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    Game Thread New York Knicks vs Seattle Sonics Game Thread

    The New York Knicks(14-32) vs The Seattle Supersonics(11-35)
    Fri. 2/2 at 10:00pm ET on MSG


    Welcome to the MSGKnickz33 Pregame show, Im your host Jazzy Jeff and were here to take a look at Friday nights matchup. The Sonics have suprised everyone by winning 2 straight over the Spurs and the Cavs, the 2 teams that battled for the championship last year. Previous to that the Sonics had a 14 game losing streak. The Knicks lost their 4th straight game lasat night against the Portland Trail Blazers in overtime. The Knicks poor shooting finally caught up with them in overtimes as the Blazers were able to finish them off. They have now lost their first 4 of 5 games on this West coast trip.



    STARTING LINEUPS

    The Seattle Supersonics

    pg-Earl Watson
    sg-Kevin Durant
    sf-Jeff Green
    pf-Chris Wilcox
    C-Kurt Thomas


    AND NOW YOUR NEW YORK KNICKERBOCKERS!!!!

    AT POINT GUARD JAMAL CRAWFORD
    AT SHOOTING GUARD FRED JONES
    AT SMALL FORWARD QUENTIN RICHARDSON
    AT POWER FORWARD ZACH RANDOLPH
    AT CENTER EDDY CURRY


    *Quentin Richardson and Eddy Curry are listed as day to day
    *Wally Szczerbiak and Chris Wilcox are listed as day to day

    MSG33 PresEnTs the KeY MatChuP: Kevin Durant vs Jamal Crawford






    As everyone knows by now this is the toughest part of the game thread. Im considering Crawford as a shooting guard because of the minutes Nate Robinson gets off the bench. I probably should have went with Zach Randolph vs Chris Wilcox but I told TheKidd that I would have someone else besides Randolph in the Key Matchup. Durant as a rookie has a similar build to Crawford but hes already a better shooter.

    Jamal Last 5 Games

    46mpg
    20ppg
    33.6fg%
    27% 3P
    5.4apg
    1.2topg
    22 field goal attempts per game

    Kevin Durant Last 5 Games

    33.4mpg
    22.2ppg
    43.4fg%
    8 3P%(1-12)
    3.8rpg
    3topg
    1bpg
    1.6spg

    Some very ugly numbers for Crawford. Suprisingly his turnovers have been low. As much as Crawford sucks these numbers are not all his fault. Look at his minutes per game. I think its time his father Isiah lets his son rest and gives some minutes to Wilson Chandler. When a player is only shooting 33.6% on 22 field goal attempts per game its the coaches job to step in and do something about this.

    Kevin Durant has been turnover prone and terrible from 3 point range but other then that his numbers look good. He is very elusive and at 6'9" he will be a tough cover. Balkman showed he can do a good job in the summer league games. Back on Dec. 12 Durant scored 30pts(11-20) while Balkman only played 5 minutes. Isiah needs to start taking notes.

    The Official MSG33 Pregame Strategy:
    • Prepare for a battle down low!!!!! Sonics are the best rebounding team in the NBA(45rpg)
    • Be Aware!!!! Sonics average the 4th largest amount of turnovers per game in the league (15.95), Look for steals and sloppy play
    • Put Balkman on Kevin Durant
    • If Wally Szczerbiak plays, do not leave him open!!!



    Player Spotlight



    Mardy Collins has come up in recent discussions. Some still believe in him while others have given up on him.



    Mardy Collins gives a good hard foul (no homo)

    Collins played great at the end of last year. He was passing the ball, showing leadership, rebounding, and defenending well. This year he hasnt been able to get things going. Lets take a look at what hes done over the past 5 games:

    Mardy Collins Last 5 Games

    15.2mpg
    2.6ppg
    2.4rpg
    2apg
    28.6fg%

    These numbers are ugly. Even if you double them hes still not productive. Does he need more consecutive minutes or did fans overrate him going into this season? Last year Mardy Collins averaged 15.1 minutes per game for the season. Lets see if his numbers were any better since the minutes are almost the same.

    15.1mpg
    4.5ppg
    2rpg
    1.6apg
    38.2fg%

    Somewhat better but to get a true understanding of what Mardy might be capable of you have to look at his numbers from last April.

    44.1mpg
    14.8ppg
    6.7rpg
    4.7apg
    39.2fg%
    2spg
    4topg

    He played very good defense as well last April. The turnovers were high but hes still only in his second year now. Does Mardy still deserve a chance with his weak statistics this year?


    Eastern Conference Standings

    1. Celtics(36-8)
    2. Pistons(33-13)-4GB
    3. Magic(30-18)-8GB
    4. Cavs(25-20)-11.5GB
    5. Raptors(25-21)12GB
    6. Wizards(24-21)12.5GB
    7. Nets(20-26)17GB
    8. Hawks(18-24)17GB
    9. Pacers(19-28)18.5GB
    10. Bulls(18-27)18.5GB
    11. Bucks(18-29)19.5GB
    12. Bobcats(18-29)19.5GB
    13. 76ers(18-29)19.5GB
    14. Knicks(14-32)23GB
    15. Heat(9-36)27.5GB


    The Official Playoff Race: Knicks are 6 games out


    Lets compare numbers from the first 4 months of the NBA season.

    November(5-11):Opponents Points per game=101.5
    93.1ppg,43.4rpg,17apg,42.9fg%,32.2%3P,70.2FT%,6.9s pg,3.2bpg

    December(3-11):Opponents Points per game=102.6
    94.6ppg,41.3rpg,16.4apg,42.6fg%,33.1%3P,70.7FT%,6. 7spg,1.5bpg

    January(6-10):Opponents Points per game=98.8
    96.4ppg,40.4rpg,21.3apg,46.1fg%,35.2%3P,74.4FT%,5. 8spg,2.3bpg

    February(0-1):Opponents Points per game=94
    88ppg,55rpg,12apg,39.4fg%,11.8%3P,80FT%,3spg,4bpg

    As we see the Knicks rebounds and free throw shooting is off to a good start for the month of February. Other then that they did a bad job of moving the ball against Seattle and scoring from the perimeter. At the end of the day the only thing that counts is that the Knicks are 0-1 so far in February and they are 14-32 on the season.

    SuperSonics Top 3 Point shooters
    1. Szczerbiak-41.1%
    2. Watson-35.7%
    3. West-35.6%
    4. Wilkins-32.7%
    5. Durant-28%
    6. Ridnour-20%

    Should not be too much to worry about here. Seattle is the 6th worst 3 point shooting team in the league.

    If Wally Szczerbiak plays the Knicks need to stick to him like glue. Shooters have killed the Knicks all season long. I can see Wally going for 25 to 30 points. Kurt Thomas and his tough defense will slow down whoever plays center for the Knicks which could be Randolph, Curry, or Lee. Earl Watson is known as a tough point guard defensively. We'll see how he matches up with Nate/Crawford. Same goes for Delonte West, the former Celtic. Damien Wilkins is not what his father or uncle was but hes had a couple of big games this year so you can't forget about him.

    You dont know what to expect from Chris Wilcox. On some nights he'll go for 20 points and 12 rebounds; other nights he disappears. He is more athletic then Zach Randolph but Zachs the more skilled of the 2. This might be a good matchup to watch. Nick Collison is a serviceable bigman averaging similar numbers to David Lee. Jeff Green is an explosive rookie who will dunk on you if your in his way. He has no perimeter game but he has a good shoots well (43.4fg%). Johan Petro is a good shotblocker and Luke Ridnour is a good passer.



    Throwback HipHop Video of the Day:

    Artist:Eric B. and Rakim
    Title:As the Rhyme Goes On
    Album:Paid in Full
    Year:1987



    That does it for my pregame show. I thank everyone for joining me and remember to tune in Saturday night to catch the Knicks and the Sonics.

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    I do not know how the Knicks are going to win this game.Nobody has respect for the Knicks, in the NBA, and teams know that all they have to do is drive to the rim, and they'll get easy lay ups and dunks.Even coach Nate McMillan was saying this to the Trailblazers, when they were down by double digits, late in the game.I doubt the Sonics won't exploit this weakness,and I look for Durant to son Jamal Crawford.The only hope the Knicks have of winning this game is if the Sonics shoot below 38% from the field for the game.If they even shoot 40%, they'll get the win.

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    the knicks will win this one.
    Isiah has stopped being an ass with Balkman and continues to give him minutes. He will shut down Durant tonight.

    By the way - Imagine if Balkman had landed that MONSTER dunk on Prybilla - that would have been the dunk of the century lol

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    Nice addition with the arena. I think we gunna win tonight, even though yesterdays game was long, and the result wasn't good. Curry, and Q Rich are probably still out with the flu, so David Lee, and Balkman will get their well deserved minutes.

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    Knicks will win this one. I expect Crawford to score big today cause he is a incosistent mofo.
    Lee to get another double double and Isiah to get a large coke thrown at his head when going to the locker

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    to me durant is just a taller version of jamal crawford

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    to me durant is just a taller version of jamal crawford
    True, but Durant is only a rookie who is playing by like a notable seven year vet, Crawford is a seven yearvet playing like a very promising Rookie!

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    How can I did I forget to big you up with the Rakim video! I wouldve prefered Know The Ledge, but I don't think this Knick squad is worthy of such a classic.

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    Originally Posted by New New York
    How can I did I forget to big you up with the Rakim video! I wouldve prefered Know The Ledge, but I don't think this Knick squad is worthy of such a classic.
    Know the Ledge will be coming up, stay tuned.

    The official MSG33 Prediction

    Crawford-17pts(34fg%,25%3P,3TO)
    Randolph-17pts(44fg%),11rbs,5TO
    Robinson-14pts,6asts
    Lee-10pts,14rbs

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    haha yeah man very good point on the craw situation. he is a 7 year vet playing like a promising rookie. which brings me to a trade idea send him back home to seattle with Malik Rose and Wilson Chandler for Watson (or Ridnour) and Delonte West. gives them a year off the guards contract and gets them somethin in return for West who wants out.

    btw, i miss marbury. i hate to admit it but i do. his D and yes i must say.. passing ability.. 8 assists the whole first half? thats embarassing/

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    Originally Posted by NYKnicks15

    btw, i miss marbury. i hate to admit it but i do. his D and yes i must say.. passing ability.. 8 assists the whole first half? thats embarassing/
    wasnt like stephon was racking up the assists either

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    wasnt like stephon was racking up the assists either
    He wasn't racking up assists, but he was trying to.It's just that when you got inconsistent Crawford,inconsistent Richardson,no passing ability Zach Randolph, and no passing ability Curry, it makes it hard to get others involved.In my opinion, not even Steve Nash could average high assits/game on the Knicks.I mean,Jamal Crawford is our lead assist man, and he attempts almost 17 shots per game.That tells you how unreliable the Knicks can be, when you pass them the ball.

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    I think the Knicks did the right thing by giving Zach the ball, for the last shot.The mistake the Knicks made was that they didn't get themselves open for a shot, in case Randolph got double teamed.Nate had a good look, but you don't want a player that hurt their quadricep to have to hoist up a 3 at the end.In a way, this losing streak isn't so bad.It tells people that the Knicks aren't better without Marbury.Like Marbury or not, he can score, pass, and makes Crawford's minutes go down, because you have a guy that can play the point guard position.Without him, you have to overplay Crawford, and you risk him either being injured or not being effective, because of fatigue.Also, you make it easier for your oponent to drive to the basket, because you don't have a guy that can fight over screens, like Marbury does.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    He wasn't racking up assists, but he was trying to.It's just that when you got inconsistent Crawford,inconsistent Richardson,no passing ability Zach Randolph, and no passing ability Curry, it makes it hard to get others involved.In my opinion, not even Steve Nash could average high assits/game on the Knicks.I mean,Jamal Crawford is our lead assist man, and he attempts almost 17 shots per game.That tells you how unreliable the Knicks can be, when you pass them the ball.
    i totally disagree, ever since stephon has gone down wit the injury, the assist per game as team has gone so much higher and its been obvious, the ball is moving so much quicker and smoother

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    i totally disagree, ever since stephon has gone down wit the injury, the assist per game as team has gone so much higher and its been obvious, the ball is moving so much quicker and smoother
    If what you're saying is true, then why have the Knicks lost 5 in a row?The ball movement has not improved, since Marbury left.Everyone has actually been saying that the Knicks have played with good ball movement, until the fourth quarter, where they start to play 1 on 1, and it's showed, hence the 5 game losing streak.The stats are decieving, because a lot of why the Knicks are averaging more assists, is cause Nate has become a better distributer.But as we've seen, he doesn't like to pass the ball in the 4th quarter, and neither does Crawford.I'm not trying to attack Nate, cause he's been great, and I think he deserves to start, but he still has a long way to go before he can be considered a pure point guard.A few games where he has high assists doesn't prove he can do this on a consistent basis.Marbury has averaged 8 assists for most of his career.Nobody on the Knicks is currently averaging above 4.That tells you something.The main reason the offense has been going more smoothly is because they've minimized their turnovers.But Marbury has nothing to do with their turnover problems, cause he only played 24 games this season, and only averages
    2 to per game-a low number for a guy that played 33.5 mpg.
    Last edited by abcd; Feb 03, 2008 at 01:35.

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