Getting what done? It just isn't him pendejo. Orlando is a team led by the best center in the NBA, Dwight Howard, and one of the best shooters in Rashard Lewis, plus a group of guys who can defend and shoot. Nelson isn't a threat as a shooter, and is a liability on defense, nor he isn't a playmaker. Stop overrating him and using his team's success to pump up his individual ability.
He plays 30 minutes a game instead of 35-38 because he has flaws and has had really off nights.
A very average PG Nelson is. Marbury is a good PG in a bad situation. Marbury has been an all star PG for most of his career, where as Nelson is fighting for starter minutes. What has Nelson done that can compare to Marbury? Nothing. 10 games mean nothing compared to years in the NBA. Right now Marbury is in turmoil with the coach, where as Nelson is given a limited role 50 other PG's in the NBA can easily fit in.
He has terrible defense; leading the team in steals doesn't excuse his terrible defense. How many times I myself and others in forum killed that steals agrument? We had some idiot on here who thought Lebron wasn't a good defender or on Wade's level because Wade had more steals and blks. Nelson is the worst I've seen fighting over screens and pick and rolls...dude is just ass, and actually makes Robinson look like a good defender(from my assessment of watching constant Knicks and Magic games.)
Head case is just an insult, you don't have a lot behind that statement, actually nothing except personal hate and ignorance.
Its been 10 games; if you're comparing 10 games to my assessment of over 10 tens, then you gotta be a knuclehead(Charles Barkley quote).
He's solid, average, everything but good.
You think, but you don't know. I've watched Orlando all ten games. The ball is mostly in Dwight's hands in the half court, Turk creates passes and shots. Jameer's role is limited, as is Arroyo's and Dooling's.
Marbury is NOT Crawford, Crawford is a selfish player with no sense of shot selection. Marbury is the opposite.
Have you watch Orlando play 3-4 + games this season? How do you know what Jameer is doing without watching game reviews, the game itself or keeping up?
"Nelson doesn't concern himself with who gets the assist, he just swings it around to whoever."
You're right about that.
"Marbury is a ball dominating PG"
You're extremeley 100% wrong about this, just like the majority of the post your replied with.
If Marbury is a ball dominator, how the hell does Curry and Crawford and Randolph get so much ball possession, turnovers, shot attempts and etc?
Steph had Garnett for a limited number of games. I don't know who the hell is "Garnet" Why does everyone tremble and get weak and start mis-spelling athletes name when they reply to me? I remember duncock and shack last time.
What PG does make guys better, in what way? Do you mean in terms of improving themselves as better athletes or on the court? On the court, Marbury is very unselfish, penetrates and creates for his team when given the chance. He doesn't create like Nash or Kidd, but Marbury does create and help his teammates.
Come back to this thread in 30-40 games and lets see who's the better PG.
Once again, all I'm saying is MArbury isn't the old marbury anymore, deal with it, he hasn't defended well, he hasn't passed well, he hasn't done anything well. He isn't carrying anything, when he was good he was a ball hog, a Ball dominating PG, he's not anymore because the ball has been taken out of his hands and he is now a shell of his former self because he's being a baby. HE makes off the wall comments and threatens his head coach if his coach wants to bench him. The guy is a couple gallons short.
The guy is in turmoil with his coach? hmmm, do you think any of that turmoil is his fault, I'll give you not 100%, I'd say about 50% Isiah and 50% Marbury. When you seem to but heads with every coach he has, some of the blame falls on him. He also has had issues with several teamates, like Garnet, Van horn, Quentin Richardson, even Malik Rose wants out. The Guy was great. An all star. But he dominated the ball causing friction with his teamates and coaches in most situations he's been in. He used to be able to carry a team to playoffs, but his ball dominating style would get shut down against the good TEAMS in the playoffs and now that his coach wants him to be more TEAM orientated, so he can get out of first round, he can't adjust and he's not good enough to carry a team anymore, So marbury doesn't fit.
Nelson has been a good pg. I have seen several orlando games, granted not all of them. But Nelson, plays a role, his role is important and contributes to his team, several ways. I'm not saying other point guards couldn't play in his spot, just marbury can't. It's not marburys style to take the back seat. It's marburys style to make a big fuss, if he doesn't play. Put down teamates if they miss open shots. Put down coaches for letting anyone else but him take a last shot or handle the ball. Marbury needs to be the man and his ego is hurt, that isiah puts crawford in that spot. I'd rather have steph shoot than crawford anyday. Marbury just doesn't get the TEAM concept and he has given up on defense and has lost a step, plus he's not as dealy a finisher/passer/shooter as he used to be, He's on the decline, past his prime and isn't adjusting or trying to fit into any role.
Hate and ignorance? I have neither, I have pitty for Marbury, one of my favorite players, I was so excited he came to NY, I loved him, because he wanted to be here more than anything. He wanted to carry the KNicks to the promise land, something I'm sure he's dreamed of since he was a kid. I pitty him now because, he is a shell of the Starbury he thinks he is. He needs a coach to be on his Jock and blowing smoke up his ass. He needs the coach to stroke his ego, he can't carry this team. His team. SO I feel sorry for him. He can't perform the way he has always wanted as a knick. But I don't free him from blame just because he has the desire to win adnplay well as a knick, he needs to learn the TEAM game. Needs to put ego's aside and trust his teamates. He needs to put 100% effort into defence. When Isiah finally realizes Crawford isn't the man, then marbury can have his ball back. But at least be a man. You'll never develope curry, or any real team chemistry with selfish behavior. Nelson just plays. Does whats asked of him, sure he can mature and doesn't always take good shots, the same can be said of anyone who isn't an allstar, and steph is no longer and all-star. Maybe it's not all his fault. But he should carry his share of the blame.