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    Will the money, the doesn't grow on trees as you say, still be paid to Jerome James who hasn't played in five productive games since he's been a knick? If you agree that the anwer is yes, and you also agree that Nichols is a better player and more important better asset for the Knicks at this time, then wouldn't it make sense, to pay the money that is already owed to James and keep the player who does answer a need that the knicks have? He was the 53rd pick in the second round pick, which means the money that he would get paid would be in te 400,000 a year area(please reference second round picks such as Daniel Gibson Arenas, and Boozer). So are you telling me, the money that the knicks do have, couldn't pay that salary?

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    Originally Posted by lilman_bklyn
    Will the money, the doesn't grow on trees as you say, still be paid to Jerome James who hasn't played in five productive games since he's been a knick? If you agree that the anwer is yes, and you also agree that Nichols is a better player and more important better asset for the Knicks at this time, then wouldn't it make sense, to pay the money that is already owed to James and keep the player who does answer a need that the knicks have? He was the 53rd pick in the second round pick, which means the money that he would get paid would be in te 400,000 a year area(please reference second round picks such as Daniel Gibson Arenas, and Boozer). So are you telling me, the money that the knicks do have, couldn't pay that salary?
    i agree wit u, i wish we would have cut jerome james and signed nichols but i think it got to the point where dolan told isiah he wasnt going to buy out anybody, to work wit u got, and i dont know why ya'll acting surprised, ya should have definately seen this coming, isiah had a plan for nichols and nichols declined

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    Originally Posted by knicklover
    WHY?

    They are going to have to pay him the 18 million for doing nothing anyway!

    It will just be extended over several years while he takes up room on the bench.
    Even though teams do it, paying players to leave isn't good business for teams. Sure, JJ probably won't see much playing time over the next 2 years, but giving him a lump sum of millions for 0 seasons of productivity and allowing him to enjoy the rest of his winter in the bahamas is sickening.

    Let his portly unskilled ass sit on the bench and come to practice everyday. Besides, he still has about 2 annual injuries to go.

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    Not surprising, Isiah Thomas has always been hard headed.

    A good GM would of moved on from Rose and James, two completely unproductive players with hideous contracts. I guess Isiah still want these guys on the roster, thinking they will do something this season to live up to their contracts. I don't know man, Isiah is just weird, all his decisions can be questioned which is why myself and the Knicks nation don't feel comfortable with him as GM.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Not surprising, Isiah Thomas has always been hard headed.

    A good GM would of moved on from Rose and James, two completely unproductive players with hideous contracts. I guess Isiah still want these guys on the roster, thinking they will do something this season to live up to their contracts. I don't know man, Isiah is just weird, all his decisions can be questioned which is why myself and the Knicks nation don't feel comfortable with him as GM.
    Okay we all hate James (obvious), but how can you say a good GM would move on from Rose? Do you realize all the intangible things this guy brings to the game? You never ever see him slacking on defense and he's a vocal leader out on the court. Guys like him give the star players the proper attitude to have out on the court.

    A players value is not strictly limited to his offensive production. If Rose played 20 min/gm he would give you some damn good 20 min. If Curry played post defense the way Rose does, he would be complete. Teams can always use a hard-nose player.

    I don't know if you've been following IT's GM resume since he started, but he's drafted dome pretty good players for this league. If anything, he's a much better GM than he is a coach. Not following you Metro.

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    first off, i agree heavily with the post above me from nyk nyk. Rose (besides for his expiring contract) brings so many things to this club that doesnt meet the eye necessarily. his leadership, PLAYOFF EXPERIENCE, and veteran mentality is almost coach like. and he should definitely be wearing a C alongside Marbury. cause marbury might be the best overall player on this team but Malik Rose is the best overall leader. everyteam has the heart, the skills, the leader. and nate, marbs, rose. are those three.

    back on subject, as said multiple time prior.. we have to pay for james any which way you like at it. and if you believe that ANY gm could trade james anytime before his contract is ready to expire than you are insane. we would have to package lee, robinson, randolph, starks and ewing to get rid of james at this point in his contract.

    the best option would be (since basketball IS a business) is buy him out for at least 3 million less than we would have payed him. hell go away we have 1 roster space open up, 2 spots on the bench and 3 seats on the team bus! we use 1/6 of that money we saved to keep both jordan and nichols. simple as that.

    any which way you look at this. jerome james getting cut/bought out was/IS the way to go. and thats gospel man haha

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    Originally Posted by nyk_nyk
    Okay we all hate James (obvious), but how can you say a good GM would move on from Rose? Do you realize all the intangible things this guy brings to the game? You never ever see him slacking on defense and he's a vocal leader out on the court. Guys like him give the star players the proper attitude to have out on the court.

    A players value is not strictly limited to his offensive production. If Rose played 20 min/gm he would give you some damn good 20 min. If Curry played post defense the way Rose does, he would be complete. Teams can always use a hard-nose player.

    I don't know if you've been following IT's GM resume since he started, but he's drafted dome pretty good players for this league. If anything, he's a much better GM than he is a coach. Not following you Metro.
    His performance level is poor. Watch the games and check the stats. Rose is very below average and isn't a guy you want as your back up PF and a guy as your vocal "leader". He's a nice guy, had a good history in San Antonio as an intangibles guy, but what he has done in San Antonio, he hasn't done in New York, those days are long gone. Malik has MADE a lot of stupid plays, especially on offense. Rose and Curry was AWFUL to watch during the Larry Brown era, I put myself through alot of pain and misery watching those two ruin our offense, making it all easy for the opposition.

    IF? Where the hell were you when Rose started 35 games? Rose was a starter for the Knicks under Brown. Rose was by far the worst starting PF in the NBA at the time. His production? 37% FG on 4 points and 3 rebounds. Garbage. His intensity and level of performance? The lowest standard you can find the NBA.

    Under Larry Brown, Rose was awful. Too slow to stay in front of his man, and too small to guard your average big in the paint. Offensively, he did nothing.

    Under Isiah, he was less worse; but does that justify your theory that we actually need the guy? Lee can fill Rose's role easily, and it will give NEEDED minutes to Lee over Rose.


    Would you rather take away 10-15 minutes from a developing determined big man like David Lee and give it to a pass his prime 6"5 PF like Malik Rose?


    You guys need to understand Rose isn't at his Spurs level of play. He isn't a lock down defense, he isn't going to dominate the boards, and offensively, he's arguable the worst player on this team. So whats the use of him being here besides stealing minutes from Lee?

    Allan Houston >>> Rose.

    Isiah Thomas, a good GM? Let me just remind you of his history as the GM of the Knicks. I think you've gone missing the last 3-4 years and made a comeback, Isiah is far from a good gm, executive, and at any position in the front office.

    October 25 2007
    Waived guards Jared Jordan and Walker Russell and forward Demetris Nichols.
    October 20 2007
    Waived guard Allan Houston.
    October 13 2007
    Waived guard Roderick Wilmont.
    October 10 2007
    Re-signed guard Allan Houston.
    October 1 2007
    Signed guards Jared Jordan, Roderick Wilmont and Walker Russell and forward Demetris Nichols. Waived guard Dan Dickau.
    July 27 2007
    Signed forward Wilson Chandler.
    Draft 2007
    Selected forward Wilson Chandler (23rd overall pick).
    Traded guard Steve Francis and forward Channing Frye to the Portland Trail Blazers for guards Fred Jones and Dan Dickau, forward Zach Randolph and the draft rights to forward Demetris Nichols.
    SEASON 2006-07
    March 23 2006
    Signed center Randolph Morris.
    October 30 2006
    Waived guard Jalen Rose.
    October 25 2006
    Signed center Kelvin Cato, waived guard Milone Clark, forwards Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Elton Brown and center Paul Miller and exercised the contract options on guard Nate Robinson and forwards David Lee and Channing Frye through 2007-08.
    October 2 2006
    Signed guard Milone Clark, forwards Nikoloz Tskitishvili and Elton Brown and center Paul Miller.
    September 29 2006
    Waived forward Maurice Taylor.
    September 28 2006
    Named Glen Grunwald executive vice-president for basketball operations.
    September 11 2006
    Signed forward Ime Udoka.
    August 8 2006
    Signed forward Jared Jeffries.
    July 31 2006
    Signed forward Jared Jeffries to an offer sheet.
    July 5 2006
    Signed guard Mardy Collins and forward Renaldo Balkman.
    Draft 2006
    Selected forward Renaldo Balkman (20th overall pick) and guard Mardy Collins (29th overall pick).
    June 22 2006
    Replaced Larry Brown as head coach.
    SEASON 2005-06
    April 6 2006
    Signed forward Ime Udoka for the remainder of the season.
    February 22 2006
    Traded guard Anfernee Hardaway and forward Trevor Ariza to the Orlando Magic for guard Steve Francis.
    February 3 2006
    Traded forward Antonio Davis and cash to the Toronto Raptors for guard Jalen Rose and a first-round pick.
    December 6 2005
    Signed guard Qyntel Woods.
    December 3 2005
    Waived forward Matt Barnes.
    November 3 2005
    Named Kelly Tripucka to the scouting staff.
    October 26 2005
    Waived guards Jamison Brewer and Steven Barber and forward Otis George.
    October 14 2005
    Signed guard Jamison Brewer.
    October 6 2005
    Signed forward Matt Barnes.
    October 4 2005
    Re-signed guard Jermaine Jackson and traded him along with forwards Tim Thomas and Mike Sweetney, a 2006 first-round pick, second-round picks in 2007 and 2009 and a conditional right to swap 2007 first-round picks to the Chicago Bulls for center Eddy Curry and forward Antonio Davis; named Brendan O'Connor assistant coach.
    October 3 2005
    Signed guard Steven Barber and forward Otis George.
    September 27 2005
    Named Dave Hanners and Phil Ford assistant coaches.
    August 15 2005
    Waived forward Jerome Williams.
    August 2 2005
    Signed center Jerome James.
    July 28 2005
    Named Larry Brown head coach.
    July 2 2005
    Signed guard Nate Robinson and forward Channing Frye.
    July 1 2005
    Signed forward David Lee.
    June 30 2005
    Exercised the contract option on forward Mike Sweetney through 2006-07.
    Draft 2005
    Selected forwards Channing Frye (8th overall pick), David Lee (30th overall pick) and Dijon Thompson (54th overall pick).
    Traded forward Kurt Thomas and the draft rights to forward Dijon Thompson to the Phoenix Suns for guard Quentin Richardson and the draft rights to guard Nate Robinson.
    SEASON 2004-05
    March 20 2005
    Signed guard Jermaine Jackson for the remainder of the season.
    March 10 2005
    Signed guard Jermaine Jackson to a second 10-day contract.
    February 28 2005
    Signed guard Jermaine Jackson to a 10-day contract.
    February 27 2005
    Signed forward Jackie Butler for the remainder of the season.
    February 24 2005
    Traded guard Moochie Norris, forward Vin Baker and a 2006 second-round pick to the Houston Rockets for forward Maurice Taylor; traded guard Jamison Brewer and center Nazr Mohammed to the San Antonio Spurs for forward Malik Rose and conditional first-round picks in 2005 and 2006.
    January 22 2005
    Named Herb Williams head coach.
    November 10 2004
    Waived forward Shandon Anderson.
    November 8 2004
    Named Brendan Suhr assistant coach.
    October 27 2004
    Waived forward Tracy Murray.
    October 25 2004
    Waived guard Andre Barrett and center Mengke Bateer.
    October 7 2004
    Waived forward Brent Wright.
    October 4 2004
    Signed guard Andre Barrett, forwards Tracy Murray and Brent Wright and center Mengke Bateer.
    September 8 2004
    Signed center Bruno Sundov.
    August 27 2004
    Signed guard Jamison Brewer.
    August 18 2004
    Re-signed forward Vin Baker.
    August 5 2004
    Traded guard Frank Williams, forward Othella Harrington and centers Dikembe Mutombo and Cezary Trybanski to the Chicago Bulls for guard Jamal Crawford and forward Jerome Williams.
    August 3 2004
    Signed forward Trevor Ariza.
    Draft 2004
    Selected forward Trevor Ariza (43rd overall pick).
    SEASON 2003-04
    March 12 2004
    Signed forward Vin Baker.
    March 9 2004
    Signed forward Kurt Thomas to a four-year contract extension.
    March 4 2004
    Named Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to the basketball operations staff.
    February 15 2004
    Traded forward Keith Van Horn to the Milwaukee Bucks and center Michael Doleac and a 2005 second-round pick to the Atlanta Hawks for forward Tim Thomas from the Milwaukee Bucks and Nazr Mohammed from the Atlanta Hawks.
    February 13 2004
    Signed forward DerMarr Johnson for the remainder of the season.
    February 3 2004
    Signed forward DerMarr Johnson to a 10-day contract.
    January 21 2004
    Signed Bruno Sundov to a 10-day contract.
    January 16 2004
    Named Mark Aguirre and Dick Helm assistant coaches.
    January 14 2004
    Fired head coach Don Chaney and assistants Brendan Malone and Lon Kruger; named Lenny Wilkens head coach.
    January 5 2004
    Traded guards Howard Eisley and Charlie Ward, forwards Antonio McDyess and Maciej Lampe, the draft rights to guard Milos Vujanic, a 2004 first-round draft, a conditional first round pick and cash to the Phoenix Suns for guards Stephon Marbury and Anfernee Hardaway and center Cezary Trybanski; waived forward John Amaechi.
    December 30 2003
    Traded forward Clarence Weatherspoon to the Houston Rockets for guard Moochie Norris and forward John Amaechi.
    December 24 2003
    Waived center Slavko Vranes.

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    Yeah look at Scott Layden this trade is HORRIBLE!

    NEW YORK, June 26, 2002 – New York Knickerbockers President and General Manager Scott Layden announced today that they have acquired NBA All-Star Antonio McDyess, the draft rights to Frank Williams, the 25th overall pick in the 2002 NBA Draft, and a 2003 second-round draft choice from the Denver Nuggets in exchange for Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and the draft rights to ((Nene))Maybyner Hilario, the seventh overall pick in the 2002 NBA Draft.

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    Originally Posted by nyKnicks126
    Yeah look at Scott Layden this trade is HORRIBLE!

    NEW YORK, June 26, 2002 New York Knickerbockers President and General Manager Scott Layden announced today that they have acquired NBA All-Star Antonio McDyess, the draft rights to Frank Williams, the 25th overall pick in the 2002 NBA Draft, and a 2003 second-round draft choice from the Denver Nuggets in exchange for Marcus Camby, Mark Jackson and the draft rights to ((Nene))Maybyner Hilario, the seventh overall pick in the 2002 NBA Draft.
    Indeed, Camby was my favorite Knick at the time too. I went through so much emotions that night, probably my worst time as a Knick fan.

    BTW everyone talks about Malik's leadership skills...where was that leadership skill when he was having a fight in the shower with Nate over a gambling bet? Where was Malik when Q and Marbury were having their problems. Rose is not motivating anyone when the team knows he sucks. Malik doesn't get us wins with his leadership. Jerome James can at least block shots and takes up more space in the paint...plus James is like 7"1-7"2. Malik should be waived, losing Jordan and Nichols for Malik isn't a smart GM move.

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    the last preseason game and the first game against the nets with the set roster n we looked like last seasons team...
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    True that MSGhobo, but I was watching the WHOLE game, and it seemed to me that the Knicks weren't even trying to play seriously. Turnovers were a big factor also.

    Metro I gotta give you credit, Malik wasn't there for Qs and Marburys problem, and he wasn't even there from Larry Browns and Marburys problem. But when it comes to helping players with there game, Malik is almost always there to help.

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    Speaking of Isiah. He was a Executive Vice Prez. for the Raptors for 3 years. He is responsible for drafting Marcus Camby! Damon Stoudemire, and TRACY McGRADY!

    Once again this shows you the skills of Isiahs draft methods. Just to point out that he should be a scout, he would be one of the best in the league.

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    so this just means we signed them on for longer?

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    Yes this means their signed for a year longer a peice. This also means this is the year that we either sign/trade or cut Nate and Lee ( they both better get long term deals ) and we can either sign Balkman and Collins to another extention on their current rookie contracts next year or we could just do the inevitable and sign them to long deals this year. (but we won't we'll wait the year out and save some cash)

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    Angry Yeah thats true

    This guy will never see minutes this was a redicuous move by the knicks. like my other bloggers said he will be get payed anyway. Plus when you buy out a contractu usually they dont get the whole thing. Nicholes would have gotten what 100,000 it would have equalled out in the numbers the knicks organization is so stupid.


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