Thats low.. Thats so low..
I wanna start by sayin that anyone who thinks im serious with the Telfair stuff is a F*ckin idiot and go hang yourself.
With that bein said, Crawford Sucks.
Crawford might be the most overrated Knick in history. Anyone who gave him a C- or higher in the Knicks Grades Thread I have one question, why?
People on his d*ck like they came out of it. Why does everyone think Crawford is a "B". When you take over 16 and a half shots per game (16.67 to be exact) you should be averagin more then 19.8ppg.
5.8 of these shots are 3 Point attempts. He shoots 4.5 free throws per game.
Im gonna make this easier for everyone to see:
10.9 2pt attempts
5.8 3pt attempts
4.5 free throw attempts
Anyone see whats wrong? Someone recently credited Larry Brown for correcting Crawfords problem of shootin more 3's then free throws. Please void that post.
Lets take a look at another player averaging around 20 points per game. How about Corey Maggette? Not one of my favorite players but we might see somethin interestin here. Crawford sexuals can learn sumthin.
Corey Maggette 2007-08 Stats
You see that?
Crawford-16.67shots per game/19.8ppg
Maggette-13.7shots per game/20.9ppg
Maggettes takin 3 less shots but scorin 1 more point.
Crawford is not only a poor shooter but he shoots too much. He defines the word chucker. Anyone catchin feelings about my facts on Crawford needs to explain why he deserves a "B" to me. I want to know why.
Although stats dont always tell the whole story, they are conclusive enough here. Crawford is arguably the most overrated player in Knicks history. He deserves some heat takin off of him because of the other players on this team but I only talked about his offense. We aint even talkin about his defense or lack of.
hes not my favourite player by no means but that dunt mean we have to hate him. ok hes not a gr8 player but hes our top scorer! at least he plays 110% every night which rare in our team. Marbury is twice the player but he doesnt know the meaning of team.
give credit when credit is due!
Will we ever win a championship again? Id like to think so!
I'm one of the people who gave Crawford a B and here is why.....Jamal is still not shooting efficiently, nor is he playing solid D (name me 4 Knicks who have this season). But he somehow has become the most important player on the team. He is demanding attention from teams best defenders, so opposing coaches have taken notice as well. I can think of twenty or so players in the league I'd like to see as our starting SG, but not one other player on our team I'd like to see start over him. So fine lets call it a low B then, but I think that a B is a fair grade for him. Anyways the official one that is posted by the Newyork Post comes out next week, we'll see what they give him
"I'd Rather Melo shoot with 3 men on him than Jefferies shotting wide open"
-Jeff Van Gundy
You're saying speak nothing but the truth,MSG 33.Crawford doesn't suck, but he definitely is overrated,and he makes a terrible leader.A guy that plays well offensively 1 out of every 5 games and has no D should not lead your team.I have no idea why Isiah Thomas made him the Captain.The captain of your team has to be able to provide leadership, and Crawford's soft play on defense and lack of consistency isn't leadership.I still think we should keep Jamal, cause he's a good shooter, but he definitely needs to work on his D, get his minutes dropped from 41 to 30,and he needs to stop getting all the last second shots.There are other guys on the Knicks that can score down the stretch.Ex:Nate Robinson,Zach Randolph,and Stephon Marbury(when he's healthy).The only reason I gave him a B is cause he's our lead scorer.If Zach was our lead scorer, I would've given Crawford a C,cause as talented as he is, he's one dimensional.If Isiah was smart, he would've made Marbury captain and David Lee the co-captain.
and thread starter, u a f*cking hater cuz u been cosigning jamal the whole month and now u say something stupid so u go back to hating on jamal??
I think your criticisms are well taken. I don't disagree with anything you had to say.
I gave him a B- because other than Nate Robinson, IMO, he's the only other Knick making some progress in his game. His shot selection is improving "a little". If he can continue in that direction, his field goal percentage will rise a few percentage points on a permanent basis as it did for awhile in the last few weeks.
In addition, one thing the Knicks desperately need is a leader. By leader I mean someone that is willing to step up to the plate and take over the game at crunch time, take the potential game winning shot under pressure and hit them often enough to matter, rally the troops when they are down, gain the respect of the other players etc.... Crawford seems to possess all those intangibles in sufficient quantities to take that responsibility on this team. Granted, he's no star. He doesn't have near the same talent or skill as most "elite" team leaders. But on this Knick team he has more of those intangibles than any other player. So I think he deserves some props for stepping to the plate and gaining the respect of his teamates. If he can improve his shot selection further and play a little better defense, he'll be a reasonably valuable player.
Most of my grades were in relation to my expectations. That's why I was willing to give him a decent grade but was less willing to give one to guys like Lee and Balkman. As far as I am concerned, as good as those guys have been at times, they haven't made virtually any progress since last year. My expectations for the team hinged on both of them being much better than last year because they are so young. I am disappointed they aren't better.
Last edited by knicklover; Jan 29, 2008 at 19:27.
PS-read my post on Crawford.I had said he is a good shooter, so what you talking about?I was just agreeing with MSG, cause he brought up some good facts.Every weakness MSG brought up about Crawford is true.
Last edited by abcd; Jan 29, 2008 at 16:24.
Crawford is ok but nothing special. If he didnt score around 20pts consistently his arse would have been kicked a long time ago. Makes poor shot selections and turns the ball over a lot. The last month has saved him i think from being traded or being part of a trade negotiation.
I would give him a C+ so far this season due to his last month.
I agree MSG though, he should be scoring more with the amount of shots he puts up.
You are a very fair poster ABCD and you give credit where its due. NO one has any right to call you a hater. I give Crawford his credit when he earns it. Im not a Crawford hater, I like every player on this team. Im not sayin I dont want to see some players leave cuz I do, its not working but I even like Curry and Jerome James. But theres too many people on here givin Crawford too much credit and like I siad before this thread was way overdue.
F*ck anyone tryin to bring up Marbury and change the subject. Aint none of yall got any b*lls. When it was everyone vs team Starbury I never once tried to change the subject and avoid sh*t. I kept defendin him. I dont think you can give him any worse then a "C" this year. He played better then Crawford. His defense wasnt great but it was there and same with his offense. He never got enough continuos time to show us what he can do but he played average. I wouldnt gave him an A+ like I did, that was a joke. I give him a C+ but I cant see anything lower then a C, thats just ignorant.
THats all im gonna say about Marbury, this thread is about Crawford. I didnt run away when defendin Marbury so Crawford lovers, lets see your arguements.
Yeah but it was going there, you dont say Sh!t about Marbs, but you trash Jamal. I personally don't care what you think about real Knick fans, or Jamal, or any other player on the Knicks, but what you writing about Marbury in other threads makes it sound like Marbs is the MVP of the league. lol. I personally don't like JC either, but I like the effort he is putting in becoming a leader of this squad, something that I will address "Marbury has not done".
He is not doing anything to be a leader lol. He is scoring 20 pts a game and thats it, if he was trying to be a leader he would attempt to play some kind of defence and not throw the ball away every single game.
I know MSG loves Marbury but apart from that he is bringing up stats against other Knick players and the stats dont lie to what he is posting.