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    Default Lost Credibility 'John Hollinger Projected Standings'

    John Hollinger rangs the Hawks 4 spots above the Knicks. According to Hollinger, the Hawks will have a 42-40 record and the Knicks only a 38-44.

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    I know I'm a Knicks fan but how credible is this analysis? Am I over reacting by saying Hollinger is a duh duh duhhh!

    1. Chicago Bulls 55-27 1st in Central

    2. Cleveland Cavaliers 54-28 2nd in Central

    3. Boston Celtics 51-31 1st in Atlantic

    4. Orlando Magic 49-33 1st in Southeast

    5. Detroit Pistons 48-34 3rd in Central

    6. Miami Heat 43-39 2nd in Southeast

    7. Atlanta Hawks 42-40 3rd in Southeast

    8. Charlotte Bobcats 40-42 4th in Southeast

    T-9. New Jersey Nets 39-43 T-2nd in Atlantic

    T-9. Toronto Raptors 39-43 T-2nd in Atlantic

    11. New York Knicks 38-44 4th in Atlantic

    12. Milwaukee Bucks 35-47 4th in Central

    13. Washington Wizards 33-49 5th in Southeast

    14. Indiana Pacers 28-54 5th in Central

    15. Philadelphia 76ers 21-61 5th in Atlantic

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    Opps my bad we made the threads at almost the same time my bad.

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    I just laughed it off. I mean I can't see the Piston being lower than The Celts... lol..

    Everyone saying how will Zach and Eddie mesh... they have many more new parts than we do to worry about... Our system is not going to change much at all... Where as they all have to find their niche.


    Frye would have gotten more touches had he been more than a shooter. I think Curry and Zach will mesh fine by december they should be playing very well together based on the system.

    They play defense, they will be as good as any team in the east... because scoring will not be an issue vs any team.

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    Celtics > Detroit.

    Knicks > Miami.

    Why is everyone sleeping on the Bobcats? Felton is under the shadows of Chris Paul and Deron Williams, but he will reach the light this season. Dude is a 15 and 9 PG, especially now with J-Rich on the bobcats.

    PG - Felton
    SG - J-Rich
    SF - G-Wall
    PF - Hermann
    C - Okafor

    Thats an excellent starting 5, plus their bench is pretty deep with Carroll, Dudley, Primo, Morrison, May and etc.

    Hawks aren't that bad, Horford is going to suprise people, Josh Smith is only improving, and Law is a very polished rookie, plus they got Joe Johnson. If the Williams brothers step it up, they have a very good chance to make it.

    Miami is so overrated, its ridiculous. Bobcats have a much better squad than, Bobcats on paper to me look like the best team in the Southeast.

    Orlando sucks. Jameer Nelson and Keith Bogans as a backcourt? Good luck with that. BTW, Battie is OUT, so who's their PF? Don't tell me Stan Van Gundy is gonna play Lewis at PF, he's strictly a perimeter player. Magic got a weak bench too, all they have off the bench is Arroyo and Ariza. Losing Darko will hurt them, hopefully for them they can get Webber, who would automatically be the best passer on that team.

    Washington is basically the same team.


    1. Bulls
    2. Cavs
    3. Celtics
    4. Bobcats
    5. Pistons
    6. Nets
    7. Raptors
    8. Knicks or Hawks


    The East is so deep, I can't wait till the season starts.

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    This dude is a tard he's got the magic at 4 and the hawks at 7 was he drunk? I do belive the wizards are better than 13 also. Maby not playoff bound but closer than 13. Who does he have winning the championship the sonics?
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    dont really know why miami still ranked high, yes they have dwayne wade but shaq is on a decline

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    1. Pistons
    2. Cavs
    3. Celtics
    4. Bulls
    5. Heat
    6. Knicks
    7. Nets
    8. Raptors/Bobcats/Bucks/Magic

    Can't count out the Pistons or the Cavs because of their track record. I'm not exactly sure where to put the Celtics but they should be in the top five. Can't count out the Heat ether. Nets are the same team and Knicks should be able to handle them.

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    Pistons are declining, we gotta get with the times, this isn't 04-05 anymore. The top two teams in the Central are the Bulls and Cavs, and they'll only get better by each game.


    Heat ARE garbage, Shaq is out of shape and still injury prone, when Shaq is out, who does Miami have besides Wade? Walker? lol...they're so ass.

    Nets added Magloire, and have Kristic back, added Sean Williams and got more matured Marcus Williams off the bench, where have you been, stuck in 2004-05 still believing Pistons are the beast of the east...how are they the "same"? Just like the Knicks, they improved.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Pistons are declining, we gotta get with the times, this isn't 04-05 anymore. The top two teams in the Central are the Bulls and Cavs, and they'll only get better by each game.


    Heat ARE garbage, Shaq is out of shape and still injury prone, when Shaq is out, who does Miami have besides Wade? Walker? lol...they're so ass.

    Nets added Magloire, and have Kristic back, added Sean Williams and got more matured Marcus Williams off the bench, where have you been, stuck in 2004-05 still believing Pistons are the beast of the east...how are they the "same"? Just like the Knicks, they improved.
    You are on crack if you think Wade can't bring the Heat to the play offs. Didn't Labron bring the Cavs to the play offs with less help?

    Wasn't Detroit #1 in the east last season? Do you honestly thing the Celtics will rank higher that an already established team of championship caliber? Don't believe the hype!

    Nets added Magloire who is a questionable nonall-star. Why do you put so much stock in the nonall-star Magloire but **** on Curry in nearly every post. You're better than that Metro. At least be consistent with your crazy rants. Kristic, Kristic, Kristic! Can he stay healthy, can he stop Curry/Randolph? Be for real. Knicks are going to show ESPN writers how much they don't know.

    Remember my ranking come play off time.
    Take out the Bobcats and add Washington.

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    You must of injected heroine twice today. Heat with Wade weren't that competitive or a threat. Remember they were living at the .500 mark?


    Lebron > Wade. Lebron is an excellent defender, but does everything on offense.

    That was LAST SEASON, Detroit isn't better than Clevand, nor CHICAGO. Rasheed and Billups are declining, Nazr isn't a competitive starting center. I like Maxiwell off the bench, their bench has potential. But they're no longer the elite team in the East.

    Why are you always discrediting the Celtics? Do you know who the hell Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett are? Hall of famers. If Lebron can make out of the the East with Zydrunas, Drew Gooden, Varejao, Eric Snow, Sasha and Larry Hughes...why can't Pierce do it with Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, James Posey, and Rajon Rando? I hate the Celtics, but theres no denying they got an elite squad.

    Alright, you're right. Magloire is on the decline, but he's an improvement; no denying that. Nets had the weakest frontcourt in the NBA last year and they updated. Their best frontcourt player was Moore, now they added Sean Williams, got Krstic back and Magloire. Common sense and logic would be they improved, not stayed the same. All we can hope for is Jason Kidd to get injured so the Nets can stay out of our way.

    Washington had their chances and blew it. You need to understand especially being from the area Bobcats got a squad. I want to beat them this season cause they always get the best of us and I hate the fact they rock orange and blue.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    You must of injected heroine twice today. Heat with Wade weren't that competitive or a threat. Remember they were living at the .500 mark?


    Lebron > Wade. Lebron is an excellent defender, but does everything on offense.

    That was LAST SEASON, Detroit isn't better than Clevand, nor CHICAGO. Rasheed and Billups are declining, Nazr isn't a competitive starting center. I like Maxiwell off the bench, their bench has potential. But they're no longer the elite team in the East.

    Why are you always discrediting the Celtics? Do you know who the hell Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett are? Hall of famers. If Lebron can make out of the the East with Zydrunas, Drew Gooden, Varejao, Eric Snow, Sasha and Larry Hughes...why can't Pierce do it with Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, James Posey, and Rajon Rando? I hate the Celtics, but theres no denying they got an elite squad.

    Alright, you're right. Magloire is on the decline, but he's an improvement; no denying that. Nets had the weakest frontcourt in the NBA last year and they updated. Their best frontcourt player was Moore, now they added Sean Williams, got Krstic back and Magloire. Common sense and logic would be they improved, not stayed the same. All we can hope for is Jason Kidd to get injured so the Nets can stay out of our way.

    Washington had their chances and blew it. You need to understand especially being from the area Bobcats got a squad. I want to beat them this season cause they always get the best of us and I hate the fact they rock orange and blue.
    Here's what you fail to understand. The Pistons are a proven team and proven winning teams should always get higher rankings over unproven teams that look good on paper. The Knicks look great on paper, like a fantasy team almost but that is far from reality. In reality the Celtics are a play off team but not a championship contender. Why? Lack of depth! You can't gut a team for two all-stars and be called elite. Where is there bench? Can Ray Allan stay healthy? This isn't 'He got game'. I'll give the Celtics credit when the win games.

    The Heat ranked 4 in last years playoffs. Should they now not make the play offs because the Celtics have KG? Where is the logic in that.

    Bobcats beat the Knicks last season not because of how well they played but because of how poorly the Knicks played. You've mentioned this in several posts. Knicks are one of the leagues leaders in turnovers and didn't play much D. Now the Bobcats have J. Richardson who is flaky at best and it was a great move by Golden State to ship him out. He's a liability at this point in his career. Bobcats have improved to the point of may be fighting for that final spot but that's a stretch.

    Washington has been a force for the last 3 years and the Bulls are over rated. Ben Wallace is an aging, over paid center with little offensive contributions and Ben Gordon is as flaky as Jamal Crawford. Let's be real, at least five teams in the east have made major improvements and the Bulls aren't one of them. They will make the playoffs but they're far from the best of the east.

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    whatever brother...failed to understand the points I presented, can't do nothing about that. Goodbye.

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    <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comChicago</st1:City></ST1 is going to be a tough team in the East, so I wonít argue that.
    <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1Cleveland</ST1</st1:City> is O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D. Thereís LeBron and a bunch of other guys. Without LeBron, they are a lotteóscratch that, college team! I understand the league wants to fill the void left by Michael, but theyíll have to be content with more than one player to do it, of which LeBron is just one.
    As much as I hate to say it, <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1Boston</ST1</st1:City> is also going to be very tough. Itís not so much that they got 3 marquee players, itís the players they got! If youíre going to put 3 stars on a team, you canít argue with these three. A lowpost monster, a slasher and a shooter without range limits. And theyíll all play defense. Tough combination.
    You think Disney owns ESPN? Jameer Nelson has the heart of a lion, but heís 3 feet tall and will be consistently posted up by my sister. Keith Bogans is Ė well - Keith Bogans! Letís try not to get too excited, huh? Take you 35-40 wins and your underachieving status on into off-season.
    <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1Detroit</ST1</st1:City> is always dangerous, but they are slipping. They are basketball-wise enough to be a part of how the East turns out.
    <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1Miami</ST1</st1:City> is a desire (Wade) and an ego (Shaq) away from being a lottery team. They lack talent, depth and coaching. They did Van Gundy dirty and itíll haunt them. They think Riley will compensate for lack of talent. Welcome to the NBA, boys!
    <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1Atlanta</ST1</st1:City> is definitely up and coming. I like the way theyíre going about building their team. I wonít argue with Hollingerís pick here.
    <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1Charlotte</ST1</st1:City> Bobcats. Boy, does everybody miss <st1:country-region w:st="on"><ST1Jordan</ST1</st1:country-region> so much that theyíre willing to prop up his team as well? Their bench just flat sucks. Metrocard, you say on paper the Bobcats look like the best team in the Southeast. Iím assuming that paper is the Charlotte Observer. Morrison & May, ok. <ST1Dudley</ST1, weíll see. Carroll & Primo, straight trash! Donít let the Knicks lack of defense against Carroll last year fool you. Unless some part of your game is overwhelming (defense), everybody in the NBA can shoot, so that is not enough to be Sixth Man of the Year. Carroll will be exposed.
    Iíll take the Nets, Raptors and Wizards as one subject. I have to agree with Hollinger about their projection. They all lack, to me, the one thing it takes to be a playoff team, assuming the talent is there: heart. Although not so much the Wizards, definitely the Nets & Raptors. The Nets could have taken the <ST1Atlantic</ST1 by storm, but just didnít seem to want it. The Raptors were playing over their heads, and were soon exposed.
    <st1:City w:st="on"><ST1Milwaukee</ST1</st1:City> is a scary and unpredictable team, so I wonít touch them.
    Indiana & Philadelphia have fallen on hard times, and itíll show this year.
    The Knicks are in position to make a statement much like last years NY Jets. They can have a good season and raise expectations for future Knick teams.
    This is a get-some-respect year for us.
    My prediction: 43-39, 7<SUP>th</SUP> in the East, eliminated in the second round.

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    Nyk Logo I agree

    This is a break out year for the Knicks a show the world what New York is about we are winners and need to win now and i beleive Isiah and the rest of the team who wants to keep Isiah is going to do what they have to do to keep this team in order. Besides that Jerome James the rest of the team is busting there asses to become better. Look at Balkman hes shooting the ball with a big ass cast on his foot. Most players like Jerome James would have been sitting on the side line looking stupid his fat ass should just retire. im so upset because hes doing to us what Houstan did sitting around hurt when they should just leave the game. But of course he wants all his money that greedy bastard. He was being over paid the least he should have done was do what we asked him to do and thats play defense most people would try to earn there pay i hope he gets pushed out of the league hes only worth College pay right now lol. Sorry i got a little emotional. The rest of the team is doing so well though. Im hearing that Nichols isnt doing so well and that fred jones is shinning. Is Isiah leeking bull **** or is he trying to boost up how good Fred is so He can Ship Him Out for a big name.


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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    You must of injected heroine twice today. Heat with Wade weren't that competitive or a threat. Remember they were living at the .500 mark?


    Lebron > Wade. Lebron is an excellent defender, but does everything on offense.

    That was LAST SEASON, Detroit isn't better than Clevand, nor CHICAGO. Rasheed and Billups are declining, Nazr isn't a competitive starting center. I like Maxiwell off the bench, their bench has potential. But they're no longer the elite team in the East.

    Why are you always discrediting the Celtics? Do you know who the hell Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett are? Hall of famers. If Lebron can make out of the the East with Zydrunas, Drew Gooden, Varejao, Eric Snow, Sasha and Larry Hughes...why can't Pierce do it with Kevin Garnett, Ray Allen, James Posey, and Rajon Rando? I hate the Celtics, but theres no denying they got an elite squad.

    Alright, you're right. Magloire is on the decline, but he's an improvement; no denying that. Nets had the weakest frontcourt in the NBA last year and they updated. Their best frontcourt player was Moore, now they added Sean Williams, got Krstic back and Magloire. Common sense and logic would be they improved, not stayed the same. All we can hope for is Jason Kidd to get injured so the Nets can stay out of our way.

    Washington had their chances and blew it. You need to understand especially being from the area Bobcats got a squad. I want to beat them this season cause they always get the best of us and I hate the fact they rock orange and blue.
    It's clear Detroit is on the decline some, but Im not ready to say that the Celtics will be better just yet. Im not even ready to give the Celts the div based on their moves. Still have to do it on the court. I think we have to credit the Celts when they do it, since we have yet to see it. I think the Nets , if they are healthy , PROBABLY should be the favorites since they have been the most consistent and have played together the longest from the gate. Knicks could very well win the div if they play defense and up to their talent. They flat out have the most talent in the div.


    If you wanna put Chicago and Clev ahead of D, I can go with that somewhat ( Still don't think the Bulls quite ready )

    One thing that was laughable... was Lebron being an EXCELLENT defender... WORD? What Lebron did you watch? He is probably the best overall player in the league, but not based on his defense. He is an avg defender at best... Especially with his athleticism.

    Wade is like 3 times better on defense than Lebron. No exaggeration

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