You are the worst poster on here, tellin me im not talkin about facts. The first post of this thread is nothin but facts. I dont believe that you really think DW is better then CP3, and that KG is "far" better then Amare and Dwight, I think your just sayin this to provoke another argument. This time I will be postin no stats, I have learned that you are no where near my level as a poster and that you cant admit defeat.
You show no respect, even where its due. It dont matter if you dislike what I post, you have to admit I came with some good stats. You kept bitchin about how DW always outplays CP3, well in 2 games this year Williams has sucked against Daniel Gibson. None of this means anything, the only thing that counts is how a player does throughout the 82 games of a season, it is a FACT that Paul is better then Williams. **** outta here kid.
He has 216 and hasn't said anything meaningful. Another W for MSG, Pancakes for his 216th L.
Here are some Stan Van Gundy quotes From Feb 11 on Dwight Howard and his d. Stan Van Gundy by the way is Dwight Howard's coach in case you didn't know.
"His focus isnít where it needs to be. I donít think, right now, weíre on the same page to be quite honest. I think his priorities need to be defense and rebounding. Weíre 22-2 when he blocks three shots or more and heís got five blocks in the last six games so heís not focusing on coming to help.
He had 23 15-plus rebounds in the first 41 games and he has one in the past 12 games. He didnít even have a double-figure rebounding game (on Monday). Itís a matter of focus and his focus is on the offensive end and he gets discouraged when he doesnít get the ball. I donít think, I know, that the numbers prove that what we need him to focus on to win is defense and rebounding. But thatís not what he wants to do right now, so we have a little bit of a conflict."
Van Gundy even went so far as to bench his franchise player as a result of his lack of defensive effort and intensity. To Dwight Howard's credit he not only took being called out in stride but also agreed with his coach.
"I get frustrated a little bit, but I have to do whatís right for our team. I need to do what will help our team win, which is rebound, play great defense and be active. I know that. Iím not worried about him sitting me down. His point was that he needs me to play hard so that my teammates see me playing hard. If Iím not playing hard and doing the things the team needs, weíre not going to win. To help the team I have to step up every night and be the catalyst at both ends of the floor.íí
Then this past week after being matched up with Chris Bosh and having Bosh eat his lunch, Van Gundy said after the game that "Bosh destroyed Howard".
More Van Gundy thoughts after the Magic played the Raptors...
ďThere was not one thing they did that we could guard. Chris Bosh we could not guard, we didnít have anybody that could guard him, weíll have to think about double-teaming him next time. I thought Dwight (Howard) could guard him a little bit but he obviously could not. We could not guard (Jose) Calderon on the pick-and-roll at all and we did not close out on their shooters. There wasnít one thing we did defensively tonight that impacted them whatsoever. We didnít have much trouble getting good shots and scoring, thatís not the issue against this team. Weíve got to be able to guard them, we could not and end of story"
So MSG when it comes to comparing KG and Dwight Howard as defensive players and saying something as retarded and ignorant as Howard is just as good as Garnett it is you that needs to get the **** outta here.
You came real ****y, and the ego was high, but I shot it all down with the MAC 10. Im not sure why Im still respondin to your posts, since you dont even read most of mine. F*ck outta here kid, stop bitin my ****. Get off my dick kid.
idk what ya talking about but i'll take KG today over dwight howard easy, KG's intesity and pride can't be measured, he's hungry for a Ring, and KG play 150% every possession
coach to call out their franchise player like that. Howard must have been a dog on d more often then not for Van Gundy to rip him publicly like that.
You're hot stuff MSG I gotta hand it to ya, you just never back down no matter how wrong you are. So go ahead and believe that Dwight Howard is almost as good as KG defensively, I mean really some people also believe Jesus is coming back to earth this year ya know?
Also if you recall I believe last season even Eddy Curry had some huge games against Howard . Speaking of Curry and Howard, Dwight may not play much d right now but I guarantee you that with a coach like Stan Van Gundy and tutor like Patrick Ewing it won't be long before he becomes a beast on the d. Meanwhile Isiah and his minions I don't think have spent an hour with Curry trying to motivate him and teach him to play d. Eddy Curry is awful but he should not be this bad. Another reason why Isiah is a horrible coach.
I have never been wrong when arguing with you, I was right with the Marbury debates and Paul vs Williams. This is the 1st time where good arguments can be made either way. Opinions are accepted here, were not dealing with facts like Chris Paul bein better then Williams.
Im suprised your not tryin to say Dirk is better then all of them, your not stickin to your light-skin tendencies this time.
Howards slump was from Feb. 1 to Feb 11th, where he averaged only .83 blocks per game.
Since Van Gundy talked to him, hes averaged 2.5 blocks per game.
****in idiot, "Bosh Destroyed Howard"
Bosh scored 3 more points, big deal. Howard grabbed 10 more rebounds.
You really are the worst poster ever. Who cares if Howard couldnt guard Bosh one time. In the first game between the 2, heres Boshs stat line:
26pts(6-15), 14-14 FT
Freethrow line saved his total points, he struggled. Ever think maybe he got hot against the Magic? Sometimes players who you would never expect go off for big scorin games.
Amare Stoudamire outplayed Garnett the other night
Does this make Stoudamire better then Garnett?
Stop wastin my time, you thought you had this argument. I told you already you cant f*ck with me and your no where near my level, do you ever admit to losing? **** outta here pancakes, go back to college.
lol @ pancakes signin off because he knows he lost. His post was pre planned, he waitin for either me or metro to say somethin comparin Dwight and KG. He probally added those articles to his favorites, hopin to land himself his first victory. Dont take it personal, when it comes to business the Mac 10 is always fully loaded. I know several other ways I couldve shut you down, but im not gonna waste my time. **** outta here
KG is the best, basically because of his body of work. Plus KG is a better defender then Howard. Howard can block shots but KG can guard all 5 positions on the court, and thats just unheard of.
I said this on the game thread, but in 3 years the best young big man in my opinion is going to be Al Jefferson. He's got the most polished offensive game out of all young guys you listed.
KG is still the best, i dont think this can be debated unless you throw Tim Duncan into the argument.
Defensivly is where the opinions come in, I respect others opinions on this topic. I think good arguments can be made for both Dwight and KG. Get REalistic just dropped a one line argument that beats any argument from pancakes, KGs versatility/ability to guard multiple positions. I think KG is overrated here, sayin he can guard 1 to 5, but at the same time he can do a much better job of trying to guard point guards and shooting guards then any of the other candidates.
I do think when guards break down the defense and look to attack the hoop, Howard is a better intimidator then KG. Rebounding is also part of defense, Howard is a better rebounder then KG. I dont think theres any facts here, its all opinion.
Marbury = best player on Knicks
Chris Paul>>>Deron Williams
EC House Special = worst poster
Arguing about whos the best out of these 3: Kobe, Lebron, and Chris Paul.
Yeah it is a big deal bro, the game between Toronto and Orlando was a blowout game from start to finish and if you look closely most of Howard's numbers were put up in the latter stages of the third quarter and the fourth during extensive garbage time as the Magic weakly attempted a comeback. Here are Van Gundy's thoughts about that...
ďThose kinds of runs happen all the time in the NBA,Ē he said. ďAll (Mitchell) did was put Calderon and Bosh back in and game over.Ē
Again let go of your stats pointing out the blocked shots, if his 'slump' was just ten days there is no way Stan Van Gundy would rip his superstar player like that. Only terrible coaches like Isiah Thomas do that a la what he did to Steph after the first 5 games of the season. It's not a 'slump' Howard is inconsistent defensively and his coach called him out on it.
Furthermore our debate was about Kevin Garnett and Dwight Howard as defensive players because somehow you think that Howard is in the same class defensively as KG.
lol @ you actin like i only rely on stats, like I mentioned before guards are more hesitant to take it at Howard then KG, im not sayin they dont hesitate when KG is down low but Howards a better shot blocker.
MAgic finished January winning 5 out of 6
Howard had 21 blocks in the 6 games (3.5bpg)
Other then Howards blocks, his points and rebounds are similar to his season averages, as I said the slump was from Feb. 1 to Feb. 11, dont question me.
Howard is not inconsistent on defense, he had a 10 day slump, which according to you makes Stan Van Gundy a bad coach.
Kevin Garnett is a greater team defender then Howard
Howard is a better intimidator
(Rebounding and blocking shots are part of defense)
Its very close, it can go either way; Keep tryin, someday you'll get that 1st win. Why dont you check on these things first? Stats are very important in observations, as well as what is observed by watching. Im lethal with both, your another victim of the Mac 10. Im the stat King but I bring more then just stats, stop frontin.
Find a new forum to join, **** outta here
More quotes from Coach Van Gundy
"His focus is on the offensive end," Van Gundy said. "He gets discouraged when he doesn't get the ball. I think the numbers prove that what we need him to focus on to win is defensive rebounding, but that's not what he wants to do right now and we've got a little bit of a conflict."
'When you're a great player and a franchise guy, there's more on you. He's got to accept it,' Van Gundy said Tuesday after the club's practice. 'He may not like it. He may not like the way I did it. But I've also done it before many times in private --- just he and I. I didn't think it was making an impact, so now it's out there for everybody. We'll see what happens.'
'I think Dwight wants to be a great player. I think Dwight wants to be a winner. But we're in Year 4 and he hasn't won a playoff game.'
Something tells me if Stan Van Gundy was coaching KG he wouldn't be calling him out like this.
Again this is another example of how you just can't trust numbers, it is considered that Kevin Garnett is having the best defensive year of his career but if you look his rebounding and block shot numbers are down from years past.
Where Howard has the edge on KG is on the offensive end where he is a more dominant force now, at this early stage of his career, then Garnett ever was.