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    Default Blow it the F*CK up! Official Trade Thread

    Post all your trade ideas here...discuss, debate, go to war whatever. Anyone's plan at this point is better than what Isiah has going on right here.



    Our goals and task

    Doing whatever Isiah forgot to do, and not doing what Isiah did that has put this team in jeopardy.
    -Trading away draft picks
    -Trading expiring contracts
    -Trading for ex-all stars
    -Trading for losing players
    -Trading for players who play as individuals with no concept of team b-ball
    -Signing and using the MLE on useless bench scrubs to lengthy ugly contracts
    -Ignoring the cap
    -Firing coaches constantly
    -Making frequent trades/signings on a monthly basis
    -No sense of direction



    Lets break it down who on this team is a keeper and a goner.


    Keepers
    -Cheap contract
    -Youthful player that plays with energy, can follow the team ball concept

    Knick Keepers
    Renaldo Balkman
    David Lee
    Robinson
    Chandler
    Collins
    Morris


    Goners are usually guys with ugly contracts that play as individuals or just don't play with any intensity on defense, are out of shape, and don't produce to what they're getting paid. We want to GET rid of these guys because they've shown as KNICKS they're not capable of winning, and they've shown in their past TEAMS they're not capable of winning. This goes for the following:

    Crawford
    Curry
    Randolph
    Marbury
    Richardson


    In my opinion, the worst starting 5 in the NBA. Curry, Randolph and Richardson is the most out of shape front court in the NBA and Crawford and Marbury is the most dysfunctional back court in the NBA. We just need to MOVE on quickly as possible away from these guys. They're all obviously very talented, but its almost profoundly RETARDED to have them together on the same team, or just even have one of them period. These aren't guys you want on your team if you want to start winning. If you want a 20 and 10 player, a cross over, or 8 assist or points in the paint; sure pick up these guys. But those things don't equal winning games, just playing as individuals and playing the poorest way possible as teammates. I know I've supported Marbury and you guys may be surprised to see me have Marbury on this list. I'm going to still stand by what I said and I will state this: Marbury is the best option out of these 5 guys. He has 1 left on his contract, he's still in amazing shape at 30 years old, and he's still capable of producing 18 and 8 in a more pass orientated offense. I strongly believe and totally understand Marbury should be the last of these 5 we should move because of how much cap relief he will give us and what he's capable of doing on the court.



    The others, I will label as scrubs. It would be a gift to us if we somehow get rid of them
    Jefferies
    Rose
    James


    I won't put a lot of input in these guys. You guys know the deal with them.

    A special category goes to Freddy Jones. He's an endangered species in the Isiah Thomas era; an expiring contract. Hopefully Freddy Jones can make it through the Isiah Thomas and expire peacefully.


    So lets begin.


    Our weakness link is Crawford


    Crawford for

    Dooling
    Garrity


    Why for us? Expiring contract, Dooling plays intense defense, Garrity is a 3pt option

    Why for Orlando? They could Crawford either off the bench or as a starter.



    Jefferies

    for

    Newbie
    Brown


    Why for us? Two expiring contracts

    Why for Cleveland? Jefferies defense can actually be used as an asset and he would compliment the back up SF well for Cleveland.


    Crawford

    for

    Lue
    Wright
    1st rounder


    Why for us? Expiring contracts, first rounder

    Why for the Hawks? They finally get a PG and have a big run and gun line up in Crawford/Johnson/Smith/Williams/Horford


    Crawford
    Curry


    for
    Ratcliff
    Doleac
    Green
    Telfair
    1st rounder


    Why for us? Two expiring contracts, dump two weak links, get two young prospects, get a first rounder

    Why for the T'Wolves? They need offensive players to compliment Foye, Brewer and Jefferson. Foye/Crawford/Brewer/Jefferson/Curry.



    Trades that can get rid of Randolph

    Randolph
    Jefferies


    for

    Jamison

    Why for us?
    Jamison is a HUGE expiring contract, HUGE. We drop a goner and a scrub all in one shot. Plus Jamison isn't a bad player, but not for the future.

    Why for them?
    Washington sees a lot of future in Andray Blachte who's already producing solid numbers and is still relatively young. They lack a post scorer which is needed in the playoffs, they can't rely on jump shooters all the time. Arenas and Randolph would both help each other as they both play inside and out, taking pressure off one another.




    blah, you get the idea.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard

    Lets break it down who on this team is a keeper and a goner.


    Keepers
    -Cheap contract
    -Youthful player that plays with energy, can follow the team ball concept

    Knick Keepers
    Renaldo Balkman
    David Lee
    Robinson
    Chandler
    Collins
    Morris

    Freddy Jones shud be included in your list, i mean I looked at both the nets and sixers game and im most impressed wit him, he's a Larry Brown kind of player..My trade idea wud be:

    Knicks trade:
    Jared Jeffries
    2nd rd draft pick

    Portland trades:
    Joel Pryzbilla

    I'd start pryzbilla and bench Curry and cut jerome james, we get our front court defense upgraded with a shot blocker, MSGKnickz33 i wanna see your thoughts on dis homie....
    Last edited by Moz106; Dec 08, 2007 at 10:14.

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    Default Play Morris and Chandler

    Nothing wrong with any of the trade scenarios, but before I made a trade for anyone, I would try playing both Morris and Chandler, as well as increasing the minutes of hustle players like Lee, Balkman, Jones, Robinson, and Collins.

    Reward hustle and hard work over alledged talent. Plain and simple. That is how you get everyone playing hard. Then you can reward talent. Until then, talent gets you nothing.

    Trading one set of sociopaths with guaranteed money for another set is no solution. I would like to see everyone get the same guaranteed money, with performance bonuses making up the bulk of contracts.

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    Default The Only Solution is ...

    Here's the only solution, otherwise you're all just pissing in the wind ...

    Get rid of:

    • Every single person brought in by Isiah Thomas
    • Isiah Thomas
    • James Dolan
    • Cablevision

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    You guys know if Isiahs plan worked this team would have been a 70+ win team. It started all in the beginning. But that 70 plus winning dream has turned into a possiblity for a 1st pick in the 08 draft. To save Isiah I think he has one more move to save the Knicks and his stay as a GM and coach.

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    Successful Trade Scenario
    Congratulations on a successful trade.

    Due to New York and L.A. Lakers being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and L.A. Lakers had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


    Knicks trade
    Eddy Curry
    Zach Randolph

    Lakers trade
    Kwame Brown
    Lamar Odom


    Lamar expires the same year as Marbury....Kwame is an expiring contract. We get away of two negative players in one move, a huge leap to future. The tough thing about this deal is if Lakers would like Curry, especially since they're winning or how would Randolph fit in the triangle.


    Now we have Jefferies, Richardson, Crawford, and James contracts to deal with....let me see these scenario




    Successful Trade Scenario
    Congratulations on a successful trade.

    Due to New York and Denver being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and Denver had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    Nuggets trade
    Najera
    JR Smith

    Knicks trade
    Jamal Crawford


    Denver could use Crawford in their high tempo chucking system, JR Smith has been inconsistant for them and Klieza can take Najera's minutes and be more productive

    For us, expiring contracts and we dump Crawford in the process.


    Now we have Richardson, Jefferies, and James left....the problem with these guys they don't PRODUCE at all and are all undesirable. So this is going to be very tough...we'll have to throw in our young players if we want to get rid of these guys. My suggestion also would to be buy out Jerome James...he has 2 years left on his deal...just buy him out.



    This one will probably hurt me, but I gotta be realistic about it of course...so hear me out on this.

    Congratulations on a successful trade.

    Due to New York and New Jersey being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. New York and New Jersey had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


    Nets trade
    Boone
    Collins
    M. Williams

    Knicks trade
    Jefferies
    Lee
    Robinson


    We have to be mad real about this, no one wants Jefferies contract unless they get a nice piece in that deal....Lee is that piece, Nets finally get a PF who can really compliment their whole team immensely and get a **** load of rebounds since Nets can't shoot for ****. They also get some scoring at the point guard position which they seriously lack; Nate Robinson. They receive a bonified defensive wing player that can switch and guard multiple positions, beneficial for their playoff games.

    For us, we get an expiring and two pretty good young players from Connecticut; a pass first PG in Williams and a banger in Boone. We just have to move on and look to the future and away from the destruction Isiah.


    In my last deal..this is where I try to dump Richardson, Sacramento is desperate so I will take advantage



    Knicks trade
    Richardson
    Chandler
    future 2nd round pick
    cash considerations


    Kings trade
    Artest
    Garcia


    It'll be hard since Sacramento is trying to rebuild too...but I don't know, its just a scenario.


    If I was GM, I would try to pull these deals....the line ups after these deals would probably look like:


    Lakers
    PG - Farmar/Crittenton
    SG - Bryant/Vujacic
    SF - Walton/Ariza
    PF - Randolph/Radmonvic/Turiaf
    C - Bynum/Curry/Mihm


    Nuggets
    PG - Iverson/Carter
    SG - Diawara/Crawford
    SF - Anthony/Kleiza
    PF - Martin/Kleiza
    C - Camby/Nene

    Nets
    PG - Kidd/Robinson
    SG - Carter/Wright
    SF - Jefferson/Nochbar
    PF - Lee/Jefferies
    C - Krstic/Williams


    Kings
    PG - Bibby/Beno
    SG - Martin/Richardson
    SF - Salmons/Chandler
    PF - Moore/Thomas
    C - Miller/Hawes




    As your NEW New York Knicks...saved from Isiah's debacle and rape of the organization.


    Year left off contracts
    Williams - 2 years rookie contract
    Collins - 2 years rookie contract
    Balkman - 2 years rookie contract
    Marbury - 1 year
    Artest - 1 year
    Odom - 1 year
    Garcia - 1 year
    Collins - 1 year
    Malik Rose - 1 year
    Brown - 0 year
    Jones - 0 year
    Najera - 0 year
    Smith - 0 year
    Morris - 0 year


    We got 14 guys on the roster....we would have to waive two right? Well have options to do that

    Bottom line; these moves are the best options for us, for our cap and our future as competitors in the NBA. These players aren't bad either, most of them play unselfish basketball and defense. From this roster, we can build around the draft..or hell see Williams develop into a star PG(He's capable of) or Balkman finally taking a starting's role...Garcia is a young growing player who can defend, pass, shoot and rebound.


    New York Knicks
    PG - Marbury/Williams
    SG - Garcia/Smith/Jones
    SF - Artest/Balkman/Najera
    PF - Odom/Boone/Rose
    C - Brown/Collins/Morris


    Yo...I think about this...this **** is genius. Marbury, Artest and Odom is a TRIO...NYC to the max...plus we don't have to keep them for 3-4 more years if it doesn't work out.

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    Originally Posted by nyKnicks126
    You guys know if Isiahs plan worked this team would have been a 70+ win team. It started all in the beginning. But that 70 plus winning dream has turned into a possiblity for a 1st pick in the 08 draft. To save Isiah I think he has one more move to save the Knicks and his stay as a GM and coach.
    I AGREE I THINK THOMAS HAS 1 MOVE LEFT AND WILL MAKE THE BEST OUT OF IT HES STILL A YOUNG GM/COACH AND IS LEARNING THE ERRORS OF HIS WAYS GUARANTEE THE NEXT MOVE HE MAKES TRADE DEADLINE OR IN THE DRAFT WILL BE A STEP IN THE PROPER DIRECTION

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    Bump.

    2013 version.


    Plan A
    Knicks trade
    Raymond Felton
    Tim Hardaway Jr.

    Hawks trade
    Elton Brand
    Dennis Schroeder
    2014 2nd round pick
    2015 2nd Round pick

    Plan B

    Knicks trade
    Carmelo Anthony
    Raymond Felton
    Jr Smith
    Tim Hardaway Jr.
    Beno Udrih

    Bobcats trade
    Kemba Walker
    Gerald Henderson
    Ramon Sessions
    Bismack Biyombo
    Josh McRoberts
    Ben Gordon
    2014 First Round Pick

    Bobcats
    PG - Felton/Udrih/Pargo
    SG - Smith/Hardaway Jr.
    SF - Kidd-Gilchrist/Taylor
    PF - Anthony/Zeller/Tolliver
    C - Jefferson/Haywood

    Knicks
    PG - Walker/Prigioni/Sessions
    SG - Shumpert/Gordon
    SF - World Peace/Henderson
    PF - Martin/McRoberts/Bargnani
    C - Biyombo/Stoudemire

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    You'd take Kemba over Felton? I honestly think both players are better coming off of the bench. We need a player like Jeff Teague. The mecca of basketball really needs to raise the bar for our PG. We need a guy that can average no less than 8 assists per game.

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    Originally Posted by donchris
    You'd take Kemba over Felton? I honestly think both players are better coming off of the bench. We need a player like Jeff Teague. The mecca of basketball really needs to raise the bar for our PG. We need a guy that can average no less than 8 assists per game.
    Kemba Walker is better than Teague. Teague won't average 8 assist all season. He's 7 at best, he averages 3 turnovers a game with those 7 assist.

    For Teague's career his per 36 production has been
    14 ppg
    6.5 assist
    2.7 TO's

    Raymond Felton
    14 ppg
    6.8 assist
    2.7 TOs

    Kemba Walker
    17.5 ppg
    6 apg
    2.5 TO's


    That's in the first 2 seasons of Kemba's career.

    Kemba is the superior rebounder, makes plays with intangibles, ball handling and superior defense who can get blocks, rack up steals and fight over screens and pick & rolls.

    Teague may not even be the best PG in Atlanta in the future, Schroeder will surpass him probably not in ATL but in another team.

    Also consider Kemba has never had an offensive player to pass the ball to. Gerald Henderson has been his primary offensive option in his NBA career. When Al Jefferson returns, expect Kemba to average 8 assist easy.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    Kemba Walker is better than Teague. Teague won't average 8 assist all season. He's 7 at best, he averages 3 turnovers a game with those 7 assist.

    For Teague's career his per 36 production has been
    14 ppg
    6.5 assist
    2.7 TO's

    Raymond Felton
    14 ppg
    6.8 assist
    2.7 TOs

    Kemba Walker
    17.5 ppg
    6 apg
    2.5 TO's


    That's in the first 2 seasons of Kemba's career.

    Kemba is the superior rebounder, makes plays with intangibles, ball handling and superior defense who can get blocks, rack up steals and fight over screens and pick & rolls.

    Teague may not even be the best PG in Atlanta in the future, Schroeder will surpass him probably not in ATL but in another team.

    Also consider Kemba has never had an offensive player to pass the ball to. Gerald Henderson has been his primary offensive option in his NBA career. When Al Jefferson returns, expect Kemba to average 8 assist easy.
    None of this matters w/o a coach who knows how to win in this league. Recall we were sold on Woody being defensive... he's not.
    Recall Woody was sold as someone who would "design an offense to feature our stars"... he didn't and can't.
    Recall how frustrated we were with the inordinate amount of 3's and the false positive they perpetuate... we lead the league last year
    Recall how we needed better defenders and rebounders... this coach nullifies any defensive advantage we have by switching and purposely playing guys out of position. Plus Tyson was supposed to be a rebounder but is playing volleyball thus creating another false positive.

    When we were beefing about the poor coaching with MDA we expected better not the same sh!t on a different day.

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    I would start from changing the coach and the point guard. Those two determine the identity and direction of any team.
    What is an identity of this team? I dont think even Woody can answer this question. Where is the defense that we thought Woodson is good at? Offense? Give the ball to Melo or JR and let them figuer it out.
    We have some very good defenders. Why is Stat playing at all and Martin is on the bench?
    There are a lot of questions about Woodys tactics, a lot of mistakes at the end of close games.
    Felton is too slow to guard most of younger and quicker guards, dribbles a lot, cant often see open teammates, shoots a lot for a point guard instead of distributing the ball.
    Why is he allowed to shoot so much? He is a terrible, let me repeat, terrible shooter.
    Yesterday on ESPN G.Carl said that we have enough good players to be 4 or 5 seed in our conference.
    I dont think we can even make the 7th or 8th seed with this coach,
    I would fire him right now.

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    Both very, very unlikely scenarios. But I get your message. With some good scounting and a good GM we could rebuild from nothing to a very solid team with a couple of seasons. Unfortunately that's not what the Knicks do, we'd rather trade everyone away and mislocate all the cap space in a couple of risky max contracts.

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    Excuse me? knickerbocker12 unlike many other posters thinks about a little bigger picture than here and now. And well, he's right about Amare in many ways. Let's be honest, Amare did struggle badly right after he got back and he was able to get his rythm back and put in quality minutes despite his very limited PT. Both media and fans started calling for him to regain his starting spot for a reason. And that reason was Amare played *phenomenal*, at least on the offensive end. His first 5-6 games were bad to average, but then he started putting some crazy numbers like 21 pts and 6 boards on a 1.000 FG% in 20 min. We need to think positive, it's early November, we're four games into the season, let the team figure it all out. Amare will be fine and so will be the Knicks, just give them some more time than four ****ing games.

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    We need a few draft picks for this year and next year .. Garage Sell starts on ThanxGivin ..
    Our 2013-14 season are a reminder of our 2011-12 season ..
    JRsmith may have a few wins up his sleeve, but trading him for ???, with a 2014 2nd round draft pick would be a golden-move for us.
    To bad our Knicks organization hasnt been draft & coach KEEPERS since Willis Reed & Holzman.

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