u guys rely on box scores too much....and the arguing over crawford is redundant. yeah, the papers say he started as point, but it dosent say what position he played during the games. Crawford played both point and shooting guard, im sure i remember correctly. IMO, he played both 50/50, sometimes he played point because he was forced, other times he just looked like the point guard. Once again, the stats lie. Crawford made many nice passes that were fumbled by david lee, eddy curry, and the leauge rules state that it is the passers fault for not knowing the recievers capabilities. Crawford would have averaged 7 assists easily, but eddy curry couldnt hit a damn hook shot to save his life, jefferies couldnt make a lay in, and zach took 3 pointers when he could have stepped in and hit a 20 footer. Can we please refer to games rather than box scores? Crawford isnt good enough to deserve all of this attention. He isnt overrated, he isnt underrated, he just is jamal crawford. No1 worships him, no1 makes excuses for him. TS members like marbury for his talent, and make excuses for his attitude and corruption, personally, that is not enough for me. You all criticize him for not being a leader...he isnt. Not every1 on the floor is a leader. We have to live with that. Crawford is a starter on the knicks because we suck. He is a role player, he can thrive as a role player, maybe even 6th man if it wasnt for manu. Yeah, crawford sucks....the knicks suck. i guess we can open an official "the new york knicks suck" thread next then? right? cuz i can bring the stats, rankings and everything to shut down any1 who disagrees. Ther eis no I in team, so marbury sucks as well because he couldnt take the knicks anywhere on his own, crawford cant either, and as donnie walsh said, no 1 man can rejuvinate the knicks.
CAP SPACE IN 2010!!!!
Plus, the logic that you use to defend him about his teammates needing to pick up his passes better, Steph has been dealing with his whole career and still managed to post 20 and 8. The overall list of players that Steph played with have not been a very talented group. Crawford has played with more talent with worse results. And on top of that, he does not get better.
Crawford sucks , not because he really sucks. But he sucks because he has about as much talent as most anyone in the league, but does not try and get better mentally. There are guys with half his talent building better careers because they work to improve each year. Crawford is not getting better. And really, it's sad because he could be a really good player if he went to see the Wiz, and requested a brain.
and how can you say he sucks, but agree that he will be a good role player???
i know i wouoldnt want a role player on my team that sucks.
iight let me make this shyt clear, if u a knick im going defend you unless u totally useless.....last time i checked jamal is on the knicks roster, if u wanna say "i love crawford" for just defending jamal then so be it, jamal crawford would make ur favorite player look like a damn fool, if ya two wanna talk about loving players, i would say ya love stephon marbury and sometimes it seems ya like them then the actual knicks...and yea i still believe curry is a problem down low, leadin the whole NBA in points in da point is not a fluke, call it what you what by sayin "we feed the ball to em every possession" well he did something wit the ball and that was put the ball in da basket, for somebody thats as heavy as curry, he sure has athleticism and i still believe he's a problem on the offensive side
Eddy Curry averaged 19 and 7, because he played a career high 35 minutes, and because he was so turnover prone on the floor ; the team was basically forced into giving him the ball. You must also take into account that Lee, Richardson, Crawford, and Jeffries all missed a lot of games, that season, and Curry ended up getting more field goal attempts, as a result.
What NBA player you know that doesn't have improved statistics, with more minutes and more field goal attempts?
The bottom line is Curry is a liability, because he doesn't score those points in a natural way.
He has to commit lots of turnovers, you have to give him the ball every time down low, and he doesn't make his teammates better, due to his inability to pass the ball out of double teams. He also plays no defense, which makes his points far less valuable than they look on paper. Someone that averages 19 points, 7 rebounds, 2 blocks, 1 steal and 3 assists is going to have more impact with their points than someone like Curry, who averages .5 blocks, .5 assists, and .3 steals.
You can't say Marbury's a liability, on the court, because he knows how to score, and because he knows how to pass the ball. He also knows how to fight over screens, and he has lots of games where his defense looks sharp. You can say he has attitude problems and that he's a cancer, but he doesn't make his teammates worse, when he's on the court. That's Curry's specialty.
Curry actually lowered Marbury's, Crawford's, Lee's, and Randolph's assists numbers, due to all of his turnovers that he would commit, and all of his missed field goals, after they would give him crisp passes.
You can't say Curry passes the ball, because he doesn't. You can't say Curry fights over screens, because the pick and roll is a play that Curry has never been able to defend. You can't say that Curry has lots of games where his defense looks sharp, because most of the time, Curry doesn't even get a steal, or a block.
Curry's 19 and 7 was a fluke. That's why he didn't do it last year, and that's why he will never do it again.
Crawford's 20 and 5 was also a fluke. He would have never averaged those points, if Marbury, Quentin Richardson, and Eddy Curry played the entire season.
Last edited by abcd; Aug 26, 2008 at 20:46.
I know Curry's 19 and 7 season was a fluke. I'm not being a hater. I'm being a realist.
Does Zach Randolph shoot Curry's free throws?
Does Zach Randolph pass the ball for Curry?
Does Zach Randolph defend the paint for Curry?
Does Zach Randolph miss field goals for Curry?
No, so Curry has nobody to blame but himself, for why he played so bad last season.
Curry averaged 32 minutes per game, for the first two months of the season. He played so bad, he got benched.
i did bring up marbury but i didnt say anything about his game, i expect curry to do well dis year wit the new rule of the defender being penalized for flopping