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    Originally Posted by lilman_bklyn
    I don't think this is a NBA2k8 kind of a trade at all, the Rockets are in no way guarunteed to get out of the 1st round yet again, and when that occurs, change will come. They aren't getting rid of Yao, so McGrady is the next option. As "damaged" as you may say he is, his numbers are still there and can't be disputed. Also, when I say a protected future pick, i am talking about years in the future maybe 2010 or around that time. And finally, McGrady's salary comes off the books in 2010 right when Walsh stated he wanted to go after those big free agents..
    You made a decent point but if im the rockets gm, will i look to trade tmac for crawford and randolph or will i look to get more for him? Im lookin to get more. Crawford has something named after him called the Crawford Line. So far Crawford has a losing percentage of 32% and he has played more games then any other player in the NBA without ever playing in a playoff game. I know he hasnt always been on the same teams but with all the losing Crawford has done if i was a gm i would stay away from him. Why would the Rockets want zach randolph, a player who has proven his is selfish. I like zach (no homo), i think he is very talented but he wont be worth much until he can become a better team player.

    I think t-macs value is overrated anyways. If i was the rockets gm of course im gonna try to get more for him then hes worth, business is business. Hes played well since january but hes always injured and within the next year or two hes gonna start to slow down. I have always thought hes just as talented as anyone else but mentally he hasnt shown the confidence of a winner.

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    What if LeBron does not make it far in the playoffs and claims he wants more help.

    Would Jamal Crawford and Malik Rose for

    Wally Szczerbiak and Damon Jones be a good trade?

    Szczerbiak and Jones contracts expire after 2008-2009.
    That's almost 18 million dollars.

    Malik Rose's contract expires 2008-2009 as well.

    Jamal Crawford can perhaps play well along LeBron and for once he will have a winning record(crawford line). Crawford and James can be a good 1-2 punch.

    The Knicks can look towards the future and start freeing up cap space to sign a legitimate SG, who can defend, score, and be more consistent.

    What do you think?

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    What about this trade:

    Zach Randolph for Richard Jefferson straight up.

    Almost identical contracts and same length. Different positions but same caliber of talent. Equal value. The nets get a real PF and we get a real SF. That RJ and Vince Carter combination is not woking either sort of like Curry and randolph. Plus RJ does play some Defense, unlike Q-Rich. Chandler still has to develop some more.

    Cut Q-Rich!!

    Knicks 2008-2009

    PG: Marbury/Robinson
    SG: Crawford/ (don't know if the knicks resign Fred jones)
    SF: Jefferson/Chandler/Jefferies
    PF: Lee/ Rose
    C: Curry/ Jerome James

    Plus hopefully a to 3 draft pck.

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    What about this trade? They work financially but I'm not sure if they would be accepted. If so, it would get us well under the cap by the end of the '09-'10 season and we could go after several free agents.

    Trade #1: Zach Randolph to Chicago for Larry Hughes. (Chicago desperately needs a low post threat and they don't want Larry Hughes anymore- they might go for it)

    Trade #2: Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford to Indiana for Jermaine Oneil. (Jamal is the key here, Jermaine wants out and regardless of the amount of hate Jamal receives on this site, he is probably our most valuable asset)

    Our starting lineup would be:

    PG - ?? (Derrick Rose if we get lucky) (maybe Marbury, would only keep him for expiring contract)
    SG - Larry Hughes
    SF - Wilson Chandler
    PF - David Lee
    C - Jermaine Oneil


    With these trades, Jermaine Oneil, Larry Hughes, Q. Rich, and Jared Jeffries would all come off the books at the end of the '09-'10 season and we could go after Lebron and probably another big time free agent.

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    I don't mind those trades at all. Not sure if Indy or Chicago would have any interest tough.

    Sidenote if we did get Hughes there is no way we'd get Lebron because Lebron and Hughes didn't get along.

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    Originally Posted by GetRealistic
    I don't mind those trades at all. Not sure if Indy or Chicago would have any interest tough.

    Sidenote if we did get Hughes there is no way we'd get Lebron because Lebron and Hughes didn't get along.
    Larry Hughes' contract would expire before Lebron would be signed. The lineup wouldn't be that good for the next two years but the whole point of the trade idea was to dump salary in order to sign Lebron and other free agents after the '09-'10 season.

    I'm not sure if Indy or Chicago would be interested either, but they might. Atleast they are reasonable trade ideas.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    What about this trade? They work financially but I'm not sure if they would be accepted. If so, it would get us well under the cap by the end of the '09-'10 season and we could go after several free agents.

    Trade #1: Zach Randolph to Chicago for Larry Hughes. (Chicago desperately needs a low post threat and they don't want Larry Hughes anymore- they might go for it)

    Trade #2: Eddy Curry and Jamal Crawford to Indiana for Jermaine Oneil. (Jamal is the key here, Jermaine wants out and regardless of the amount of hate Jamal receives on this site, he is probably our most valuable asset)

    Our starting lineup would be:

    PG - ?? (Derrick Rose if we get lucky) (maybe Marbury, would only keep him for expiring contract)
    SG - Larry Hughes
    SF - Wilson Chandler
    PF - David Lee
    C - Jermaine Oneil


    With these trades, Jermaine Oneil, Larry Hughes, Q. Rich, and Jared Jeffries would all come off the books at the end of the '09-'10 season and we could go after Lebron and probably another big time free agent.
    I can see the Chicago trade happening but I don't know if Indy would take on Curry and Crawford. Depends on how bad they want to rid them selves of Oneal. Good idea though.

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    This trade is awesome

    Successful Trade Scenario
    Congratulations on a successful trade.

    Due to Sacramento, New York, and Indiana being over the cap, the 25% trade rule is invoked. Sacramento, New York, and Indiana had to be no more than 125% plus $100,000 of the salary given out for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement.


    Sacramento King gets
    Zach Randolph
    Jermaine ONeil
    Jamaal Tinsley
    Ike Diougu
    #41 pick from Indiana


    Sacramento King give away
    Brad Miller
    Kenny Thomas
    Ron Artest
    Francisco Garcia
    Mikki Moore
    Sharif Abdul Rahim
    #42
    #43


    Sacramento King
    Tinsley/Udrih
    Martin/Douby
    Alexander(#12 lottery pick)Salmons
    Randolph/Williams
    O'Neil/Hawes



    New York Knicks
    get
    Ron Artest
    Kenny Thomas
    Shareef Abdur-Rahim
    Mikki Moore
    Francisco Garcia
    Jeff Foster
    #11 Pick from Indiana
    #42 pick from Sacramento
    #43 pick from Sacramento



    New York Knicks
    give up
    Zach Randolph
    Eddy Curry
    Jamal Crawford
    Jared Jefferies
    #6 pick



    New York Knicks

    Marbury/Augustin(#11)/Robinson
    Garcia/Richardson/Collins
    Artest/Balkman/Gary Fobres(#43 pick)
    Lee/Abdur-Rahim/Thomas
    Foster/Moore/Joey Dorsey(#42 pick)




    Indiana Pacer
    gets
    Brad Miller
    Eddy Curry
    Jamal Crawford
    Jared Jefferies
    #6 pick from New York




    Indiana Pacer
    give up
    Jermaine O'Neil
    Jamaal Tinsley
    Jeff Foster
    Ike Diogu
    #41 pick
    [/COLOR]




    Indiana Pacer

    Crawford/(Bayless, Gordon, Mayo, Lopez, or best available @ #)/Diener
    Dunleavy//Murray
    Granger/Daniels
    Murphy/Jefferies
    Curry/Miller/Harrison


    Foster is an expiring
    Garcia is a good role player/defender/shoot/versitle starting young player local guy
    Abdul Rahim adds PF depth, veteran, offense, cheaper contract than what we gave up
    Same for Thomas, but no offense, defense.
    Artest is worth giving up the 6th pick for.
    At 11 we draft out franchise PG.
    at 42 we a defensive center we've been dying for in Dorsey.
    at 43 we get a polished offensive player in Fobres, Brooklyn kid.

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    I've been thinking... If we make all these trades for the sole purpose of clearing up cap space, no matter how ****ty the roster is afterwards... DO you really think Lebron or any other star free agent would want to come to a team like that?

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    Good point ^, but its New York a city with a good basketball history for the most part. If the money is right the superstars will come.

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    Originally Posted by StEpHoN_mArBuRy
    I've been thinking... If we make all these trades for the sole purpose of clearing up cap space, no matter how ****ty the roster is afterwards... DO you really think Lebron or any other star free agent would want to come to a team like that?
    You gotta do more thinking, any NEW roster is better than the roster we have now. You can't get any worse than this current roster. Do you really think we can? I know Euroleague teams who would have more sucess in the NBA than a team led by the 30% winning percentage Jamal Crawful.

    More thinking is needed if you forgot NY is the biggest NBA market.

    Clearing the cap is a primary objective for Donnie Walsh, whether you like it or not.

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    If our roster is full of young talent that we draft and not overpaid underachiving losers, I think it will be more appealing, oh wait...we don't really have any draft picks left before 2010, most of them traded away, by the anti christ.
    Anyway, seriously do we have anyone on the team you think he wants to play with now? Besides Marbury, who is past his prime, now a shell of former self? Maybe Z-bo, even though he doesn't play def and is a black hole. Ball hog jamaal, and his terrible shooting pct, especially from 3. Eddy no defense curry, I cant score, turn over prone? Jerome "ask the hot dog vender to come downthe the bench please" James. Q-rich, just hasn't had it recently. David lee? He's a slight draw,but not a superstar, but will he be here? What about Robinson? I could see him fit well with lebron, But is he enough to draw him? What about Jefferies and balkman? Just more role players that would leave the scoring burden steadily on Lebrons shoulders. Chandler? Has he shown us anything worthy of attention from lebron?

    Lebron needs spot a up shooter, to hover and spread defense, kind of like gibson and west, and dammon jones(used to be)the knicks have no spot up shooters. he needs a post player kind of like Illgauskas who scores, rebounds and plays defence(imagine that, we know eddy curry can't imagine it)Z-bo and curry? besides the fact they don't play well together, they don't play defense and need the ball to much to suceed with James. Couple defensive,Huslting high energy guys like ben wallace(use to be) varajo and joe smith.Okay we have hustle guys like lee, balkman and jefferies(but they are little help in scoring and haven't really impacted the defense that much) A Pg that is a distrubuting PG and provides some penetration and scoring...like West has potential to be, uhm no one on the knicks distributes like a pg should.
    The cavs could use just one more good scorer to compliment, Ilgauskas and James and delonte west is comming along.
    The cavs -without lebron are a better team then the knicks. SO this current roster needs to go. If we put some young talented pieces together, in 2010 maybe we can land lebron.

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    My blow it the f**k up trade idea:

    Eddy Curry and David Lee to the Cleveland Cavaliers for

    Joe Smith, Damon Joes, a 2008 and 2009 second round pick, and a 2010 first round pick

    The Knicks get two expiring contracts, and they get ALL the picks that Isiah traded away.

    The Cavs get a hardworking powerforward that can rebound and score around the basket.

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    Default I'd take it.

    I'd take it, if the cavs would. Lee is a loss, but no guarantee he'll remain with knicks without us having to throw a boatload at him, making him just another overpaid slightly above avg player on a team of avg players, instead of a great energy player with great value. It's just tough
    to get a team to take on currys contract, plus they'll have to resign david lee.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    You gotta do more thinking, any NEW roster is better than the roster we have now. You can't get any worse than this current roster. Do you really think we can? I know Euroleague teams who would have more sucess in the NBA than a team led by the 30% winning percentage Jamal Crawful.

    More thinking is needed if you forgot NY is the biggest NBA market.

    Clearing the cap is a primary objective for Donnie Walsh, whether you like it or not.


    I see your point... But if we have a roster full of Jared Jeffries type palyers then that definately is a downgrade from what we are now. All im saying is I want to get under the cap but at the same time get players who are atleast halfway decent to be hear to stick around. I dont wanna be one of those teams that has to rely on one man to always ge the job done. I want a actual team. Not he New York Lebrons,etc.

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