One Day I can see David Lee

Kiyaman

Legend
Is this "PURE-FACT" or optimism?

"One day I can see David Lee" averaging 32 MPG, 18 pts, 10 rbds, 3 ast, 1 stl, and alot of great WINNING hustle that is not recordeed on the stat-sheet.

When we mention Player David Lee on this Knick Team it is not theory, optimism, or guessing, his performance is consistent and based on Pure-Facts. He can switch to all three Frontcourt positions (during any play) and play them well, his defense against Super-Star Players in the frontcourt position vs Center-Shaq, or PF-KG or Duncan, or SF-Pierce or Lebron maybe the same as the average defenders vs these Super-Star Players however, his offensive awareness in his passing-game, running-game, rebounding-game, and hustling for that lose-ball vs Frontcourt Super-Stars has made David Lee performance outstanding and the complimentary-player you want on the court at the "START and FINISH" of each game.
David Lee has become a player you can depend on to do the things that the next player won't.
And the next Player that is following in David Lee footsteps is 6.7 Renaldo Balkman as the Point-Foward who LUV to play trapping-defense in presuring the ball on oponents backcourt and frontcourt players bringing the ball up court. His outstanding performance switching positions as a SF rebouder and running the Point to beat the oponents Center & PF down the court on a fastbreak for a "3 on 1" or a "3 on 2" is another Pure-Fact that can be talked about.
YEAH! that's right, David Lee two season performances has made me a David Lee Fan!!!
 

The 1 and Only

Rotation player
Again...he plays poor defense at the 3. If you truly believe he can D up Lebron James (something T-Prince couldn't do) then you are crazy, insane, or just biased. Let's be a lil realistic here. I love David Lee too but his perimeter D is not up to par and he has slow feet for somebody at the 3. He is strictly a 4 right now, that could possibly change in the future
 

datruth

Your Best Bet is B Ez
Again...he plays poor defense at the 3. If you truly believe he can D up Lebron James (something T-Prince couldn't do) then you are crazy, insane, or just biased. Let's be a lil realistic here. I love David Lee too but his perimeter D is not up to par and he has slow feet for somebody at the 3. He is strictly a 4 right now, that could possibly change in the future

dats definately true
 

jzero29

Rotation player
hopefully he will improve his weaknesses and maintain his strengths

David lee can't stop lebron, but that doen't make hime a bad defender. Can any one player stop lebron? It took a whole san antonio team to stop him in the finals, and they didn't suceed every night either.
So I hope lee, improves his offense to where he's got a good shot and still brings the high energy dunks and tip ins that has made him so exciting to watch.
Defense, could still use work, but defense is a team effort, as the group improves. It makes individuals seem that much better on defense.
Lets see if he can step it up.
 
I think D.Lee could avg. 12-14 boards and 16 pts. a game but is a PF and should be left there the only time he should be guarding the SF or C would be in zone or help D. Lee will be a solid NBA pro with a few trips to the all-star games along the way. Maby not ever a bonafied super star but a player any coach or player would love to have on their team!
 

ShairanXIII

Rotation player
i see lee averaging closer to 15 and 15 with 32 mpg... i also expect to start seeing him average at least 1 bpg... his athleticism and timing are there... as exidenced by offensive rebounding ability... he's gonna be a beast no doubt...
 

pyotrveliky

Rotation player
yeah sure he can guard lebron about the same as an average defender, which as i think we all know is not very well at all. hes a 4, maybe can play some 5 in teh east depending on matchups (like rasho nesterovic or someone). depending on his playing time, but i think until he develops a stronger offensive game, if he gets 30 mins he would consistently put up about 15 pts, 10-12 rebounds, 2-3 assists, 1 steal and 1 block or so with like 1 turnover and countless hustle plays.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Again...he plays poor defense at the 3. If you truly believe he can D up Lebron James (something T-Prince couldn't do) then you are crazy, insane, or just biased. Let's be a lil realistic here. I love David Lee too but his perimeter D is not up to par and he has slow feet for somebody at the 3. He is strictly a 4 right now, that could possibly change in the future

He can switch to all three Frontcourt positions (during any play) and play them well, his defense against Super-Star Players in the frontcourt position vs Center-Shaq, or PF-KG or Duncan, or SF-Pierce or Lebron maybe the same as the average defenders vs these Super-Star Players

We all should know that David Lee is a PF that has a wide all around game.
The term He can switch position (during any play) means when Lee is forced to play at another frontcourt-position or player because his teammates been picked off or bumbed (during the play) he does as well as the average NBA player at C, PF, SF (He's an average defender).
 

pyotrveliky

Rotation player
oh, in that point youre right. but he cant cover someone like bron or pierce for 30 minutes a game is what were trying to say.
 

The 1 and Only

Rotation player
sorry...he's an average defender at the 4 and is proned to alot of rookie mistakes still such as defending the baseline because of his slow feet. Poor defender at the 3 and undersized for the 5. And his well rounded game...you must be talking about his rebound and hustle which not real well-rounded. No jumper, no perimeter D, non-existant post game...so where did you get the well-rounded from?
 

pyotrveliky

Rotation player
yeah he still has work to do on a consistent jumper and inside scoring but i think with work he can become a solid complete player.
 

pat

Starter
I think D.Lee could avg. 12-14 boards and 16 pts. a game but is a PF and should be left there the only time he should be guarding the SF or C would be in zone or help D.

These are actually the only two options you have in Basketball. Zone or help defense. Every man-on-man defense that is no help defense is only poor basketball. A zone does not suit Lee since it cripples his rebounding. I guess he just has to work on D.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
Lee is the best STARTER wid Marbury/Curry

These are actually the only two options you have in Basketball. Zone or help defense. Every man-on-man defense that is no help defense is only poor basketball. A zone does not suit Lee since it cripples his rebounding. I guess he just has to work on D.

A Zone cripples the Knicks wid Curry in the lineup (he should've spent two years in college), get it right.

With Curry & Marbury being the Prime Starters on this Knick Team the number-one co-existing player on this Knick Roster that should be Starting with Curry & Marbury is Mr. David Lee. Any wise common-sense NBA Coach knows this from watching this team.

David Lee hustling talents are on both Defense and Offense, he is not a One on One player offensively or as a defender he is strictly a TEAM-PLAYER.

David Lee is one of the fewest players that I seen in my many decades of watching the Knicks that does not let the New York crowds & Media atmosphere affect his consistent talents.

There are very few PF in the NBA that you can put in the Starting Lineup with Marbury & Curry and expect to do a better job than PF-David Lee. Marbury & Curry has to many Flaws in their talent that David Lee performance covers for them. Hopefully the Knicks strategy this season is to get Rookie Randolph Morris into a Defensive minded performance at the Center and PF position at blocking-shots so he can get some meaningful playingtime with either offensive-players Curry or Zach.

The Knicks have a Frontcourt Defensive unit in Rookie Randolph Morris, David Lee, and Renaldo Balkman, all three are ferocious rebounders and put-back specialist by playing above the rim ball. However, a certain Knick coach wont let Curry & Zach sit on the bench together to watch a hustling-defense that scores off of their defense.
 

The 1 and Only

Rotation player
The Knicks have a Frontcourt Defensive unit in Rookie Randolph Morris, David Lee, and Renaldo Balkman, all three are ferocious rebounders and put-back specialist by playing above the rim ball. However, a certain Knick coach wont let Curry & Zach sit on the bench together to watch a hustling-defense that scores off of their defense.

But do you know why since this post filled with bias and hate as well...Isiah has said this over and over again if you were paying attention no one knows. He wants to bring Balkman and Lee off the bench along with Nate Rob and Mardy for energy. GET OVER LEE. He's going to get his playing time so chill with that. You should be worried about the W instead of seeing Lee start. Because we all know...if Randolph doesn't start...he isn't as effective...
 

pyotrveliky

Rotation player
when does david lee play above the rim? or randolph morris for that matter? balkman usually plays above the rim more on fast breaks. as much as you complain, guess what. randolph is our starting pf unless he absolutely is terrible, which i doubt is gonna be the case. as always youre quick to make judgments - there are few PFs in the league who would do a better job than lee? really, how about kg, duncan, amare to name 3 off the top of my head. just accept that for the immediate future lee is gonna be coming off the bench but as the saying goes, its not who starts the game but who finishes it. and i think hell be on the court at critical moments at the end of the game. complaining that he should be starting in every post really doesnt contribute much, especially not until the season starts and we see our team.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
But do you know why since this post filled with bias and hate as well...Isiah has said this over and over again if you were paying attention no one knows. He wants to bring Balkman and Lee off the bench along with Nate Rob and Mardy for energy. GET OVER LEE. He's going to get his playing time so chill with that. You should be worried about the W instead of seeing Lee start. Because we all know...if Randolph doesn't start...he isn't as effective...


I get what your saying, and I understand Isiah philosophy in having a energy bench. But...... Isiah have to many FLAWS in his coaching technique with this roster (he was Clueless of this roster), it showed last season when his bench-unit played 100% better than his starting lineup. So to "SAVE-FACE" Isiah refuse to put his bench-unit crew in the game at the same time because they were outplaying his Money Contract players. He tried to get his poor Starters to mesh by giving them the majority of playingtime with adding just one or sometime two Bench players with them. Isiah wanted chemistry in his Starting Unit so bad early last season that he benched Nate Robinson to just garbage time at the end of the game and got mad when Nate tried for a HighLight to promote defending his Dunking-Contest in a 20 point losing game. And used that as a reason to bench Nate the rest of the season, untill Crawford was injured.

Do you see Isiah giving Lee, Balkman, and Nate 25 minutes of playingtime together this season? NO! so his energy off the bench is bull-crap. Why?
Those three players along with Crawford have a devastating Meshing-Chemistry together on offense & defense (last season they outsored every one of their oponents averaging 35 pts, 14 reb, and 5 ast, as a 20 minute bench-crew). Plus Energy off the bench MEANS a 2nd Unit (running) Team of 3 to 4 players with fresh legs comming in together. So common-sense say add SG-Crawford to the bench crew with PG-Nate, SF-Balkman, and PF-Lee. Which Isiah is not going to do. Adding Zach Randolph and Fred Jones to this Knick Roster this offseason is not going to stop Isiah from being CLUELESS on how to use this roster.
 

Kiyaman

Legend
But do you know why since this post filled with bias and hate as well...Isiah has said this over and over again if you were paying attention no one knows. He wants to bring Balkman and Lee off the bench along with Nate Rob and Mardy for energy. GET OVER LEE. He's going to get his playing time so chill with that. You should be worried about the W instead of seeing Lee start. Because we all know...if Randolph doesn't start...he isn't as effective...


I get what your saying, and I understand Isiah philosophy in having a energy bench. But...... Isiah have to many FLAWS in his coaching technique with this roster (he was Clueless of this roster), it showed last season when his bench-unit played 100% better than his starting lineup. So to "SAVE-FACE" Isiah refuse to put his bench-unit crew in the game at the same time because they were outplaying his Money Contract players. He tried to get his poor Starters to mesh by giving them the majority of playingtime with adding just one or sometime two Bench players with them. Isiah wanted chemistry in his Starting Unit so bad early last season that he benched Nate Robinson to just garbage time at the end of the game and got mad when Nate tried for a HighLight to promote defending his Dunking-Contest in a 20 point losing game. And used that as a reason to bench Nate the rest of the season, untill Crawford was injured.

Do you see Isiah giving Lee, Balkman, and Nate 25 minutes of playingtime together this season? NO! so his energy off the bench is bull-crap. Why?
Those three players along with Crawford have a devastating Meshing-Chemistry together on offense & defense (last season they outsored every one of their oponents averaging 35 pts, 14 reb, and 5 ast, as a 20 minute bench-crew). Plus Energy off the bench MEANS a 2nd Unit (running) Team of 3 to 4 players with fresh legs comming in together. So common-sense say add SG-Crawford to the bench crew with PG-Nate, SF-Balkman, and PF-Lee. Which Isiah is not going to do. Adding Zach Randolph and Fred Jones to this Knick Roster this offseason is not going to stop Isiah from being CLUELESS on how to use this roster.
 

pyotrveliky

Rotation player
maybe he is saving face but thats the way management works. hes the GM so hes not gonna bench players that he paid a lot of money to obtain because obviously that would show that he is doing a bad job as GM. whether he is or he isnt is not important, the point is thats how its gonna be as long as he is GM and has a say in the roster. i think your lineup with say mardy collins at point would be devastating offensively and defensively but you have to realize that that is our second unit. look at it this way - if they develop chemistry in that function and peform in their initial limited minutes, perhaps isiah will shake up the lineup and use them as starters. we know he has no problem switching lineups so be open to that possibility. his initial starters are subject to change.
 
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