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  • Zach Randolph

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  • Jamal Crawford

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  • Eddy Curry

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  • Nate Robinson

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  • David Lee

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Thread: Indiana Pacers vs New York Knicks Game Thread 2/5

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    Default Indiana Pacers vs New York Knicks Game Thread 2/5

    The Indiana Pacers(19-29) vs The New York Knicks(14-34)
    Wed. 2/6 at 7:30pm ET on MSG




    Welcome to the MSGKnickz33 Pregame show, Im your host Jazzy Jeff and were here to take a look at Wednesday nights matchup. The Knicks have now lost 6 games in a row. They sufferred another dissapointing loss against the now 15-30 LA Clippers. Nate Robinson did not play. Maybe he could have made a difference but Crawfords poor shooting is what lost the game for the Knicks. There was too much 1 on 1 in the 2nd half and not enough ball movement.




    STARTING LINEUPS

    The Indiana Pacers

    pg-Jamaal Tinsley
    sg-Kareem Rush
    sf-Mike Dunleavy
    pf-Danny Granger
    C-Troy Murphy


    AND NOW YOUR NEW YORK KNICKERBOCKERS!!!!

    AT POINT GUARD JAMAL CRAWFORD
    AT SHOOTING GUARD FRED JONES
    AT SMALL FORWARD QUENTIN RICHARDSON
    AT POWER FORWARD ZACH RANDOLPH
    AT CENTER EDDY CURRY


    *Quentin Richardson and Nate Robinson are listed as day to day
    *Travis Deiner is listed as day to day
    *Jermaine O'Neil - Knee (Out Indefinitely)

    MSG33 PresEnTs the KeY MatChuP: Troy Murphy vs Eddy Curry








    Curry hasnt been playing to well lately but I think hes due for a good game. Troy Murphy does not have the size to guard Curry, not that many players do, but hes also a below average defender. Eddy needs to come out aggresive. Indiana does not play any defense so he should be able to get 24 and 10 easily. Will we see these numbers? Probably not.

    Eddy Curry Last 5 Games

    *Stats not including 4 min. played vs Utah

    23.4mpg
    15.2ppg
    65.7fg%
    4rpg
    .4bpg

    The most suprising stat here is that Curry has only averaged 23.4 minutes per game over the last 5 games and thats excluding the game against the Utah Jazz where he only played 4 minutes. Currys lack of desire for rebounds is embarrassing. He has the build of a franchise player but the softness of a pillow. Playing against a soft team like the Pacers presents Curry with the oppertunity to show that he can occasionally score and rebound. Alot of people thought Curry played great last year. I thought he still played poor but this year has been a 2 on a scale from 1 to 10.

    Troy Murphy Last 5 Games

    25.8mpg
    11.8ppg
    45.4fg%
    41.7 3P%(1-12)
    7.2rpg
    1.6topg
    .4bpg
    .6spg

    In 2.4 more minutes then Curry Murphy has managed to average 3.2 more rebounds.

    Murphy-6'11" 245
    Curry-6'11" 285

    Theres more then one factor involved with Currys poor season. His conditioning is definitly part of it but even if he was in good shape he hasnt show much heart. Curry should be a couple of levels up from Troy Murphy but instead Murphy>>>Curry.

    The Official MSG33 Pregame Strategy:
    • Look to play more of a team game for 4 quarters. Their called the New York Knicks, not the New York Crawfords
    • Defense!!!! Pacers=7th best offense(103.4ppg)
    • Offense!!!! Pacers=3rd worst defense(105.4oppg)
    • Dec.17, Knicks vs Pacers-Dunleavy scores career high 36pts.......dont ever let this happen again



    Player Spotlight



    Jamal Crawford has been struggling........again. At this point he has now earned the title of the most overrated Knick in franchise player. Theres people out there that actually think hes the best player on the team (This is not directed to anyone on here, just Knick fans I personally know).




    Jamal Crawford signs an endorsement deal with the local circus.

    Crawford has struggled with his shot. His father needs to cut back his minutes or tell him to pass more. Jamal went 7-21 Monday night against the Clippers.

    Jamal Crawford Last 5 Games

    • 44.4mpg
    • 20.4ppg
    • 34.5fg%
    • 29.7%3P
    • 4.6apg
    • 0 defense
    • 7.6 shots made per game
    • 22 shots attempted per game


    Ugly numbers from Crawford.

    Crawfords season stats

    • 41.5mpg
    • 19.9ppg
    • 41.1fg%
    • 33.6%3P
    • 2.57topg
    • 7.04 shots made per game
    • 17.15 shots attempted per game
    • 3.8 free throws made per game
    • 4.4 free throws attempted per game
    • 2 3pt made per game
    • 6 3pt attempts per game


    As we see hes scoring but its taking him over 17 shots to score 20 points and keep in mind that he gets almost 4 points a game from the line so with those 17 shots hes really only scoring 16 points.


    Eastern Conference Standings

    1. Celtics(36-8)
    2. Pistons(34-13)-3.5GB
    3. Magic(31-19)-8GB
    4. Cavs(26-20)-11GB
    5. Raptors(26-21)11.5GB
    6. Wizards(24-22)13GB
    7. Hawks(20-24)16GB
    8. Nets(20-27)17.5GB
    9. Bulls(19-28)18.5GB
    10. Pacers(19-29)19GB
    11. 76ers(18-30)20GB
    12. Bucks(18-30)20GB
    13. Bobcats(18-31)20.5GB
    14. Knicks(14-34)24GB
    15. Heat(9-37)28GB


    The Official Playoff Race: Knicks are 6.5 games out

    *This stat will be here until the Knicks are mathematically eliminated from the playoffs

    Lets compare numbers from the first 4 months of the NBA season.

    November(5-11):Opponents Points per game=101.5
    93.1ppg,43.4rpg,17apg,42.9fg%,32.2%3P,70.2FT%,6.9s pg,3.2bpg

    December(3-11):Opponents Points per game=102.6
    94.6ppg,41.3rpg,16.4apg,42.6fg%,33.1%3P,70.7FT%,6. 7spg,1.5bpg

    January(6-10):Opponents Points per game=98.8
    96.4ppg,40.4rpg,21.3apg,46.1fg%,35.2%3P,74.4FT%,5. 8spg,2.2bpg

    February(0-3):Opponents Points per game=94.3
    89ppg,41.3rpg,16apg,44.3fg%,26.4%3P,69.2FT%,5.3spg ,2.7bpg

    The Ball movement has slowed down and the Knicks are struggling to make 3 pointers.


    SuperSonics Top 3 Point shooters
    1. Andre Owens-48.6%
    2. Kareem Rush-40.8%
    3. Mike Dunleavy-40.3%
    4. Danny Granger-38.7%
    5. Troy Murphy-37.8%
    6. Shawne Williams-36.6%

    The Pacers have some players who can hit some 3's. The Knicks better be ready to play some perimeter defense if they want any chance of winning this game.

    With Jermaine O'neil injured, the Knicks primary concerns are Danny Granger and Mike Dunleavy who are both averaging 17.8 points per game. Jamal Tinsley is averaging 8.5 assists per game which is because of the good shooters surrounding him. If he was on the Knicks his assists would be cut back to between 5 and 6 per game. Look for the Pacers to bring Ike Diogu off the bench to guard Curry and Randolph. At 6'8" he might not have the height but he weighs 255 pounds so he might be able to slow them down.

    Look for Jeff Foster to come off the bench and control the boards. Hes one of the best rebounders in the NBA. Marquis Daniels is capable of coming off the bench and making an impact. David Harrison is the 3rd backup center for the Pacers. He averages 1 block in only 12.5 minutes per game. Players like Travis Deiner usually get career highs against the Knicks.



    Throwback HipHop Video of the Day:

    Artist:Marley Marl ft. Masta Ace, Craig G, Kool G Rap, Big Daddy Kane
    Title:The Symphony
    Album:In Control Volume 1
    Year:1988



    *Who had the best verse in this historical classic? Im goin with Kool G Rap


    That does it for my pregame show. I thank everyone for joining me and remember to tune in Wednesday night to catch the Knicks and the Pacers.

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    wow huge game thread, great job. For your poll I voted Nate Robinson, not the most consistent but he can drive on the defender. Pacers will beat the Knicks so 7 game loosing streak here we come.

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    after last night no doubt we gonna lose...and Nate Robinson...even dow hes been rusty last few games

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    Originally Posted by nyKnicks126
    wow huge game thread, great job. For your poll I voted Nate Robinson, not the most consistent but he can drive on the defender. Pacers will beat the Knicks so 7 game loosing streak here we come.
    I think Nate Robinson has been the best player on the team in 2008 with David Lee in 2nd. The Pacers actually also have a 6 game losing streak which will be a 7 game losing streak after they play the Spurs tonight. In my opening paragraph there is no mention of the Pacers because of this. It will be updated tomorrow afternoon by 2:30pm ET along with the standings.

    Co-sign your last sentence. The losing streak will continue against the high scoring Pacers. By the way, is Bird or Walsh the gm of the Pacers? Or is it both of them? I think Walsh is the owner and Birds the gm, right? Well whoever the Pacers gm is can be added to the list of gms that suck but of course none of them are as bad as Isiah. Kevin Mcchale might be the 2nd worst gm, or Michael Jordan.

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    Nice game thread as always. You have to take Jamal's minutes into account when you look at his shooting %. Only AI plays more minutes then Jamal and as we all know AI is not exactly known for his stellar shooting % either. In the poll I voted for Curry because I still believe you run your offense from inside out starting with your bigs.

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    Yeah but the idea that you are missing is the Eddy Curry is bummed out, and he is one of the worst defensive PLAYERS of all time. Not to mention his rebounds. Why vote for the least improved player on the team?

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    In the poll I voted for Curry because I still believe you run your offense from inside out starting with your bigs.
    curry's problem is the 24sec clock... it's not enough time to run (well maybe waddle) upcourt, and plant his fat-ass in the paint.. 285lbs... maybe when he was 14... this fat-fuk is scaling well into the 300's

    lose some weight you fat-fuk..

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    Originally Posted by jimkcchief88
    Nice game thread as always. You have to take Jamal's minutes into account when you look at his shooting %. Only AI plays more minutes then Jamal and as we all know AI is not exactly known for his stellar shooting % either. In the poll I voted for Curry because I still believe you run your offense from inside out starting with your bigs.
    I disagree with almost everything. Crawford vs Iverson:

    Crawford

    41.5mpg
    19.9ppg
    41.1fg%
    33.6%3P
    2.57topg
    7.04 shots made per game
    17.15 shots attempted per game
    3.8 free throws made per game
    4.4 free throws attempted per game
    2 3pt made per game
    6 3pt attempts per game

    Iverson

    42mpg
    26.9ppg
    44.7fg%
    32%3P
    3.3topg
    8.3 shots made per game
    19.7 shots attempted per game
    8.2 free throws made per game
    10 free throws attempted per game
    1.04 3pt made per game
    3.25 3pt attempted per game

    Iverson is a better shooter and he takes less 3's. Hes been playing big minutes his whole career and is still way better then Crawford. Iverson shoots 1.6% worse from the perimeter but at least hes smart enough to only take 3.25 3pt attempts per game.

    Iverson is a better team player. Hes averaging 7.1 assists per game.

    Crawford doesnt even play defense. Iverson averages 2.3 steals per game but more importantly he can keep him opponent in front of him. It is unfair to make excuses for Crawford because of his high minutes and even Isiah would agree with this. He said it use to be normal for starters to be playing around 41 or 42 minutes a game. Thats the difference now, the average player has a softer mentality. They use back to back games as an excuse for being tired.

    You know what, Im not gonna say anything about you sayin we should run the offense through Curry because the options arent exactly that good which is why I made it a poll question. Nate Robinson is averaging 1.41 turnovers a game in 24 minutes of play. I think he should be the starting point guard until Marbury comes back/a trade is made for another point guard (excluding Jason Williams, Bibby, and Ridnour). Im still not sure if Nate is ready to run the offense but hes the best option in the poll question.

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    The thing that I got to say about Jamal Crawford is that if he looked for his shot, instead of just chucking shots up, he would help himself, and the team out. To bad Isiaherr doesn't tell him to LOOK for his shot.

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    After yet another dissapointing loss yesterday to the clips the knicks are prob destined to lose again. hopefully we can take indiana tonight, who every since jermaine oneal injured his knee have not been doin to well. i hope eddy and score more points then he will give up tonight lol. and i agree that crawford is the most overrated knicks player on this team. he needs to know the difference between a good shot and a bad shot. his pathetic 3 point attempt against the clips(after powell made the shot while the shot clock waz expirin near the end of the 4th quarter) shows he still loves chuckin up bad shots. that miss costed new york the game

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    Eastern Conference Standings
    1. Celtics(36-8)
    2. Pistons(34-13)-3.5GB
    3. Magic(31-19)-8GB
    4. Cavs(26-20)-11GB
    5. Raptors(26-21)11.5GB
    6. Wizards(24-22)13GB
    7. Hawks(20-24)16GB
    8. Nets(20-27)17.5GB
    9. Bulls(19-28)18.5GB
    10. Pacers(19-29)19GB
    11. 76ers(18-30)20GB
    12. Bucks(18-30)20GB
    13. Bobcats(18-31)20.5GB
    14. Knicks(14-34)24GB o
    15. Heat(9-37)28GB
    The Official Playoff Race: o= eliminated from playoff contention.

    YO, I GOTTA GIVE YOU THE PROPS, MSG! You showed the Curry incident. lol
    Another great thread.I gave this thread 5 stars. You made one mistake, though. You forgot to put an o next to the Knicks. lol You might as well do it. The Knicks aren't going nowhere, and even Isiah knows it, even though he doesn't look like he knows.
    Last edited by abcd; Feb 05, 2008 at 19:01.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    Eastern Conference Standings
    1. Celtics(36-8)
    2. Pistons(34-13)-3.5GB
    3. Magic(31-19)-8GB
    4. Cavs(26-20)-11GB
    5. Raptors(26-21)11.5GB
    6. Wizards(24-22)13GB
    7. Hawks(20-24)16GB
    8. Nets(20-27)17.5GB
    9. Bulls(19-28)18.5GB
    10. Pacers(19-29)19GB
    11. 76ers(18-30)20GB
    12. Bucks(18-30)20GB
    13. Bobcats(18-31)20.5GB
    14. Knicks(14-34)24GB o
    15. Heat(9-37)28GB
    The Official Playoff Race: o= eliminated from playoff contention.

    YO, I GOTTA GIVE YOU THE PROPS, MSG! You showed the Curry incident. lol
    Another great thread.I gave this thread 5 stars. You made one mistake, though. You forgot to put an o next to the Knicks. lol You might as well do it. The Knicks aren't going nowhere, and even Isiah knows it, even though he doesn't look like he knows.
    By Curry incident do you mean his weak stats or my pictures of his house and the robbers? or the dinosaur? Im guessin your referrin to his stats but all 3 of them work. curry himself is an incident.

    This game thread was not suppose to be funny but it might be impossible to avoid criticism at this point. I cant only bring up nate and Lee every game thread, their not even in the starting lineup. If they were it would help me out with my key matchups. After reaching a new low stating that Shaq>>>Curry a couple of weeks ago, it just got worse.

    Jerome James>>>Curry (it gets no worse, or does it?).....to be continued.
    Last edited by MSGKnickz33; Feb 05, 2008 at 23:01.

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    The only reason to follow the Knicks at this point is because of MSG's game threads. Its sad really, he makes such good game threads for ****tiest team in sports. I gotta give my crown to MSG, respectfully.

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    Originally Posted by metrocard
    The only reason to follow the Knicks at this point is because of MSG's game threads. Its sad really, he makes such good game threads for ****tiest team in sports. I gotta give my crown to MSG, respectfully.
    Thanks man its gettin tough with the losses to continue to make them at a high qualitiy but im just tryin to stick to the current format I have. The one thing I need to add is upcoming games or should i say upcoming losses. I cant except your crown but I get Prodigys Gold mac which is the 2nd highest honor. I cant find a picture of it but he has it on this video. You see it within the first 30 seconds of the video when they show a group picture of everyone in the song.


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    Originally Posted by MSGKnickz33
    By Curry incident do you mean his weak stats or my pictures of his house and the robbers? or the pic of him as a dinosaur sittin on top of Msg? Im guessin your referrin to his stats but all 3 of them work. curry himself is an incident.

    This game thread was not suppose to be funny but it might be impossible to avoid criticism at this point. I cant only bring up nate and Lee every game thread, their not even in the starting lineup. If they were it would help me out with my key matchups. After reaching a new low stating that Shaq>>>Curry a couple of weeks ago, it just got worse.

    Jerome James>>>Curry (it gets no worse, or does it?).....to be continued.
    The picture of the house and the robbers. lol And I argree. James is >>>>>>>Curry. At least James never gets any minutes, so he doesn't play as horrible as Curry. Plus he's a better defender.

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