefully an artest move will come soon after the 2 month wait on the new guys. i never called him stupid, just his point about the IL. i did call him negative and i stand by that.
All of the Sports commentators did not believe that Channing Frye would've been offered the chance this offseason to be on the "Select Team", because they all quoted, "at the end of last season Channing Frye was on the IR list". ??????
Another sour note is the position Channing Frye has been playing on the "Select Team" that alot of members in this forum wanted Coach Zeke to play Frye at this season, which is the Center Position as Eddy Curry backup since the two was not doing so well together on the court.
Channing Frye has been playing well as a Defensive Center on the "Select Team" this offseason. Its bad when we Knick-Fans know that Frye playingtime this past season he was BARRED from playing in the paint.
I do not know how well the Curry & Zach Tandem will be together (so I say nothing) however, I have become tired of guessing and being optimistic each offseason with President Isiah Thomas at the Helm of eveything and the end conclusion is another 33 WIN Season.
What I do know (as Pure-Fact) is how well "Curry & Lee" have done together in the past as STARTERS, and I would take my chance with that as the STARTERS of this season, and work Zach into the starting lineup as the season goes along.
We as Knick-Fans should know what to expect from the Curry & Lee Starting lineup by now. And the Marbury & Crawford starting backcourt. What we are hoping for is a Healthy SF-Q.Richardson on the court with the above four players to give some leadership playingtime at the start of each game vs the different NBA teams Starters night after night.
We are clueless of the Curry & Zach starting lineup, plus this offseason we been speaking on theory, on guessing offense, and being optimistic about how well the Curry & Zach offensive lineup will do. It's all good but .....
there is no PURE-FACTS about the Curry & Zach Frontcourt lineup.
Coach Larry Brown rarely put Curry & Frye on the court together in midseason, Frye played the majority of his playingtime alongside C-Jackie Butler, or PF-Taylor, or PF-Lee, untill he got injured (that is why he Bulked-up last offseason). Coach Zeke was guessing last offseason when he put Curry & Frye as STARTERS in the regular season (The two looked lost together on who will get the defensive rebound the entire season). All season long I kept wondering why did'nt Curry & Frye play in any pickup games or scrimmage games together in the offseason to get their stuff together?
I read a ton of posts. I can honestly say that I get really tired of hearing how bad Eddy Curry was as a defender. Is there somethng to be desired? Sure. Eddy will bring more intesity cause he knows he has to. Unless you know Isiah injured David Lee and Jamal Crawford and our best overall player in Q Richardson. He used the horses he had. The KNicks would have been better with the three aforementioned players on the floor as opposed to sitting and watching. So for anyone to say the injuries weren't the biggest problem last year, you probably didn't watch a game.
pyotrveliky: You came out guns blazin' dog. I like what you have to say (except the cursing, I know you're frustrated.) Some posters here are really jocking Boston hard. It's embarassing. We've got a better overall team. I wish some folks would go join the Boston forum too. They seem to have more positives things to say about them than us.
In closing, Isiah only oversight is thinking his guards would help play interior defense the way he and Joe Dumars did. The used stay on their mans outside and force guys in towards the bigs. The Knicks guards haven't always held up their end of this. So recognize, Interior defense isn't about ZBo and Eddy. It's the responsibility of the 15 Men that will don the Orange and Blue this year.
Excellent point, interior D is not all about Curry and Z-Bo...it's about PG, SG, and the SF also. If the perimeter plays consistent D then Curry and Z-Bo will change shots. Curry doesn't block many shots but he changes 3-5 a game. And Z-Bo will have to step up also...otherwise he will feel that NY pressure. Can't wait til the season starts...can't come soon enough.
i agree that a curry frye lineup would help them compliment each other well. frye is fast and athletic enough to help curry weak side on d and to get the defensive rebounds. i also wouldnt mind him as backup center and think that wasnt a bad role for him. most of the bruisers in the league other than like shaq play pf anyway.
im sorry for cursing but as dr. carpy said i just get tired of the negativity. obviously the past decade has been frustrating but does being pessimistic and negative help make it any better? my glasses arent totally rose-shaded and I am quick to acknowledge the many mistakes management has made, but give them some faith. the thing with lee and z-bo playing time - if isiah was committed to playing lee as a starter he never would have gone after randolph unless he really just wanted to get rid of francis and frye (which is a possibility). however, do you think that for all the money were gonna be paying randolph were not gonna start him and let him become a distratction? lee knows hes not a superstar yet and is humble enough to be able to take the backseat role again and make the most of his playing time.
You guys really need to post something more interesting than the coach sucks. We get it already, we see it on every post. Can any one deny that this is a better team under Thomas? Think about the question before you answer. Marbury has matured and become an all around better player on both ends. Every interview I've seen and report that I've read all indicate that the players want to play in NY and want to play for Thomas. Even Curry said he would request a trade if Thomas were fired. That aside the topic is can Curry and Randolph mesh. This is totally different then Marbury/Francis being that Zach and Eddie play different positions. It's what's known as a good problem.
You get tired, thats cool but we don't need to hear your crying, take it to the moderator.
Injuries are part of the NBA, get over it. The biggest problem in the team was turnovers and defense. You obviously don't watch the Knicks up there in Canada.
Kevin Garnett is better than our whole roster combined, I see Knicks making the playoffs, but no way the Knicks are a better team than the Celtics. Theres a difference to being positive and being an ignorant homer and being an out right hater(Raptor fans)
Us? You seem more like Isiah's lawyer than anything.
Celtics have more positives now, they added the best shooter and one of the scorers in the NBA in Ray Allen and a MVP player in Kevin Garnett. Randolph is a great all star talent, but isn't near the level of these players. They have 3 all stars who can dominate, we have none. Benches are overrated, all role players need to do is compliment the super stars. The Spurs or Suns don't have a serious bench but still manage to play at an elite level. Celtics are making the right moves now, and it PISSES real Knick fans off that other teams get better each season why we hope to make the 8th seed each other. If you're not annoyed by that, then you need to question your passion for the Knicks. I do not want to favor the CELTICS, but when you lay the facts every NBA fan see, theres no denying they're highly improved. I feel bad when I see NBA forums not put the Knicks in their top 8 in the playoffs. I realize they are alot of Knick haters, but it makes you question everything. Like I said, I see Knicks in the playoffs, not way ahead of the Celtics, Nets or Raptors. Damn, its gonna be hard to see 4 teams in the playoffs from the Atlantic right? Everyone said it was the worst division. Now its pretty solid.
What did you write in your last paragraph? Defense today and defense in the 90's are totally different now. You saying that about Isiah is basically you coming out here and saying Isiah is an idiot coach. Why would he do that, depend on Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford and Richardson to carry the defense on the perimeter? Marbury and Q-Rich are good defenders, no question, but theres going to be times that guards and big men will be in the paint. Randolph and Curry both are liabilities on defense and will defend in the INTERIOR, so its mostly about them. Its a PROBLEM, theres no denying that. I just hope both Curry and Randolph work on their defensive game and stop worrying so much about the touches they get on offense. Its best for the KNICKS. Isiah seems to focus on whats best for the individual player instead of the team. Example, all the isolation plays Isiah sets up for Crawford and Curry. They're just playing one on one mostly, and it hurts our offense that potentially can be a great offense. We should be averaging 102 points per game, but we only avg 97. Not enough ball movement.
Nobody knows if Curry and Randolph will mesh right now, and since this is New York, it's probable that a good portion of Knicks fans will only give them the first 10 games of the season to do it. I'll be patient, but I'm standing by the idea that if we're healthy, it's playoffs or bust. <O></O>
I'm not even calling Randolph a good defender, but let's try to approach this differently. Horrid defender? I'd like to think that he's a prideful defender, which means he tries at least. Call him whatever you want, but I find it difficult to question his work ethic. Zach has put so much effort into his improvement over the past few years that I can't imagine him not trying to give an effort on defense. We're talking about a 19th pick who entered the league at 270, managed to bring his weight down, worked hard enough to be recognized as the Most Improved Player in 03-04 and became a 20/10 guy this past season. <O></O>
Here's an interesting read:<O></O>
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This was written just before last season, and there are some points that stuck out (this is before a breakout season mind you): <O></O>
"I didn't know Zach when we started training together, but I can say now, without hesitation, that Randolph is the hardest working basketball player I have ever coached. He has practiced very hard to put himself into this position. And not just the basketball stuff," Bayno noted, "Zach has worked hard on his conditioning, running suicides (non-stop sprints the length of a basketball court and back), lifting weights and working on muscle building and leg strengthing exercises with Bob Medina (Trail Blazer conditioning coach)."
"Under Loyer's individual tutelage, Randolph also has become a better team defender -- a factor resulting from hours of study of game films. "This is one of the biggest things he's improved on," Loyer said.
Another element of Randolph's game that needs improvement is his passing out of the post when the double teams come. "That's the next stage of his development," McMillan said earlier this month.
Loyer noted the deficiency, too. "I think he can develop into a good passer, but first he must learn to have first and second thoughts when he gets the ball in the post."
<O>"Zach is starting to understand his role," Lucas says, "not only in playing the position, but also in learning how to be a team leader. This team is designed around his leadership and so far he's accepting the challenge. "He's also learned that conditioning is a big part of his success, so he came to us this fall in the best condition of his life,” Lucas added." </O>
I don't think that we're going to have a huge problem with sharing the ball next season, but I understand you concern with ball rotation. I think that Marbury is all for what's good for the team now, and I don't think that we'll have a problem with him. Even Steph said that he expects to get around 10 points per game. Brandon Roy was able to score nearly 17 points last season with Randolph at the helm of their offense, and Jarret Jack was able to average 12 ppg. Bring Q into the equation, and I think most of us can agree that he's not going to care much about whether his offensive stats will decrease. When it comes to Eddy, there's not nearly as much pressure for him to score, and the opposing defense can't always worry about just him anymore. <O></O>
Also, would you consider our team a poor interior defensive team last season?<O></O>
I think it's reasonable to say that the Knicks could have won 40 games last season. You have to factor in the timely injuries to David Lee, Quentin Richardson, and Stephon Marbury late, if not, throughout the year though. I'm not calling it an excuse, but you can't ignore that it affected us somewhat. <O></O>
Now in terms of offense, the Blazers were a very young team last season. Aside from Randolph and Roy, the Blazers had Jarrett Jack, Ime Udoka, and LaMarcus Aldridge. Minutes were so spread out, and with a team in rebuilding mode, you're not going to see an ideal fluid offense. Albeit, Roy and Jack were able to score double figures, but aside from that, not everyone else was accustomed to scoring.
I've been a fan for nearly 10 years, and I have seen our Knicks go from prominence to the abyss during the Scott Layden era. I want to see the team do well also, but I understand that it's a process.
I don't think the question regarding the supect defense of Curry and Randolph pertain to our defense in the paint, it's more of a concern that of perimeter players breaking down the defense and getting into the paint. Curry and Randolph aren't known much for shotblocking, but I do think they're capable of contesting shots.
<O>We had 7 (nearly 8 if you count Frye's 9.5 ppg) players average double figures last season. I'll acknowledge that there's somewhat of a catch because not all of these guys played a full season, but still. Although we do have a lot of capable scorers, I think the roles are starting to become more defined. I don't think Marbury, Crawford, or Richardson will complain about not scoring enough if we're winning. With Randolph, that takes a huge scoring load off of Curry and vice-versa. Also, we have the option of having at least one post presence on the floor for the full 48 minutes. </O>