I think Artest is a better version of Q-Rich. I'm still not sure if its worth it to make a deal with Balkmen quickly improving. I'm a huge Artest fan, but he said himself that he wouldnt trade balkmen for himself. I guess I'm nuetral on an artest trade as long as it doesnt involve balkmen or lee.
That sounds perfect to me!!! Think this makes everyone happy!! Think that if bibby somehow went to the Lakers instead of Marbury they be more willing!!
As for the Kings ridding salary for future Balkman is nice and they would of done that already if available!!
As long as Kobe becomes a Knick I'm all for it!!!!
Lets GET KOBE!!!!
Having a starting five of Marbury, Q, Artest, Randolph and Curry sound good in principle but you gotta also think about the wear and tear on Q's body. You wear him out and guess what? He gets hurt, sits out the rest of the year and Crawford starts with no real backup. By starting Crawford you can bring Q off the bench at either position and maintain the defensive intagrity while not being liable offensively.
And for those thinking we're giving up too much they gotta understand that getting these young guys was for a trade like this anyway. Lets be real, if Balkman got more muscular and could learn a midrange jump shot he may start in this league as a defensive specialist but even thats a stretch and that would make him the best player in the whole trade for a guy who we know could walk in today and be our best defender with Balkman and Q on the roster. We got too many players that we like for this situation or that situation. How 'bout a player who can play in any situation because he can score AND defend. You guys cant distinguish the difference between a cult fan favorite and a league wide known top defender with scoring ability. Even if I gave Balkman the benefit of the doubt and said I knew he'd be as good a defender as Artest, that still says nothing about his offense and I doubt his defense will get that good. And even if it could I'd have to wait another three years for it to develop when I could have it , and pair it with Randolphs offense right now with Artest.
Last edited by nazrmohamed; Nov 03, 2007 at 23:40.
What the hell is aditude?
Metrocard,I can spell but just can't type!!
What kind of stupid comment is that. Do you think the rest of us really care if you become a Nets fan or not regardless of the trade you should go.
I think we should wait for artest next year we can get him for free. Crawford has been playing well at the 2 and those forced shots were last minute seconds left on the clock shots that like you said he made. Zach had a bunch of forced shots that he made but he made them so of course we are happy.
If we were going to trade for artest we should have done it during the off season so we could have kept Nichols but to get rid of Q i dont think is a good idea i would actually rather see Crawford at the 1 Q at the 2 Artest at the 3 Zach at the 4 and Curry at the 5. the 2 and 3 spots would have good defenders. If Crawford keeps up on his D like yesterday thats good too.
i like marbury but he has to pick it up on the D worry about your man not everyone else it looked like he was trying to play help D but after the first 2 shots he should have stuck to the guy much harder.
I still like Nate off the bench hes to quick and good for the second Unit so if you keep your first unit on him hes gonna tire them out so much that when the startes come back out they will have a hard time.
I agree that Q is better suited for SG but I don't know about getting Artest. We need to be drama free to unite as a team. I like Balkman as a starting SF.
The Knicks need a traditional PG. Marbury is a scorer by nature. He needs to play off the ball. So on one had I think we need to keep Q as starting SF, move Marbury to the two and ether start Robinson or find a new PG. I know you don't agree on this one metro but you've got to admit the Knicks are a much better team when Starbury is free to score. He'll still get 6 or 7 assists but he'll put up 20. If Randolph/Curry can play a lil half ass D then we'll be straight and very hard to stop
No trades needed. This line up needs to happen.
Critics that oppose this think for a minute what this team would look like with a dominate scoring shooting guard. We may still have Curry/Randolph but 100% of the offense would not go through the front court. This line up could work.
Artest would be exactly what we needed if he wasn't a moron, immature, a head case, and in need of therapy and psychiatric drugs.
Seriously guys, he's obviously a very talented player. However, whenever other teams can't get wait to get rid of an obvious talent like this, it screams to anyone with a head on their shoulders that there are lots of intangible problems that come along with the package. In Artest's case, you don't need a head on you shoulders to figure that out. He comes with his own neon sign.
This is a young team without a real leader. We already have one mental case on the team (Marbury), another than might spontaneously combust at any moment (Robinson), and we are taking a risk with Randolph.
So far Randolph has been a model player, team mate etc... and Robinson seems to be maturing a little. Let's not press our luck by trading away younger players with decent talent for a better talent that is practically 100% to disrupt the franchise even further.
Last edited by knicklover; Nov 04, 2007 at 13:59.
The moment a mental midget with psychological problems like Artest joins a club, one is impossible and the other is very unlikely.
He's a talented player, but he's a disruptive force. Team chemistry is as much a factor in winning as athletic ability. This team has some pretty good chemistry right now. All we really need to do is get rid of Marbury, hope that Robinson has actually matured, and get outselves a real starting point guard if Mardy Collins doesn't develop into the role.
Of course getting rid of Dolan as owner and demoting Isiah to a talent scout for drafting would help too. So would getting a certain former Knick that is coaching in LA right now before he signs an extension. He might even be able to convince one of his current players that NY is a cool place to play.
Last edited by knicklover; Nov 04, 2007 at 13:58.
The Knicks unfortuanatly is full of head cases but i think thats the reason they get along. Damn it it NY. We cant have a Drama free team that would be rediculous. Just Like LA there has to be more too it then just basketball. Artest will fit in just fine with Curry Marbury Zach come on he fits right in. Actually i was more worried about a drama free player coming in and not fitting in. Feeling like an outsider or something lol. Artest is a hard worker and yeah he has made mistakes but many people do. Dont count him out. If he comes to NY he will try extra hard to do well and stay out of trouble. Just like Zach is gonna do.
They're going to ask for David Lee, Renaldo Balkman, and one of my favorite players, Mardy or Nate Robinson. I love Artest, but that's giving up way too much.
Q and Nate for Artest.
Would you do it?
Marbury, Crawford, Artest, Randolph, Curry
Mardy, Balkman, D-Lee off the bench
I like Q and Nate, but if that's the proposed deal, i'd take it.