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    I am really disappointed in Donnie Walsh. He had an opportunity to sign Patrick Ewing(a defensive minded player and defensive minded coach) and he gets Mike D'Antoni. He also had an opportunity to get Mark Jackson(a former Knick that was a good leader in the NBA-especially with the Pacers). Supposily, Donnie Walsh wanted to improve our cap situation, and he said that he wants the team to get under the cap by 2010. Signing a coach to a 4 year 24 million dollar deal doesn't seem like you're trying to save money to me. The Knicks could've probably got Patrick Ewing for a two year 10 million dollar contract. The same with Mark Jackson. I didn't trust Walsh when he first came to New York, and this move further makes me lose trust. How you sign an offensive minded coach, when your team's #1 weakness is defense is beyond me. D'Antoni is a great coach, but not for the Knicks.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    NO...NO...NO!!! This is awful. We can all forget about the Knicks ever winning a championship now. D'antoni is a great coach, but this is just a terrible match. I'm starting to wonder how good a GM Walsh is now. The Knicks greatest defenciency was defense. And now we bring in a coach that doesn't teach defense at all.

    The players we have now do not fit into D'antoni's system. And even if Walsh is somehow able to clean house (almost impossible) and get players that will fit D'antoni's system, I still believe a run-and-gun style will never beat a defensive/low-post offensive style in the playoffs.

    Yeah, eventually the Knicks maybe an exciting offensive team and have a good regular season record, but they will never be able to win a championship. Isn't that why we are all here and what this is all about? Eventually bringing a championship to New York?

    Come on people, don't let your love for the Knicks and desperation to have a competitive team cloud your judgement. Remember all the people saying the Marbury/Francis comdo would be the best backcourt in the NBA? Remember all the people saying the Randolph/Curry combo would be one of the best frontcourts in the NBA? This is the same thing.

    D'antoni came here strictly for the money. I think the word is out. Dolan is an easy man to rob.
    Yes we all want a championship, but we have to snap back to reality and realize we ain't winning one in the next 3-4 years. Even with Thibodeau. And I'm sure almsot everyone here will agree that the Suns should have won at least one championship, if not only for some unfortunate and uncontrollable incidents. We haven't even made the playoffs yet. Let's think about the championship realistically after that. I don't know how Walsh is gonna do it, but we need to make some important roster movements right away. Like I said previously, with D'Antoni, we have a 50% chance of either having another Larry Brown season or a promising season with no less than 34 wins, and start of something good long-term.

    I'll be looking forward this offseason ESPECIALLY to the draft. Oh and regarding out current roster, I don't think Q should be as hyped as being a great fit for D'Antoni having already played for him. Q doesn't have the legs anymore. I'd rather give much much more minutes to Chandler or Balkman. And if given a choice, though I'd rather we get rid of both, I would rather retain Curry than Randolph. Randolph would be a bum in D'Antoni's style.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    I am really disappointed in Donnie Walsh. He had an opportunity to sign Patrick Ewing(a defensive minded player and defensive minded coach) and he gets Mike D'Antoni. He also had an opportunity to get Mark Jackson(a former Knick that was a good leader in the NBA-especially with the Pacers). Supposily, Donnie Walsh wanted to improve our cap situation, and he said that he wants the team to get under the cap by 2010. Signing a coach to a 4 year 24 million dollar deal doesn't seem like you're trying to save money to me. The Knicks could've probably got Patrick Ewing for a two year 10 million dollar contract. The same with Mark Jackson. I didn't trust Walsh when he first came to New York, and this move further makes me lose trust. How you sign an offensive minded coach, when your team's #1 weakness is defense is beyond me. D'Antoni is a great coach, but not for the Knicks.
    For some reason i thought you would like the move. Im unsure about it, it depends on what else happens but i respect all opinions here, theres good arguements for liking/disliking this move. They couldve got mark jackson for much cheaper. I still want to see patrick comeback, its f*cked up that hes been ignored after everything he put in for us. I aslo wouldnt mind seeing mark jackson brought in as an assistant but i dont expect this, ewing is probably more likely. I cant say im confident about ewing chances either, unfortunatly.

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    Alot of people including myself are lookin at how other offense first teams have done. They all get beat in the 2nd or 3rd round year after year. The Craptors got sonned by the magic and the suns got sonned by the spurs year after year. I look at the craptors as a poor mans version of the suns, with even less defense. At least the suns had marion, bell, and kurt thomas (last year) who all played good defense for them. They definitly missed kurt thomas and marion in the playoffs this year, no question about that.

    (off topic) damn that puzzy boy rondo is gettin owned by lebron, king james has 2 nasty rejections on that lil f@g homo f*ck rondo.

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    Originally Posted by abcd
    I am really disappointed in Donnie Walsh. He had an opportunity to sign Patrick Ewing(a defensive minded player and defensive minded coach) and he gets Mike D'Antoni. He also had an opportunity to get Mark Jackson(a former Knick that was a good leader in the NBA-especially with the Pacers).
    what has patrick ewing done that proves he a defensive minded coach????and when have u seen a former player who's a center being a head coach in the NBA??PGs turn out to be the best coaches cuz they're floor generals

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    Patrick Ewing was the assistant coach of the Rockets and Magic. Dwight Howard is one of the best defensive big men in the NBA, and Yao Ming is a good shot blocker, too, as well as an excellent jump shooter. Yes, Ewing is a defensive minded coach, and those are the facts that prove it. Ewing is also the all time Knick leader in blocks and steals, in case you were wondering.

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    Originally Posted by lanceroy
    Yes we all want a championship, but we have to snap back to reality and realize we ain't winning one in the next 3-4 years. Even with Thibodeau. And I'm sure almsot everyone here will agree that the Suns should have won at least one championship, if not only for some unfortunate and uncontrollable incidents. We haven't even made the playoffs yet. Let's think about the championship realistically after that. I don't know how Walsh is gonna do it, but we need to make some important roster movements right away. Like I said previously, with D'Antoni, we have a 50% chance of either having another Larry Brown season or a promising season with no less than 34 wins, and start of something good long-term.

    I'll be looking forward this offseason ESPECIALLY to the draft. Oh and regarding out current roster, I don't think Q should be as hyped as being a great fit for D'Antoni having already played for him. Q doesn't have the legs anymore. I'd rather give much much more minutes to Chandler or Balkman. And if given a choice, though I'd rather we get rid of both, I would rather retain Curry than Randolph. Randolph would be a bum in D'Antoni's style.
    But if we had Tom Thibodeau we would start getting players that fit his defensive system. Now we will be getting players that fit D'antoni's system. Which means we will have to eventually rebuild again (see what the Suns are doing now) when D'antoni is fired after 3 years.

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    I guess the only bright side to this is if we can somehow draft Ricky Rubio next year. He would do really well in D'antoni's system.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    But if we had Tom Thibodeau we would start getting players that fit his defensive system. Now we will be getting players that fit D'antoni's system. Which means we will have to eventually rebuild again (see what the Suns are doing now) when D'antoni is fired after 3 years.
    It was really the acquisition of Shaq that destroyed the suns, and lettin kurt thomas go. Why wasnt D'antoni playin skinner or any of the young guys? Thats where i thought he made mistakes, phoenix didnt seem deep enough to beat the spurs and thats why i picked san antonio. They got diaw, barbosa, and giricek. brain skinner whos a very physical defender played 4 of the 5 games against the spurs and only averaged 5.3 minutes off the bench. Marion was a versatile defender who guarded multiple positions for them, and D'antoni liked the trade. Steve Kerr has to take blame as well, most of the blame probably goes to him.

    Kerr said himself:

    im an idiot if this does not work

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    The reason the Knicks need a defensive minded coach, or at least a coach who understands defense wins championship is because, the knicks as disfunctional as they are on any given night can put up 100 points. But then again they'll give up 120.

    Going under the assumption that GM's will just take Zach, Eddy, Q, The 2 JJ's is ridiculous. these guys have big controcts and long contracts, its just foolish. so D'antoni comes here with his style and he has no one on the team who can play this style.. great job Donnie

    Now I will accept the arguement that Pat Riley came to the Knicks from Showtime and made the Knicks a great defensive team, so yea it can be done. But you have to remember than those Laker teams weren't crappy defenders, AND they knew how to play the half court game as well as the up-tempo game. Something the Suns never showed under d'antoni.

    ya know what....FCK THE D'ANTONI Signing

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    Originally Posted by datruth
    what has patrick ewing done that proves he a defensive minded coach????and when have u seen a former player who's a center being a head coach in the NBA??PGs turn out to be the best coaches cuz they're floor generals
    Are you kidding me? Besides Lenny Wilkens, and Larry Brown, all the Leading Head Coaches are Forwards ..JErry SLoan, Pat Riley, Rudy T. Don Nelson, Gregg Poppovich(plyed in college), and of course Phil Jackson.

    This point guard as head coach bullcrap is a friggin Fad.. they all have brief success but none have won championships with the exception of two I stated.

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    Originally Posted by LJ4ptplay
    NO...NO...NO!!! This is awful. We can all forget about the Knicks ever winning a championship now. D'antoni is a great coach, but this is just a terrible match. I'm starting to wonder how good a GM Walsh is now. The Knicks greatest defenciency was defense. And now we bring in a coach that doesn't teach defense at all.

    The players we have now do not fit into D'antoni's system. And even if Walsh is somehow able to clean house (almost impossible) and get players that will fit D'antoni's system, I still believe a run-and-gun style will never beat a defensive/low-post offensive style in the playoffs.

    Yeah, eventually the Knicks maybe an exciting offensive team and have a good regular season record, but they will never be able to win a championship. Isn't that why we are all here and what this is all about? Eventually bringing a championship to New York?

    Come on people, don't let your love for the Knicks and desperation to have a competitive team cloud your judgement. Remember all the people saying the Marbury/Francis comdo would be the best backcourt in the NBA? Remember all the people saying the Randolph/Curry combo would be one of the best frontcourts in the NBA? This is the same thing.

    D'antoni came here strictly for the money. I think the word is out. Dolan is an easy man to rob.
    I feel your pain, but look on the bright side. I would have preferred it to be Tony T. but at least it's not Mark Jackson. So much for the front runner bull**** that every paper reported.

    To me Eddie Curry is the odd man out. Randolph can fit in to D'Antoni's system. There are many line up options to choose from but we need to make trades. Right now if Curry isn't immediately traded, I'd bench him and start Jeffries in his place. Jeffries (6'11) will at least play defense and run the floor.

    One of the top priorities after the draft should be trading Curry, Richardson

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    Are you guys high?

    Stop talking about a championship.

    D'Antoni got guys like Barbosa and Diaw to play to their full potential who were considered bust before D'Antoni's arrival.

    D'Antoni never won a chip in Phoneix, but he was as close as it gets to getting to the Finals. Thats good enough considering its been a decade since we've seen the orange and blue in the Finals.

    LJ4PT...you probably envisioned Knicks winning a championship with Isiah holding the trophy, always staying a true Isiahsexual. Stop hating on D'Antoni., the guy can coach a strong basketball team.

    Running a fastest tempo offense in the world, you won't have a good defense because you're giving the other team more shot opportunities.

    You would repeat the depression of Isiah-basketball for the Knicks or start a new era of playoff appearances 50+ win seasons?

    If you're not satisfied with the Knicks making the playoffs every season and can't consider that an accomplishment, then just stop being a fan. D'Antoni was brought here to turn things around, change the culture in the Garden. I trust that he will do that, and prove a lot of his doubters wrong.

    Its not like we're loaded with skilled defenders, so stop crying for a defensive guru. We'll eventually nab a defensive assistant coach.

    The goal now is

    Trade Crawford, Randolph, and Curry. These guys kill ball movement and isolate too much.

    Build through the draft.

    Get a big and a PG in this draft, this draft is loaded with PG's and Big Men.

    Acquire shooters in the free agency.



    Everything is looking good right...I'm loving the good news finally. Finally we could move on from the crime Isiah got terminated for, looking forward to a brighter future for the Knicks.

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    First off, I just want to say I'm a first time poster, I've been looking for a good Knicks message board for months. And after reading this board for a few weeks I think I found one.

    Second I dont like this signing one bit. We need a defensive minded coach, not a run and gun coach. I know he's a good coach, I just dont like the run and gun in NY.

    I dont like the signing at all.....

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    When was the last time we've had run and gun in New York?

    We had Larry Brown, he's a defensive guru; how did that work out?

    This team isn't BUILT for a defensive coach. You need to sign and trade for the right players to have a good defensive team. Defense is individual effort.

    Offense takes a lot more and is harder to teach. D'Antoni is a master to making one dimensional players like Raja Bell a 15 ppg scorer.

    This is a great move in every sense.

    We're rebuilding, we're going to draft lottery picks. What BETTER system for these lottery pick/future franchise Knicks to play in than D'Antoni.

    D'Antoni's system also attracts free agents, which means we don't have to overpay moronically like Isiah.

    You guys need to use logic and think this over before you give you personal opinion. Personally I wanted Mark Jackson here, but I understand this move and it was a genius move by Walsh. We got D'Antoni for cheap and stole him from our rival, the Bulls.

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